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p.1 #1Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I am in dilemma whether to go for Voigtlander Nokton Aspherical 35mm f/1.2 Lens II or Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron Aspherical Lens. They both cost around $1000. I’m not concerned about the size/weight or looks. Which one is sharper? Can someone compare in terms of sharpness and contrast.
This is for my Sony A7.
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This is for my Sony A7.
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Oct 16, 2015 at 02:46 PM
p.1 #2Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
Oct 16, 2015 at 02:52 PM
p.1 #3Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I have both. I still haven't done a comparison shootout... But I will state from experience that on a Leica digital M, at the same aperture values, the Ultron is a sharper lens across more of the frame. It's also already very sharp wide open with minimal spherical aberration. It also has very little distortion and seems to have a flatter plane of focus... For my needs, I reach for the Ultron over the Nokton all the time.
If you want to use this on Sony a7 series cameras... then the answer is more complex because the Ultron suffers a fair amount of image quality degradation at the edges of the frame compared to how it performs on a Leica camera, whereas the Nokton seems to be quite good across the frame on Sony. But centrally the Ultron will continue to be very sharp.
Oh, and if you're price sensitive, or just like to save a few hundred dollars on the Ultron black version, buy it from someplace other than North America. For example you can get it from Europe for about 550 Euro, which when I bought it, was about $625 US equivalent...
If you want to use this on Sony a7 series cameras... then the answer is more complex because the Ultron suffers a fair amount of image quality degradation at the edges of the frame compared to how it performs on a Leica camera, whereas the Nokton seems to be quite good across the frame on Sony. But centrally the Ultron will continue to be very sharp.
Oh, and if you're price sensitive, or just like to save a few hundred dollars on the Ultron black version, buy it from someplace other than North America. For example you can get it from Europe for about 550 Euro, which when I bought it, was about $625 US equivalent...
Oct 16, 2015 at 02:55 PM
p.1 #4Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
OK, I see you updated to say it's for Sony.... what do you intend to photograph most of the time? I'd definitely look at the samples posted by Phillip Reeve in the link above, and read his review on his website to get an idea of whether the Ultron will work for you. The Nokton on the Sony is probably less problematic, in respect to edge smearing, gives you about a stop more, but won't be quite as sharp centrally as the Ultron until stopped down a bit.
Oct 16, 2015 at 03:03 PM
p.1 #5Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I love the CV 35/1.2 II on my A7R - not too heavy and bulky, balances well with the camera and outstanding image quality. IMO also sharp wide open in the center.
Oct 16, 2015 at 03:16 PM
p.1 #6Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I am looking for an one stop solution for street photography, environment portraits, low light photography.
I follow phillip reeve very closely. Actually i came to know about Ultron from his blog(I have posted the same question in his blog). I am interested in Ultron mainly because of its compact look and sharpness. But i really don't want to spend $999 for something which is cheaper in other countries. Is there a reliable website from where i can buy Ultron(from Europe). I am in United States.
If CV 35/1.2 II(Nokton) can produce better quality images than Ultron with same price (obviously with added weight). I'll buy Nokton.
Currently i use Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 for low light shots(I bought that for $60 from ebay). I get good images in low light and it is compact as well.
Sample pic @F1.4
https://www.flickr.com/photos/125486644@N03/21599062633/
Will Ultron and Nokton produce better images(Sharpness) than my cheap Minolta 50mm 1.4?
I follow phillip reeve very closely. Actually i came to know about Ultron from his blog(I have posted the same question in his blog). I am interested in Ultron mainly because of its compact look and sharpness. But i really don't want to spend $999 for something which is cheaper in other countries. Is there a reliable website from where i can buy Ultron(from Europe). I am in United States.
If CV 35/1.2 II(Nokton) can produce better quality images than Ultron with same price (obviously with added weight). I'll buy Nokton.
Currently i use Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 for low light shots(I bought that for $60 from ebay). I get good images in low light and it is compact as well.
Sample pic @F1.4
https://www.flickr.com/photos/125486644@N03/21599062633/
Will Ultron and Nokton produce better images(Sharpness) than my cheap Minolta 50mm 1.4?
Oct 16, 2015 at 03:44 PM
p.1 #7Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
No contest here.
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
I would think the ultron would outperform the cheap 50, but cannot swear to it
Keep in mind the Native Sony 35/2.8 may still be the best 35 on A7.
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
I would think the ultron would outperform the cheap 50, but cannot swear to it
Keep in mind the Native Sony 35/2.8 may still be the best 35 on A7.
Oct 16, 2015 at 04:00 PM
p.1 #8Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
uhoh7 wrote:
No contest here.
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
Proof?
No contest here.
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
Proof?
Oct 17, 2015 at 10:06 AM
p.1 #9Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
retrofocus wrote:
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2Proof?
I have the CV 35/1.2 and I have seen Phillip's shots and review with the Ultron-M. Seems pretty obvious to me, though I very much enjoy, and rely upon the 35/1.2 for low light work.
On the A7.mod, the CV 35/1.2 is weaker on the edges than several other 35s I own. On the stock A7 it has been perhaps the best RF 35, but the ultron looks better to me.
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-ultron-11-7-35-mm-review/
Phillip, check your spelling of Voigtlander.
One of the better reviews I've seen lately.
But, I'm happy to be corrected if you can show the opposite, RF
uhoh7 wrote
No contest here.IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
I have the CV 35/1.2 and I have seen Phillip's shots and review with the Ultron-M. Seems pretty obvious to me, though I very much enjoy, and rely upon the 35/1.2 for low light work.
On the A7.mod, the CV 35/1.2 is weaker on the edges than several other 35s I own. On the stock A7 it has been perhaps the best RF 35, but the ultron looks better to me.
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-ultron-11-7-35-mm-review/
Phillip, check your spelling of Voigtlander.
One of the better reviews I've seen lately.But, I'm happy to be corrected if you can show the opposite, RF
Oct 17, 2015 at 02:36 PM
p.1 #10Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
uhoh7 wrote:
IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2Proof?I have the CV 35/1.2 and I have seen Phillip's shots and review with the Ultron-M. Seems pretty obvious to me, though I very much enjoy, and rely upon the 35/1.2 for low light work.
On the A7.mod, the CV 35/1.2 is weaker on the edges than several other 35s I own. On the stock A7 it has been perhaps the best RF 35, but the ultron looks better to me.
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-ultron-11-7-35-mm-review/
Phillip, check your spelling of Voigtlander. One of the better reviews I've seen lately.
But, I'm happy to be corrected if you can show the opposite, RF
Thanks for posting the link to the 35/1.7 review, I was unaware of this one. It seems to be a very feasible option on the A7 series, indeed. Would be nice to see this review in side-by-side with the CV 35/1.2 II. The corners with my 35/1.2 II are very good if stopped down.
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.
retrofocus wrote
uhoh7 wrote
No contest here.IF you get the latest Ultron-M, for sure it will outshoot the 35/1.2, except of course at 1.2
On the A7.mod, the CV 35/1.2 is weaker on the edges than several other 35s I own. On the stock A7 it has been perhaps the best RF 35, but the ultron looks better to me.
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-ultron-11-7-35-mm-review/
Phillip, check your spelling of Voigtlander.
One of the better reviews I've seen lately.But, I'm happy to be corrected if you can show the opposite, RF
Thanks for posting the link to the 35/1.7 review, I was unaware of this one. It seems to be a very feasible option on the A7 series, indeed. Would be nice to see this review in side-by-side with the CV 35/1.2 II. The corners with my 35/1.2 II are very good if stopped down.
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.
Oct 17, 2015 at 04:16 PM
p.1 #11Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
thiagarajan wrote:
Currently i use Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 for low light shots(I bought that for $60 from ebay). I get good images in low light and it is compact as well.
Sample pic @F1.4
https://www.flickr.com/photos/125486644@N03/21599062633/
The Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 certainly is an amazing lens for the price. Talk about bang for the buck!
Currently i use Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 for low light shots(I bought that for $60 from ebay). I get good images in low light and it is compact as well.
Sample pic @F1.4
https://www.flickr.com/photos/125486644@N03/21599062633/
The Minolta MD ROKKOR-X 50mm F/1.4 certainly is an amazing lens for the price. Talk about bang for the buck!
Oct 17, 2015 at 04:28 PM
p.1 #12Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
retrofocus wrote:
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"? I did find that his last name was originally "Vogtlander" without the "i".
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
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Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"? I did find that his last name was originally "Vogtlander" without the "i".
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
Edited on Oct 17, 2015 at 05:12 PM · View previous versions
Oct 17, 2015 at 04:59 PM
p.1 #13Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
Tariq Gibran wrote:
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"?
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
ae and ä is the same
retrofocus wrote
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
ae and ä is the same
Oct 17, 2015 at 05:07 PM
p.1 #14Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
retrofocus wrote:
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"?
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländerae and ä is the same
That's strange. So you have seen his name actually written "ae"?
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.html
Tariq Gibran wrote
retrofocus wrote
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
That's strange. So you have seen his name actually written "ae"?
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.html
Oct 17, 2015 at 05:27 PM
p.1 #15Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
Tariq Gibran wrote:
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"?
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländerae and ä is the sameThat's strange. So you have seen his name actually written "ae"?
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.html
By convention, the Umlaut ä is written on an English keyboard as "ae" because Umlaute simply don't exist there as keys (only if you go into the character map which is fairly cumbersome to do each time). BTW, I am also German, so I know what I am talking about. To sum ist up, Voigtländer and Voigtlaender are the same, but Voigtlander isn't fully correct.
retrofocus wrote
Tariq Gibran wrote
retrofocus wrote
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.html
By convention, the Umlaut ä is written on an English keyboard as "ae" because Umlaute simply don't exist there as keys (only if you go into the character map which is fairly cumbersome to do each time). BTW, I am also German, so I know what I am talking about
. To sum ist up, Voigtländer and Voigtlaender are the same, but Voigtlander isn't fully correct.Oct 17, 2015 at 05:34 PM
p.1 #16Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I stand corrected
My favortie bartender also seems to spell it "Voigtlander"
As do B&H, Amazon, and in fact I can find no example of this spelling on any major site, it's either mit umlaut oder kein
At least I'm not alone in ignorance
I fully retract my spelling observation, Phillip
But I still think the new ultron-M will outperform the CV 35/1.2, with or without the umlaut From 1.7, that is As Phillip notes in his great review the sony exaggerated FC is there but is mitigated with careful focus.
The necessity for highly critical focus is often confusing tests, and when I first saw the ultron M in a good landscape view, I though it was pretty awful compared to the FE 35/2.8, which that shooter compared it with. But he had focused dead on the center. You can't do this with non-native wide angles and expect the very best results.
I very often struggle with UWA focus on the A7.mod with the Mag which really does not resolve distant details that well in a long landscape through UWA. When you do hit it, results are very nice, but it's literal headache compared to my M9 where you just hit the infinity stop and pull the trigger, or back away for bigger DOF.
Edited on Oct 17, 2015 at 06:08 PM · View previous versions
My favortie bartender also seems to spell it "Voigtlander"
As do B&H, Amazon, and in fact I can find no example of this spelling on any major site, it's either mit umlaut oder kein
At least I'm not alone in ignorance
I fully retract my spelling observation, Phillip
But I still think the new ultron-M will outperform the CV 35/1.2, with or without the umlaut
From 1.7, that is As Phillip notes in his great review the sony exaggerated FC is there but is mitigated with careful focus. The necessity for highly critical focus is often confusing tests, and when I first saw the ultron M in a good landscape view, I though it was pretty awful compared to the FE 35/2.8, which that shooter compared it with. But he had focused dead on the center. You can't do this with non-native wide angles and expect the very best results.
I very often struggle with UWA focus on the A7.mod with the Mag which really does not resolve distant details that well in a long landscape through UWA. When you do hit it, results are very nice, but it's literal headache compared to my M9 where you just hit the infinity stop and pull the trigger, or back away for bigger DOF.
Edited on Oct 17, 2015 at 06:08 PM · View previous versions
Oct 17, 2015 at 05:46 PM
p.1 #17Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
retrofocus wrote:
So the founders name is spelled incorrectly - Johann Christoph Voigtländer? You have seen his name spelled "Voigtlaender"?
http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländerae and ä is the sameThat's strange. So you have seen his name actually written "ae"?
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.htmlBy convention, the Umlaut ä is written on an English keyboard as "ae" because Umlaute simply don't exist there as keys (only if you go into the character map which is fairly cumbersome to do each time). BTW, I am also German, so I know what I am talking about . To sum ist up, Voigtländer and Voigtlaender are the same, but Voigtlander isn't fully correct.
Thanks for the German lesson.
Tariq Gibran wrote
retrofocus wrote
Tariq Gibran wrote
retrofocus wrote
Voigtlaender is the correct German name of this brand with the ae Umlaut. Not sure why often in the English the "e" is omitted and it is made Voigtlander instead. Well, still better than naming the city Nuernberg in English Nuremberg.http://www.fabriquedimages.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_historie_e.html
Strange how above it is spelled with "ae" in the address but nowhere that his name actually shows up.
...and German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Voigtländer
I thought the german "ä" was just about pronunciation, but then I'm an idiot when it comes to language.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/basic-german-pronouncing-a-o-and-u.html
. To sum ist up, Voigtländer and Voigtlaender are the same, but Voigtlander isn't fully correct.Thanks for the German lesson.
Oct 17, 2015 at 05:56 PM
p.1 #18Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
I will quarrel with the 35 2.8 outperforming the Nokton. I really think it depends. Yhe Nokton is very good on the A7r/2 at short range from wide open. It is weaker at infinity compared to the Zony 35/2.8 at large apertures. However, once stopped down to F5.6 or F8, the Nokton is fully the equal of the native 35 at infinity. Thus, for low light portrait, Nokton is better/more flexible. For stopped down landscape they are equal. FE is much lighter and smaller and has advantage of autofocus. It is horses for courses kind of thing to me with both having strengths and weaknesses.
I have no idea about the 35/1.7.
I have no idea about the 35/1.7.
Oct 17, 2015 at 07:18 PM
p.1 #19Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
My impression from Phillip's review and other Sony user comments is that the Ultron needs around f/8 for distance scenes to be considered usable for across-frame sharpness, and that it may be necessary to front focus somewhat to offset the field curvature induced by un-modded sensors (or focus in a mid zone or edge area). In this respect the Nokton might be better. I can really only say from my experience with both on digital Leica, which seems to be quite different from Sony a7x.... On Leica the Nokton is not great for distant scenes and needs stopping down to bring up the edges, whereas the Ultron is very sharp already from fairly wide apertures. I find the Ultron to be quite consistent at all distances I've tried so far, near and far.
thiagarajan wrote:
I am looking for an one stop solution for street photography, environment portraits, low light photography.
I follow phillip reeve very closely. Actually i came to know about Ultron from his blog(I have posted the same question in his blog). I am interested in Ultron mainly because of its compact look and sharpness. But i really don't want to spend $999 for something which is cheaper in other countries. Is there a reliable website from where i can buy Ultron(from Europe). I am in United States.
If CV 35/1.2 II(Nokton) can produce better quality images than Ultron with same price (obviously with...Show more →
I bought it here. Free UPS worldwide expedited shipping (i.e. no additional brokerage fees). Received it three days later, IIRC. Pretty easy transaction though their checkout system appears to be handled by a 3rd party and there are a few extra steps you go through compared to, say B&H, etc.
One area where I feel the new Ultron does worse than the Nokton is the feel of the focusing ring. The Ultron's is very narrow. While it looks cool and retro, it's functionally less practical than either a tabbed focusing ring, or a wide one like that of the Nokton.
Regarding Voigtlander vs. Voigtländer, etc.... I think the general use of Voigtlander on English sites and forums is for pure simplicity. Sometimes the ä isn't rendered correctly and it's just a lot easier to type (FWIW, on Mac it is option-U then A) to get ä.
thiagarajan wrote:
I am looking for an one stop solution for street photography, environment portraits, low light photography.
I follow phillip reeve very closely. Actually i came to know about Ultron from his blog(I have posted the same question in his blog). I am interested in Ultron mainly because of its compact look and sharpness. But i really don't want to spend $999 for something which is cheaper in other countries. Is there a reliable website from where i can buy Ultron(from Europe). I am in United States.
If CV 35/1.2 II(Nokton) can produce better quality images than Ultron with same price (obviously with...Show more →
I bought it here. Free UPS worldwide expedited shipping (i.e. no additional brokerage fees). Received it three days later, IIRC. Pretty easy transaction though their checkout system appears to be handled by a 3rd party and there are a few extra steps you go through compared to, say B&H, etc.
One area where I feel the new Ultron does worse than the Nokton is the feel of the focusing ring. The Ultron's is very narrow. While it looks cool and retro, it's functionally less practical than either a tabbed focusing ring, or a wide one like that of the Nokton.
Regarding Voigtlander vs. Voigtländer, etc.... I think the general use of Voigtlander on English sites and forums is for pure simplicity. Sometimes the ä isn't rendered correctly and it's just a lot easier to type (FWIW, on Mac it is option-U then A) to get ä.
Oct 17, 2015 at 09:22 PM
p.1 #20Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f/1.2 Lens II Vs Voigtlander VM 35mm f/1.7 Ultron
35_1.2 @1.2 by unoh7, on Flickr
Nokton wide open. Stock A7.
DSC02299-3 by unoh7, on Flickr
I think this is F8
I would be shocked if the 35/2.8 was not the superior landscape lens. It's generally considered the best 35 period for that application on stock sensors.
Maybe Phillip will chime in here, as I thought the Ultron came in across the frame sooner than F/8.
Now my Nokton is the original. V2 came about simply because the glass price for the aspherical element in the V1 formula went through the roof. There is a common misconception that V2 is better. I've seen no evidence for that. Those with alot of experience say you can't tell any difference.
Now my own F/8 shot, which is not great at the edges, might be better with focused balanced toward the edge, as Phillip does very well.
My own daily 35 is the Biogon 35/2 in M mount, totally unusable on the normal A7 cameras, and which the Loxia is based upon but does not equal. The ZM 35/2 seems pretty decent on the Kolari A7.mod, here shot directly under the sun:
Into the fall Sun by unoh7, f/8
It's a beautiful thing to use such nice small (well by sony standards) M lens on the Sony, but i'd think the 35/2.8 might well beat it on a stock camera. But if you want to see edge issues on the Ultron or Nokton these are the distances you need to make them stand out and become obvious.
Even on the M9 this biogon utterly smokes the CV 35/1.2 on the edges.
Oct 17, 2015 at 11:19 PM