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p.3 #1Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Ive just given these jpegs my usual treatment for when I print on silver halide at 30x20 inches and 30x45 inches. A couple of these files are just plain delicious!! And they arent even raws.... damn...
Nov 06, 2015 at 12:16 AM
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p.3 #2Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Sony RX1R II sample images at dc.watch:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151106_729006.html


Find the hikers in the bottom landscape shot.
Nov 06, 2015 at 12:47 AM
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p.3 #3Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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serhan_ wroteSony RX1R II sample images at dc.watch:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151106_729006.html
I love the cookies at 100%.



In particular, I love how sharp everything is, corner to corner.

Nov 06, 2015 at 12:49 AM
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p.3 #4Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
RX1R II... Drool. I want one.
Nov 06, 2015 at 02:58 AM
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p.3 #5Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
MTF's from the Sony Japan website. Left one is at f2

http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_RX1RM2_ZEISS_MTF.jpg
Nov 06, 2015 at 03:32 AM
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p.3 #6Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
I'll be completely honest, when I first heard of this camera, a little part of me was disappointed. Maybe it was the fact that we were anticipating a RX2 with a curved sensor or a 35 F/1.8 lens. Maybe it was that after a what.. 3 year wait, it didn't appear to change all that much.

But then after further review, it did change. The a7rII sensor, which is rated as the best. The improved AF (hopefully in use its that much better). The pop up viewfinder, which I don't mind since lately I'm composing images 50/50 EVF vs LCD screen on my a7rII. The wifi for quick sharing. I'm not a video guy, doing nothing more than a quick short 15-30 second clips of my kids, so the 4K in the a7rII vs the non 4K probably doesn't matter much to me. Also having kids th lack of ibis isn't a big difference maker to me either since I don't shoot manual glass nor do I really shoot slower than 1/80 or so to minimize motion blur from my very active daughter.

I'm contemplating selling my a7rII and 3 native FE lenses and getting this instead. Lately I've been using my 55 1.8 only and only use my 24-70 f/4 for my most recent portrait session and for day trip snaps. And my 28 f/2 hasn't been used more than 7 times since I've bought it. So the drawback to a 35 fixed could be that flexibility. But to me having a compact camera may be that much better. Freeing up space and keeping it simple might be worth it.

I have two kids, 2.5 and 4 months. Carrying a bag of camera gear isn't easy. And while I love the a7rII there are a few things about it. I'm a traditional dslr user so ergonomically it's a compromise. I love having my hands fit around comfortably from top to bottom on a dslr grip, the a7 is too short for me to get that grip. Also while I don't shoot large lenses now, in the future I would like to shoot some longer telephoto lenses. Finally the a7rII requires me to carry around a bag, no matter how small and light the camera is, the body + 3 lenses will require a bag.

I'm going to contemplate this weekend getting rid of my a7rII and lenses and just getting the Mark II of this. I would imagine that the IQ will be better than the RX1 and the sensor be as good as the a7rII. I would imagine that the AF in low light will be as good as the a7rII, so a complaint about the original should be resolved. Th tilt screen is a nice addition.

If I do decide to do this, I would need to remain committed to this as my only camera. Later on I would most likely add a DSLR to the fold since I miss the L glass, maybe a 5d4? But for now size trumps all for me at this point in my life while in a few years with older kids, speed might win out.

Someone tell me I'm crazy?
Nov 06, 2015 at 04:01 AM
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p.3 #7Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
You're not crazy. Honestly if I wasn't in love with my WATE and wide-angle shots I would sell my A7ii too.

Just make sure the 32mm FOV is right for you. Also make sure you won't miss shooting 4K video of your kids. But you could always buy a point-and-shoot to compliment the RX1 (ie RX100 series)
Nov 06, 2015 at 04:23 AM
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p.3 #8Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Can you live with just one 35mm lens (on the rx1rii)? If that is true and you like it very small and simple, it might be worth contemplating. You know best what works for you, I know that it wouldn't work for me (even though I use the 35mm FL quite a lot).

How about replacing the 24-70 and 28 2 with a version 1 rx1r or may be even a rx100m4 (assuming you don't mind the smaller sensor) to have some more flexibility? That way you can still use L glass with your a7rii, without having to buy another body.
Nov 06, 2015 at 04:23 AM
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p.3 #9Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
dandrewk wrote:
Am I correct in saying that focus stacking absolutely requires a tripod?


Not absolutely, depending on how steady you are and how quickly you could get the shots off, but it would certainly help. You don't have to focus stack using an app you can do it by hand if you want to.

On the subject of getting shots off quickly, has anyone used the Bracket Pro Playmemories app? Apparently it supports focus bracketing with three shots (which ought to be enough to replicate forward tilt with a TS lens). However I don't know how useful it is in practice e.g. whether it allows you to choose how far apart the focus points are.
Nov 06, 2015 at 04:27 AM
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p.3 #10Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
TMaG82 wrote:
I'll be completely honest, when I first heard of this camera, a little part of me was disappointed. Maybe it was the fact that we were anticipating a RX2 with a curved sensor or a 35 F/1.8 lens. Maybe it was that after a what.. 3 year wait, it didn't appear to change all that much.

But then after further review, it did change. The a7rII sensor, which is rated as the best. The improved AF (hopefully in use its that much better). The pop up viewfinder, which I don't mind since lately I'm composing images 50/50 EVF vs LCD
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No crazier than I apparently. . I posted the same question on DPR and received many useful responses that gave me lots of food for thought:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3917613

The RX1 series is allowing many photographers, from occasional users to professionals, to consider doing what we are considering. I am leaning to making the choice of a single camera/single lens, and have pre-ordered the Rx1rII. But I'm keeping my A7rII and a few lenses, at least for awhile.
Nov 06, 2015 at 04:35 AM
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p.3 #11Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Sound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
Nov 06, 2015 at 06:16 AM
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p.3 #12Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
dgdg wrote:
Sound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.


There is no native (FE or Zeiss) 35mm lens that can match the overall IQ of the 35mm Sonnar on the RX1. The camera is also smaller and lighter than a FE 35/1.4. So it makes sense to designate this camera as your 35mm lens because it also doubles as a backup camera to your A7 system. It's always easier to switch cameras than it is to switch lenses.

And some people prefer shooting with one lens. If you prefer the 35mm FOV and shoot 80% of your shots with a 35mm (like I do) you just can't beat the RX1 series. When you consider how tiny it is, it becomes a very powerful tool for any photographer.
Nov 06, 2015 at 06:55 AM
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p.3 #13Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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dgdg wroteSound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
There is no native (FE or Zeiss) 35mm lens that can match the overall IQ of the 35mm Sonnar on the RX1. The camera is also smaller and lighter than a FE 35/1.4. So it makes sense to designate this camera as your 35mm lens because it also doubles as a backup camera to your A7 system. It's always easier to switch cameras than it is to switch lenses.

And some people prefer shooting with one lens. If you prefer the 35mm FOV and shoot 80% of your shots with a 35mm (like I do) you just can't beat the RX1
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I would be more tempted if it had image stabilization. For a high percentage of my shooting the IS would tilt the advantage to an a7rII with the 35 2.8 over the optically superior Sonnar on the RX.
Nov 06, 2015 at 07:07 AM
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p.3 #14Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Cometsoft wrote:
I would be more tempted if it had image stabilization. For a high percentage of my shooting the IS would tilt the advantage to an a7rII with the 35 2.8 over the optically superior Sonnar on the RX.


IBIS would make the camera significantly larger (think A7 to A7ii, maybe more) and degrade the IQ, which would make the camera less appealing. The concept is about getting the best possible IQ in the smallest possible package.
Nov 06, 2015 at 07:13 AM
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p.3 #15Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Cometsoft wroteI would be more tempted if it had image stabilization. For a high percentage of my shooting the IS would tilt the advantage to an a7rII with the 35 2.8 over the optically superior Sonnar on the RX.
IBIS would make the camera significantly larger (think A7 to A7ii, maybe more) and degrade the IQ, which would make the camera less appealing. The concept is about getting the best possible IQ in the smallest possible package.


I understand there is a tradeoff when cutting size and weight and do get the appeal of the RXs. It's a very attractive camera.

That aside, am curious as to why IBIS would degrade IQ?
Nov 06, 2015 at 07:25 AM
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p.3 #16Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
IBIS shifts the sensor along one axis to counter movement in the opposite axis so there will always be varying degrees of IQ degradation.
Nov 06, 2015 at 07:45 AM
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p.3 #17Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Zony_user wrote:
IBIS shifts the sensor along one axis to counter movement in the opposite axis so there will always be varying degrees of IQ degradation.


But if it's not required you can turn it off. I don't see how having it as an option can considered a detriment to image quality.
Nov 06, 2015 at 07:56 AM
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p.3 #18Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Cometsoft wrote:
But if it's not required you can turn it off. I don't see how having it as an option can considered a detriment to image quality.


You're right, and that probably holds true for most cameras.

As for the RX1 series, the lens and sensor is calibrated and adjusted to micro tolerances at the factory. That is one of the main reasons this camera is able to produce the spectacular images. So an attempt to adapt IBIS into this camera would be a compromise in IQ (even if you turn it off) more than any other camera because I doubt Sony would be able to maintain the same level of tolerance with a shifting sensor.
Nov 06, 2015 at 08:14 AM
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p.3 #19Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
dgdg wrote:
Sound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.


The main "feature" is the size of the package that is possible with a fixed lens approach. Simply put you cannot get higher IQ in any camera ever made that is the same size or smaller.

The lens is actually much larger than it looks and protrudes deep into the camera body with the rear element on a few millimeters above the sensor (which is itself much further back than on something like an A7, look where the sensor position mark is on the RX1). This allows for a high quality optical design in a small overall package.

Having a fixed lens makes makes it easy and economical to add a leaf shutter which is another unique feature.

The other side of the coin is that only having one lens is seen as an advantage, to some. It forces you to be more creative, it eliminates the time spent changing lenses or thinking about changing lenses etc.



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Nov 06, 2015 at 08:40 AM
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p.3 #20Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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TMaG82 wroteI'll be completely honest, when I first heard of this camera, a little part of me was disappointed. Maybe it was the fact that we were anticipating a RX2 with a curved sensor or a 35 F/1.8 lens. Maybe it was that after a what.. 3 year wait, it didn't appear to change all that much.

But then after further review, it did change. The a7rII sensor, which is rated as the best. The improved AF (hopefully in use its that much better). The pop up viewfinder, which I don't mind since lately I'm composing images 50/50 EVF vs LCD screen on my a7rII. The wifi for quick sharing. I'm not a video guy, doing nothing more than a quick short 15-30 second clips of my kids, so the 4K in the a7rII vs the non 4K probably doesn't matter much to me. Also having kids th lack of ibis isn't a big difference maker to me either since I don't shoot manual glass nor do I really shoot slower than 1/80 or so to minimize motion blur from my very active daughter.

I'm contemplating selling my a7rII and 3 native FE lenses and getting this instead. Lately I've been using my 55 1.8 only and only use my 24-70 f/4 for my most recent portrait session and for day trip snaps. And my 28 f/2 hasn't been used more than 7 times since I've bought it. So the drawback to a 35 fixed could be that flexibility. But to me having a compact camera may be that much better. Freeing up space and keeping it simple might be worth it.

I have two kids, 2.5 and 4 months. Carrying a bag of camera gear isn't easy. And while I love the a7rII there are a few things about it. I'm a traditional dslr user so ergonomically it's a compromise. I love having my hands fit around comfortably from top to bottom on a dslr grip, the a7 is too short for me to get that grip. Also while I don't shoot large lenses now, in the future I would like to shoot some longer telephoto lenses. Finally the a7rII requires me to carry around a bag, no matter how small and light the camera is, the body + 3 lenses will require a bag.

I'm going to contemplate this weekend getting rid of my a7rII and lenses and just getting the Mark II of this. I would imagine that the IQ will be better than the RX1 and the sensor be as good as the a7rII. I would imagine that the AF in low light will be as good as the a7rII, so a complaint about the original should be resolved. Th tilt screen is a nice addition.

If I do decide to do this, I would need to remain committed to this as my only camera. Later on I would most likely add a DSLR to the fold since I miss the L glass, maybe a 5d4? But for now size trumps all for me at this point in my life while in a few years with older kids, speed might win out.

Someone tell me I'm crazy?
No crazier than I apparently. . I posted the same question on DPR and received many useful responses that gave me lots of food for thought:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3917613

The RX1 series is allowing many photographers, from occasional users to professionals, to consider doing what we are considering. I am leaning to making the choice of a single camera/single lens, and have pre-ordered the Rx1rII. But I'm keeping my A7rII and a few lenses, at least for awhile.


I'm considering preordering the RX1RII just to keep my place in line (not sure if it'll be a hot item or readily available) and deciding from there.

I honestly take pictures to preserve memories of my family and only on occassion will print large or do anything for pay. But I do know that I prefer the FF look. What I may do in actuality is just wait for it and let others be guinea pigs and wait for a few reviews to pour in. The a7rII is doing well for me and I don't want to be without camera for the holidays. Last time I sold a camera before I got the one that I wanted in and it was a miserable few weeks just shooting with an iPhone. Since I don't have the 35 2.8, I'll just set my 24-70 on 35 this weekend and just shoot. If I'm happy with the results at least I know that I'll get even better results from the 35 f/2 as opposed to the f/4 on my 24-70.
Nov 06, 2015 at 09:56 AM
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