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taran wrote:
+1 I have the fotodiox, its extremely well built, good looking, and cheap.

You can always make a camera bigger with 3rd party accessories, but you can never make it smaller. In this regard, I kind of like the Sony zeitgeist... "just make the damn thing as small as possible".



And with the built-in EVF you can now get the Sony thumbrest. I'd also like to get a tiny flash for fill.



Oct 14, 2015 at 04:46 PM
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I loved the original RX1 but thought it was expensive for what it offered. And that was before Sony announced cameras with a similar sensor and interchangeable lenses.

With the price for this baby, which is undoubtedly another beauty, they're apparently starting to think like Leica.

Because I can't find another reason why this camera should be more expensive than the A7R II. I'm sure they would point to the included lens as a bonus, while in reality it's a weakness for all but those who only want this specific lens.


This line of thinking confuses me. Rx1r2 has all the tech you might need (except ibis, which is not so vital for 35mm) plus sort of the best lens around. So i can see why it's priced on par with A7r2. If you don't like the concept of fixed lens camera, you have choices and you should be happy with them. But i see to many people not appreciating Rx1 for what it is and trying to make something else of it - and when you put all of those suggestions together you end up with A7r2 or something like it. Leave rx1 alone! It was good for what it was and now it will be even better. And that's great. I too think it's expensive, as is A7r2, but it's not out of this world with its price.

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Oct 14, 2015 at 04:49 PM
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Taylor, I think your argument would make sense if the A7r II that was just friggin' announced had this feature. Holding it for this camera definitely feeds into the impression of Sony as an iteration-obsessed consumer electronics company.


But the A7RII features a variable AA filter affect, you just turn EFCS off and let the shutter do its thing



Oct 14, 2015 at 04:50 PM
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p.7 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


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The big question for original RX1 owners is... will Sony provide a software update for us when they launch the rII?


Yes, firmware 2.0 enables the 42 mpix and a VF. Sony makes you send in the flash though, so it's not all roses.




Oct 14, 2015 at 04:50 PM
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p.7 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


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Price is a weird discussion when it comes to photography. Not sure there ever is a real answer. Heck would you buy a 50k back. Maybe not but I bought 5 so it's a really a tough call. I do look at this as a single lens purchase of 3300 because that's what you get. Everyone has pocket book limits so hard to say for certainty if it's valued correctly. I just think given the value in the industry it should be around 2400-2700 but heck this thing might sell like hot cakes so that would be proven wrong at
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Exactly, everyone has totally different needs. I'm the opposite of you, I wouldn't buy this camera because 35 isn't my focal length, but I'd buy it a million years before I'd buy a medium format back.



Oct 14, 2015 at 04:51 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
Wow Dave really. Obviously we can't talk in general here but most people work for others and not themselves. They do call it small business. Apparently we can't talk freely here and speak in general terms and more importantly have a little fun. I'll remember this and become more a stick in the mud when I speak so not to upset the apple cart.

Btw I happen to like Sony and prime lenses and pretty much hate zooms always have. I'm not going to shoot anything I dislike. Would you


Good point. No I wouldn't shoot with what I don't enjoy. But from a cost perspective zooms seem to offer the most value. As much as I like the Sony I can't tell you how annoying it can be to operate at times. I never felt that with any Nikon I've ever shot with.



Oct 14, 2015 at 04:55 PM
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Curious if many interested in this camera have used the RX100 mk3/4 and its pop-up EVF ?

They are quite nice for what they are, but, far from enjoyable to use. Much smaller than the A7 series, especially the latest A7rII, which is quite nice.

To put it in OVF terms, its like looking through a APS-C entry level camera finder vs a good classic FF film camera.

This isn't to say a smaller EVF isn't useful. I make use of mine on the RX100 quite a bit, and its way better than nothing at all, but would I want to shoot all day like that ? No way.

Again, cool to have it, but would I really use it, and more so enjoy it enough, to want to sell my RX1 and upgrade ? I'm thinking no, because while it sounds great in theory, I can't help but think I'd have some buyers regret, especially at $3300.

Some of the others features also seem nice on paper, but for my real world usage, not sure I'd find them worth dropping another $2k or more.

AF speed for example. Yes the RX1 isn't super quick (but pretty accurate). I've often said I wish it had faster AF, but when I really think about how I shoot the camera, faster AF really wouldn't change my style of shooting with it.

I'm thrilled the A7rII has faster AF, and when I'm doing something with the 70-200 for example, such as kids running around, its great to have (though still not perfect mind you) Am I going to do anything like that with a 32ish mm RX1 lens ? Probably not.

I mainly use mine for travel and posed photos, when I don't want to take a bigger camera. So static landscapes, family members posed in front of stuff, etc. Certainly not how everyone shoots their I know, but is the current AF ever making me miss shots ? Honestly no

I've been on record saying how I'd surely buy an RX2 for years now, but its funny, since its finally came out, I'm really not reaching for the credit card.

I think part of this is that the A7rII is such a great camera and handles most of my photo needs quite well, allowing my current RX1 to serve as just that speciality travel type tool for when I don't want to carry anything else.

Could I do nice landcapes with a RX2 ? For sure, but wouldn't I prefer my A7rII and 16-35 ? Most likely.

So the RX2 would sort of be filing the same little niche as my current RX1, but at nearly 3 times the price, when I consider what I'd get selling the RX1 and then buying the new one.

Still cool tech tour de Force from Sony though, just as the first RX1 was.

Honestly still hard to believe the first RX1 packed as many features as it did, and now we have 42meg FF sensors in a body about the size of a larger P&S ? That is simply amazing how far things have come.



Oct 14, 2015 at 04:55 PM
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Sounds like a cool camera for street shooters. But that price — yikes!


Oct 14, 2015 at 04:55 PM
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p.7 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


Matt Grum wrote:
But the A7RII features a variable AA filter affect, you just turn EFCS off and let the shutter do its thing


Those of us with clunky shutter A7/A7r just slow down shutter speed to deal with moire. I call first world problems!




Oct 14, 2015 at 04:57 PM
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p.7 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


gdanmitchell wrote:
Sounds like a cool camera for street shooters. But that price — yikes!


The first RX1 was $2800 I believe, then everyone bought the add on EVF for $449 (and then hoped to not lose it)

Now we are paying $3300, so $500 more, for 42meg sensor, pop-up EVF, tilting LCD, etc.

Its probably the better overall value of the two cameras at retail pricing at least.




Oct 14, 2015 at 04:57 PM
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p.7 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


gdanmitchell wrote:
Sounds like a cool camera for street shooters. But that price — yikes!

What is the price of that dinosaur 5drs and new 35mm?



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:03 PM
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p.7 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


gdanmitchell wrote:
Sounds like a cool camera for street shooters. But that price — yikes!


it's not only a "cool" camera, this is the best camera out there and not only for street,
but travel, landscape and everything else. RX1R is my favorite camera ever.



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:12 PM
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millsart wrote:
Curious if many interested in this camera have used the RX100 mk3/4 and its pop-up EVF ?

They are quite nice for what they are, but, far from enjoyable to use. Much smaller than the A7 series, especially the latest A7rII, which is quite nice.

To put it in OVF terms, its like looking through a APS-C entry level camera finder vs a good classic FF film camera.

This isn't to say a smaller EVF isn't useful. I make use of mine on the RX100 quite a bit, and its way better than nothing at all, but would I want to shoot all
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Good points.

The biggest feature for me is the tiltscreen. I don't even need an EVF anymore, but now it's built in, essentially making the camera even smaller. No longer do I have to attach/detach the clumsy external EVF everytime I go out shooting.



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:17 PM
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p.7 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


Lee Saxon wrote:
Well yeah, but...those people wouldn't want this product. It's not for them.

The size, weight, and cost of a 300mm f/2.8 are also a weakness for people who only need 180mm.

What's your point?


I think I made my point. You just don't agree, and that's fine.



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:18 PM
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i am worried about the EVF and if its gonna end up being more of an afterthought or "hah thats nice" since it essentially has to be small and has no new tech to differentiate it from other EVFs. Price is not THAT far from a leica Q if youre gonna be splurging for a camera like this, but of course 35mm is preferable.

Hmmmmm wonder if the used market prices will be as wild as rx1, probably not. This is very cool to see, but i was hoping for a significant body upgrade with room for a better non-pop-up EVF



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:23 PM
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i am worried about the EVF and if its gonna end up being more of an afterthought or "hah thats nice" since it essentially has to be small and has no new tech to differentiate it from other EVFs. Price is not THAT far from a leica Q if youre gonna be splurging for a camera like this, but of course 35mm is preferable.

Hmmmmm wonder if the used market prices will be as wild as rx1, probably not. This is very cool to see, but i was hoping for a significant body upgrade with room for a better non-pop-up
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One thing to note about the EVF.

RX100 IV --- 0.59x magnification
A7/R/S --- 0.71x magnification
A7RII --- 0.78x magnification
RX1R II --- 0.74x magnification

Doesn't seem like a gimmick at all. In fact, with the pictured eyecup, it may be better than the gen1 A7's.



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:34 PM
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p.7 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


That would be very cool if its not just the RX100 EVF size, which was the original spec. I read.


Oct 14, 2015 at 05:38 PM
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awesome! this fixes all the problems i had with rx1 except the manual focus feel. i'll see if i can wear my rx1 out to justify replacing it...

johnvanr wrote:
I loved the original RX1 but thought it was expensive for what it offered. And that was before Sony announced cameras with a similar sensor and interchangeable lenses.

With the price for this baby, which is undoubtedly another beauty, they're apparently starting to think like Leica.

Because I can't find another reason why this camera should be more expensive than the A7R II. I'm sure they would point to the included lens as a bonus, while in reality it's a weakness for all but those who only want this specific lens.


that lens can't be cheap to manufacture, you think they should lower the price of the camera because it has a lens they could sell for nearly $2000 dollar lens attached to it?

Guy – instead of thinking of it as a camera you could think of it as a 35mm lens. it's smaller than the ZA 35/1.4 and better performing.

for anybody worried about the price, just wait a year.




Oct 14, 2015 at 05:39 PM
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p.7 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


If it was 2400 I would sell my 35 1.4 and throw in the extra money 1K or so. Problem is its a 2k difference and I still need some other glass but its very very tempting. I know that lens rocks

The added bonus is it is a backup. Ill wait some and see what is coming or not



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:41 PM
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p.7 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF


Zony_user wrote:
Thanks!!

I understand the sensor and lens is too close for IBIS, but that would have been so nice.


Basically you are getting a light/compact A7RII with a very high quality fixed 35/2 lens without 4k or IBIS.



Oct 14, 2015 at 05:44 PM
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