p.50 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Why is everyone here here using tidbits of what Lloyd had to say and taking things out of context? For the record here is his pparagraph:
Update: bad luck again. There is some nasty instability in the RX1R II focus which damaged several aperture series, with focus shifting to the bacgkround more and more at each aperture. At first I thought this was optical focus shift. But now it is clear that it is something with the camera—perhaps a mechanical issue, perhaps causes by a extremely stiff aperture ring which might somehow jiggle the focus of the lens? Frustrating as heck, and I despise cameras that damage my work in spite of far more care than most users would ever take.
It sounds to me like he thinks there may be some mechanical issues with the focus ring, as the aperture ring is turned. He also indicates he focus manually but I took no chances and focused manually.
Why is it the some people feel Sony does no wrong and have to attack, ridicule, or minimize anyone who says they are having a potential problem with a Sony camera?
p.50 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Because Lloyd seems to be proud of the fact with how much he hates Sony as a company? He is quite the nay-sayer for all things Sony. Sort of the anti-Huff. One loves Sony, another hates Sony. Both are clear about it. And both can take good photos.
Will have to wait and see what happens. If there is a problem, Sony will probably talk about it. If not, they won't.
p.50 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
pdmphoto wrote:
Why is it the some people feel Sony does no wrong and have to attack, ridicule, or minimize anyone who says they are having a potential problem with a Sony camera?
If this was the only negative thing Lloyd said you might have a point, but, his reputation is well earned (and maybe one he even enjoys)
p.50 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
This has nothing to do with Sony at all its everything to do with how he markets his site. No one follows anyone that reports positive reports only negative. I own a forum the most popular or most responses come from threads going south. I'm far from any OEM fanboy for any brand. Honestly I should just black tape over the brand name but it's actually quite ugly to do it. BTW I don't own the new RX either and actually further thought on it. I probably won't buy it either. I'm just not sure it work in my flow more than any ability factor.
pdmphoto wrote:
Why is everyone here here using tidbits of what Lloyd had to say and taking things out of context? For the record here is his pparagraph:
It sounds to me like he thinks there may be some mechanical issues with the focus ring, as the aperture ring is turned. He also indicates he focus manually .
Why is it the some people feel Sony does no wrong and have to attack, ridicule, or minimize anyone who says they are having a potential problem with a Sony camera?
p.50 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TheEmrys wrote:
Because Lloyd seems to be proud of the fact with how much he hates Sony as a company? He is quite the nay-sayer for all things Sony. Sort of the anti-Huff. One loves Sony, another hates Sony. Both are clear about it. And both can take good photos.
Will have to wait and see what happens. If there is a problem, Sony will probably talk about it. If not, they won't.
Is there any company, apart from Zeiss, Lloyd doesn't hate. And is there any company, apart from Fuji, Huff doesn't love?
I used to subscribe to their feeds and tons of other sites, but slowly deleted almost all.
p.50 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
zhangyue wrote:
How about real world shooting. How you select focusing aperture? especially you want maximized DOF under time pressure?
Not to speak for Fred but most shooters either use A mode where we select our aperture so we have that control or go full manual mode and adjust as we see fit. Honestly I never used anything else except S mode when I am more concerned about shutter speed . Sports or things of that nature.
Also common with some folks is Auto ISO which I personally do very little of but it is very effective for like street work and such.
p.50 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
zhangyue wrote:
So, what you guys trying to imply? is he purpose report wrong thing, or he is incapable to do things right?
Proof?
He's nitpicking. He always does. Somehow his free posts are merely marketing for his paid posts and he has to make a case for subscribing to his site. Since all gear is basically good enough nowadays, that becomes harder and harder.
It's not just his problem. All reviewers matter less now that gear has reached a point where it's all good.
p.50 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
If this was the only negative thing Lloyd said you might have a point, but, his reputation is well earned (and maybe one he even enjoys)
He said about S camera AF performance get hammered by LUF and getdpi folks, but I have handled total four S camera all not meet outstanding S lens capable if I rely on AF. For portrait distance you might be OK. but if you really want performance what you paid for, especially shoot WO, you pay attention!
Sorry guys, I'd love you guys point me a good example he hate something is not real. I am not even a subscriber for any online paid resource on this thing. so I don't care about him but only truth.
p.50 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
zhangyue wrote:
So, what you guys trying to imply? is he purpose report wrong thing, or he is incapable to do things right?
Proof?
I don't know what his agenda is. I will let his readers decide on that. There is also a possibility he has a defective unit.
Just to offer another point of view, I did an "aperture series" test to demonstrate center/corner resolution at infinity focus. It was focused manually for the first capture and then only the aperture ring was changed. (I usually do a previous test to detect any focus shift though)
p.50 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
Not to speak for Fred but most shooters either use A mode where we select our aperture so we have that control or go full manual mode and adjust as we see fit. Honestly I never used anything else except S mode when I am more concerned about shutter speed . Sports or things of that nature.
Also common with some folks is Auto ISO which I personally do very little of but it is very effective for like street work and such.
OK! Give me enough time, I will simply focus at shooting aperture, let’s say f11 and use LV to scroll around until make sure all relevant corner get good sharpness to my need or I might even wide aperture a little if I could say f5.6 to maximize IQ for given light condition.
If no enough time to fiddle around, I prefer old fashion way, just focus WO at hype-focal distance and Let small aperture to cover DOF needed. I might even just shoot a stop or two slower to cover my a** to get keeper. (these are all real world scenario I want cover DOF and optimize my IQ for given condtion)
Now, if you shoot f11 and focus at f11, god know what AF engine is doing to choose focus point. Given RX1 can lock focus wrong at low light, I guess the threshold to think it is in decent focus is not that high, how could you know you are in optimized focusing for given condition?
Depend on how you shooting, for portrait, this is not even an issue at all. But you know what I am talking about, right?
And I have found Sony camera do all sorts of weird thing without telling their customer make me angry, I only want rely on myself and trust myself. I don’t want their wonder engineer to control my shooting. I admit my requirement is quite different than typical customer in this regard.
p.50 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Well first the AF engine is quite good on the A7RII and the RX from my understanding is identical. I use a lot center AF point on like small or medium size and it works quite well. I can also check it with zoom magnifier in MF mode. If camera set up correctly you can go back and forth with the push of a button. So you have quite a bit of control. Sometimes for speed I will AF and quickly double check with zoom. So you have a lot of options to work with. Just need to set camera up the way you like.
Also F11 you will start to get diffraction. Use it only if DOF is priority.
p.50 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
Well first the AF engine is quite good on the A7RII and the RX from my understanding is identical. I use a lot center AF point on like small or medium size and it works quite well. I can also check it with zoom magnifier in MF mode. If camera set up correctly you can go back and forth with the push of a button. So you have quite a bit of control. Sometimes for speed I will AF and quickly double check with zoom. So you have a lot of options to work with. Just need to set camera up the way you like.
Also F11 you will start to get diffraction. Use it only if DOF is priority....Show more →
You describe a typical scenario case, which I also have no problem with Sony camera from A7R, A7 to RX1.
but shooting using hyper-focus is an issue to me if I can't set focus aperture myself. (my A7r does that) RX1 might be too, but I need confirm since I did that long time ago.
All I was trying to do is try to understand the problem LLyod reported.
f11 is very typical for landscape shooter to optimize DOF, diffraction and cross frame sharpness. For RX1 landscape, as I reported I can shoot f4 on my copy if I don't need cover DOF.
p.50 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just did two series of tests at close range from aperture f/2 until f/11. (The infinity focus test is linked above)
1) Focused manually at f/2 and then just changing the aperture every stop until f/11.
2) This time using AF-S for each aperture. So, AF for f/2, then AF for f/4, etc... until f/11
The results are identical (1 and 2) and it's amazing how little difference there is at the entire aperture range.
PS: Please don't make me post pictures of my outdoor snow man!
That is very helpful test. Thanks.
Did you take a look of DOF change by this two way of focusing?
use f11 to focusing always make me nervous, will you get the same sharpness and DOF profile let's say your lens initial condition is MFD or infinity. (I use f11 here but apply to any aperture than WO)
p.50 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just did two series of tests at close range from aperture f/2 until f/11. (The infinity focus test is linked above)
1) Focused manually at f/2 and then just changing the aperture every stop until f/11.
2) This time using AF-S for each aperture. So, AF for f/2, then AF for f/4, etc... until f/11
The results are identical (1 and 2) and it's amazing how little difference there is at the entire aperture range.
PS: Please don't make me post pictures of my outdoor snow man!
out of curiosity, what focus distance? i found my rx1 classic has a little bit of focus shift at close focus distance but that it isn't noticeable at infinity.
i also could never get consistent AF performance on the rx1 classic at f/8 or smaller (though i never tried on a tripod which might have helped the AF out a bit).
p.50 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
out of curiosity, what focus distance? i found my rx1 classic has a little bit of focus shift at close focus distance but that it isn't noticeable at infinity.
i also could never get consistent AF performance on the rx1 classic at f/8 or smaller (though i never tried on a tripod which might have helped the AF out a bit).
It was about 6-feet. I see no focus shift within the aperture range.
