p.6 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
I'm in the minority I'm sure but I really miss the pop-up flash. It's quite handy for fill because of the fast sync speeds of the leaf shutter.
This is doubly useful for me as my Alpha bodies obviously don't have a flash.
I also have to say that while the rx100 popup evf is cool for what it is, I don't exactly enjoy using it, and it's miles from the experience of the a7rII. As such, not sure how much I'd use the evf honestly.
I think my current rx1, with its popup flash, and value of about 1\3rd the new one is the best value for me to stick with ...Show more →
You are not the only one. I mentioned the flash as well. I found it to be quite good for fill on a Sunny day.
p.6 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
You guys have real jobs outside photography . Totally disagree with you. Have no idea, I have to invest thousands of dollars to run a business . You walk into a job and get paid no investment output. Walk in my shoes my friend. These are investments to earn money. Most people never have to do that
If I were a pro I probably wouldn't own Sony and I wouldn't be screwing around with primes either unless they made a huge difference in my work. I wouldn't make assumptions about the type of risk people here take in their business ventures.
p.6 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
When I owned the original RX1 I always wished for faster AF and a tiltable LCD. They even built in the viewfinder now.
I see people mentioning the FE 35/1.4. I also own that lens and IMHO it's not a match for the 35/2 Sonnar. The Sonnar has a much smoother rendering and less field curvature. It's also tiny in comparison. I still think it's the best 35mm lens ever made.
This new RX1R II is a truly stunning camera.
p.6 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Trust me I never feel sorry for myself. I'm very lucky to be in business this long . Most have disappeared in the industry when I got in. I'm very talented and have great clients. But as a business owner you have to deal with ROI and this is on the edge as a money making tool. Love to have it but luxury items in regards to cameras I avoid now days. I have a wife with 3 cancers so my priority are far different . I rather take trips with my family.
Now I will not respond further. It's pointless
ryankarr wrote:
You're making a lot of assumptions about other peoples income and the sacrifices they make for that income. Lots of people own their own businesses, many with significantly higher overhead and entry costs than photography. I don't want to derail the thread, but you might want to stop feeling sorry for yourself over your chosen profession.
p.6 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
davewolfs wrote:
If I were a pro I probably wouldn't own Sony and I wouldn't be screwing around with primes either unless they made a huge difference in my work. I wouldn't make assumptions about the type of risk people here take in their business ventures.
Wow Dave really. Obviously we can't talk in general here but most people work for others and not themselves. They do call it small business. Apparently we can't talk freely here and speak in general terms and more importantly have a little fun. I'll remember this and become more a stick in the mud when I speak so not to upset the apple cart.
Btw I happen to like Sony and prime lenses and pretty much hate zooms always have. I'm not going to shoot anything I dislike. Would you
p.6 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I loved the original RX1 but thought it was expensive for what it offered. And that was before Sony announced cameras with a similar sensor and interchangeable lenses.
With the price for this baby, which is undoubtedly another beauty, they're apparently starting to think like Leica.
Because I can't find another reason why this camera should be more expensive than the A7R II. I'm sure they would point to the included lens as a bonus, while in reality it's a weakness for all but those who only want this specific lens.
p.6 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Very nice. Now just one more thing to fix and it will be excellent. RX1R III... now with an actual grip. Such a big price increase and they couldn't even spare a little extra metal and plastic to add a more ergonomic grip. I would love to own one. I actually had the original for a short time, but the lack of grip made it feel like it was going to slip out of my hand and end up being expensive parts on some rock. Still, overall, a decent upgrade.
p.6 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
Yea as a Pro it's kind of hard to justify without interchangeable lenses and becomes a one horse pony. Not saying I don't want , I do but I could buy a second A7rII for the same money. Now for travel and the hobbyist that wants small this is awesome. Like I said 2400 I could sneak that in the bag.
Yeah, but whether it's a good investment given its usefulness isn't the same as whether it's fairly priced given what's involved. The Otus are a great example. All that exotic glass, perhaps the price is fair. But I sure as hell ain't buying one.
p.6 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I can understand this baby not having IBIS which I assume would make the body quite a bit larger and heavier but I don't seem to be able to find any info if this has the excellent "Eye" focus tracking system of the A7RII which would be great with the f/2 lens wide open
Edit found some info on eye AF
The RX1R II's AF system appears to be the same Hybrid AF system as the A7R II, complete with 399 phase-detect AF points with 45% coverage along with 25 CDAF points. Sony claims a 30% improvement over the RX1R's autofocus speed, and we'd also expect better accuracy in low light. A more robust tracking algorithm is included, as is an AF-C mode with up to 5 fps continuous shooting. Eye-AF and lock-on AF are also included. As on the original RX1 models, a macro switch ring offers quick access to a close focusing mode that can be used with subjects as close as 14cm. The RX1R II will also offer uncompressed 14-bit Raw capture.
p.6 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
You can look at it two ways a free lens but the issue is you will most likely have another body anyway. A 35 1.4 is 1700 to put on your existing body. Not unless this is all you want. This has a couple sides to it. I guess the other part of that is would you spent 3300 on a single lens. I have and have spent up to 8 grand on just a lens. But you have look at this from a couple directions I guess. I'll wait a couple months and see what happens for me it's lower on my list than getting some more glass for my A7rII but it certainly is enticing as hell. Lol
p.6 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sflxn wrote:
Very nice. Now just one more thing to fix and it will be excellent. RX1R III... now with an actual grip. Such a big price increase and they couldn't even spare a little extra metal and plastic to add a more ergonomic grip. I would love to own one. I actually had the original for a short time, but the lack of grip made it feel like it was going to slip out of my hand and end up being expensive parts on some rock. Still, overall, a decent upgrade.
There are quite a few 3d party grips. Fotodiox, ReallyRightStuff and others.
p.6 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Canon just announced their RX1RII killer. The EOS M10.
No no no the EOS M10 is the A7RII killer, their RX1RII killer is the new fixed lens Powershot G5X!
Seriously though, when your only competition is Leica, what incentive is there to be aggressive on price? If Canon were to put the 5DSR sensor in a M sized body with a Blue Spectrum Refractive Optics 35mm f1.8L fixed lens for $2999 then we might see some movement!
p.6 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
johnvanr wrote:
I'm sure they would point to the included lens as a bonus, while in reality it's a weakness for all but those who only want this specific lens.
Well yeah, but...those people wouldn't want this product. It's not for them.
The size, weight, and cost of a 300mm f/2.8 are also a weakness for people who only need 180mm.
p.6 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Launagis wrote:
There are quite a few 3d party grips. Fotodiox, ReallyRightStuff and others.
Sure, but they add extra bulk. If Sony add just a little bit of grip in the front and some kind of grip in the back for the thumbs, it would be perfect. Would be a lot less bulk than 3rd party grips. I've seen some of the kits by forum members on the B&S board. With that much bulk, they might as well buy an A7RII.
p.6 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Lee Saxon wrote:
Yeah, but whether it's a good investment given its usefulness isn't the same as whether it's fairly priced given what's involved. The Otus are a great example. All that exotic glass, perhaps the price is fair. But I sure as hell ain't buying one.
Price is a weird discussion when it comes to photography. Not sure there ever is a real answer. Heck would you buy a 50k back. Maybe not but I bought 5 so it's a really a tough call. I do look at this as a single lens purchase of 3300 because that's what you get. Everyone has pocket book limits so hard to say for certainty if it's valued correctly. I just think given the value in the industry it should be around 2400-2700 but heck this thing might sell like hot cakes so that would be proven wrong at 3300.
p.6 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Launagis wrote:
There are quite a few 3d party grips. Fotodiox, ReallyRightStuff and others.
+1 I have the fotodiox, its extremely well built, good looking, and cheap.
You can always make a camera bigger with 3rd party accessories, but you can never make it smaller. In this regard, I kind of like the Sony zeitgeist... "just make the damn thing as small as possible".
p.6 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
pdmphoto wrote:
Vario optical low pass filter? It's almost like Sony had to add something new to make it "special"? Doesn't seem very useful, and likely not completely transparent in use. Sony seem more bent on pushing their technologies forward, than making a good solid camera for a reasonable price. Sony = electronics company
Taylor Sherman wrote:
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that photographers have been frustrated by the high res / moire tradeoff, and also the recent trend of offering two cameras that are identical except for the LPF. Even more so with the E/R version coming out after many have already bought the regular version.
So here's one camera that does both. How many photographers are going to switch modes a lot? Maybe very few. But, you no longer have to figure out before purchasing which version you want, and if you should wait for the potential no-LPF version, etc.
Taylor, I think your argument would make sense if the A7r II that was just friggin' announced had this feature. Holding it for this camera definitely feeds into the impression of Sony as an iteration-obsessed consumer electronics company.
