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Archive 2015 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

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p.43 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
The Sony thumb grip is $150 off the original price at B&H: (From $248 to $98)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/907013-REG/Sony_TGA_1_Thumb_Grip.html

It's a special order though and it may take up to 2 weeks to ship. It's still very expensive for what it is but at least the price is no longer ridiculous.

I was able to get an excellent condition one for $70. Expensive, but considering it's a one time expense, isn't mind it that much. It locks into place and has a hinge that swings it out of the way.

I rationale it to myself that while cheaper, generic items work, probably just the same, for me the price isn't that bad considering the camera cost. If it was say $400 for a grip, than yeah it's too much. To me it's like buying a M5 and taking it to the 15 minute oil change because the dealership charges a lot.

Dec 10, 2015 at 01:56 PM

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p.43 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Thanks for that Sebboh. I can now look at them side by side - they load immediately even at full size.

I can see that the RX1 is clearly more contrasty, less glowy and sharper in the centre and even more so to the edges than the 40mm cron on the A7. How much of that do you think is due to the lens, how much to the thick cover glass on the A7 and how much to the RX1 having a weaker filter (if indeed it has)?

As to the out of focus rendition of the background trees, I much prefer the old, soft cron, at least at 100% on screen.

Dec 10, 2015 at 02:20 PM

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p.43 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

TMaG82 wrote:
I was able to get an excellent condition one for $70. Expensive, but considering it's a one time expense, isn't mind it that much. It locks into place and has a hinge that swings it out of the way.

I rationale it to myself that while cheaper, generic items work, probably just the same, for me the price isn't that bad considering the camera cost. If it was say $400 for a grip, than yeah it's too much. To me it's like buying a M5 and taking it to the 15 minute oil change because the dealership charges a lot....Show more →

Do you find it useful? I don't intend getting any grip bracket and was thinking of picking up the thumb grip at this price.

Dec 10, 2015 at 02:29 PM

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p.43 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
Do you find it useful? I don't intend getting any grip bracket and was thinking of picking up the thumb grip at this price.

Personally, I do. I find that having a thumb grip on all of these small compact cameras without a front grip is essential for handing, especially for one handed shooting. While you might not be shooting one handed as much with this camera because of the lack of IBIS and needing a steady grip, having a thumb grip helps.

Some will point out that generics ones are $10-20. Which is fine as well, but what I like about this one is that it has a lock, unlike the ones that I had for my X100 which didn't seem secure. Also it has the hinge so you don't have to remove the grip to access the playback button.

Dec 10, 2015 at 03:06 PM

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p.43 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

wolfloid wrote:
Thanks for that Sebboh. I can now look at them side by side - they load immediately even at full size.

I can see that the RX1 is clearly more contrasty, less glowy and sharper in the centre and even more so to the edges than the 40mm cron on the A7. How much of that do you think is due to the lens, how much to the thick cover glass on the A7 and how much to the RX1 having a weaker filter (if indeed it has)?

As to the out of focus rendition of the background trees, I much prefer...Show more →

i don't believe the rx1 classic has a significantly weaker AA filter than the A7. in my moire tests comparing the rx1 to the g45 they seem to produce roughly the same amount of moire through the range of apertures.

i believe most of the color and contrast differences come from the lens. the 40 cron has wavy field curvature even on film. it is exacerbated by the a7, but not enough to make any drastic changes to the character of the lens imo.

i agree the 40 cron bokeh looks smoother in the corners at 100%, however at normal viewing size i think thinks look smoother in the rx1 shot. this is a quirk of the particular scene (largely due to field curvature), at f/2 the 40 cron generally has very busy bokeh.

here are the shots at f/4 and f/11. i'm not sure anymore if i refocused on stopping down and there was probably some wind so there are likely to be some focus discrepancies between shots in addition to the obvious confound of me moving to compensate for different fields of view.

rx1 at f/4:
-https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2866/13396968333_ca93bf321c_o.jpg
40 cron at f/4:
-https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3717/13397220454_ebaa494dcb_o.jpg
g45 at f/4:
-https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7238/13397233524_498cd09746_o.jpg

rx1 at f/11:
-https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3694/13396828275_5b462bf8d4_o.jpg
40 cron at f/11:
-https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7106/13396806975_dcfb90b0dd_o.jpg
g45 at f/11:
-https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7201/13397213864_1ff1bf45fa_o.jpg

the clear message from this comparison is that it's pointless to shoot with any of these lenses at f/11 in the fog...

Dec 10, 2015 at 03:08 PM

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p.43 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
Do you find it useful? I don't intend getting any grip bracket and was thinking of picking up the thumb grip at this price.

i got a $20 thumbs up thing by "KIWI" from amazon and to be honest its great. it doesnt obscure the play button or the scroll, its basically designed for rx1 better than sony it seems? only problem is it requires gaffer tape to get rid of terrible level gauge :P

Dec 10, 2015 at 04:10 PM

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p.43 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

In case anyone's interested, the tiny RRS plate for compact cameras works perfectly on the RX1Rii. I originally got this for my RX100.
Obviously, only for times when you're not going to be shooting in portrait orientation, but if you don't want to carry an L bracket and want a super small plate with you, this is great. And it's the least expensive thing I've ever gotten from RRS.

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/BPnS-Bidirectional-plate-for-Point-n-Shoot

Dec 10, 2015 at 04:32 PM

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p.43 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Jeff, can the battery be changed with this RRS plate attached?

Dec 10, 2015 at 05:47 PM

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p.43 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Hmm, interesting. At f4 the cron looks just as good as the RX1. Or at least I can see no area where the RX 1 is better, and the boke on the cron still looks better.

Dec 10, 2015 at 05:57 PM

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p.43 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Joe Marquez wrote:
Jeff, can the battery be changed with this RRS plate attached?

I'll check tonight and let you know.

Dec 10, 2015 at 06:05 PM

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p.43 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

charles.K wrote:
The RX1rII is in my "must have for travel", but I wait for awhile and see how it really performs.

Indeed. But will they blow our minds with a 90mm f2 macro version? I could imagine liquidating almost everything I own for a pairing like that.

Dec 10, 2015 at 07:12 PM

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p.43 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

wolfloid wrote:
Hmm, interesting. At f4 the cron looks just as good as the RX1. Or at least I can see no area where the RX 1 is better, and the boke on the cron still looks better.

the rx1 is still contrastier and has zeissier colors (perhaps i should have color balanced them rather than giving them the same WB settings). it also has sharper on axis corners (the cron has sharper upper corners due to field curvature). when i view both images at full screen size rather than 100% the rx1 image clearly has more pop. the bush seems to perfectly match the FC characteristic of the cron though making more of it within dof (wonder if i did that on purpose). this is really the optimal distance for shooting the 40 cron imo. my infinity comparisons look very different � the cron has much worse midzone drop than the rx1 and the extreme corners never get as sharp as the rx1 has at already at f/2.

regarding bokeh the rx1 suffers from loCA and low contrast nisen bokeh in the corners, but is far smoother than the 40 cron in the presence of specular highlights.

as i'm sure you know from shooting the cron yourself it is quite prone to stuff like this at large aperture:
http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/728/22079099328_6281669e1e_o.jpg

the rx1 will never produce that kind of bokeh nor will it produce that "leica glow".

here's the closest i found to a similar situation with rx1 (note there is a lot harsher light in this shot than the cron shot):
http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/697/20783647163_91d8b87cfa_o.jpg

i've heard a lot of people complain about the 40 cron on the a7, but to me it seems to be a great lens with a few more quirks than most modern lenses.

Dec 10, 2015 at 07:30 PM

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p.43 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

wolfloid wrote:
This is surprising. Do you have any links or comparisons?

Few users on various forums have commented on this, as has Steve Huff (only name I can think of at the moment)

I don't think its worlds better, but I think its slightly larger, 0.74x vs 0.77x or something like that.

What really was more important to me that it isn't the RX100 pop-up EVF. That is fine and good for what it is, but isn't exactly enjoyable to shoot with.

Dec 10, 2015 at 08:12 PM

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p.43 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Think I'm going to break down and pull the trigger on the RX1rII, likely selling my RX1 and also A7rII to help fund it.

Tried to resist, thinking of plenty of excuses, but ultimately thinking back on the past 2 or 3 years with the RX1 and all the different Alpha camera models, I've quite enjoyed traveling with the Rx1 most of all, and really didn't feel I've given up too many shots. There is certainly something freeing about packing for a trip and just grabbing a single body, a couple of filters and a spare battery/charger, vs. trying to pick out a few different lenses, adapters, filters of all the different sizes I might want, which bag to carry it all in etc.

Looking at most of my wider scenics I've shot with the 16-35, vs the pano's I've done with the RX1 I think I can get by okay (and really shoot the 16-35 at its longer end).

Also will miss my other regular lens, the excellent 55/1.8, but the RX1 certainly is no slouch for some nice subject isolation when desired, and with the added resolution, should allow enough cropping.

Now just need to find one in stock, which hopefully won't be too difficult. I've probably missed out on the latest batch of new stock though, but maybe all the current orders will get filled and there will still be some surplus....hard to really judge the overall demand for the camera.

Dec 10, 2015 at 08:19 PM

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p.43 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Best of luck finding the camera. I can't imagine it being too hard or (hopefully) too long.

The RX1rII is my first fixed lens camera. What you say about feeling a bit "liberated" is right on. I've only gone on three photo outings, and can't think of any time where I missed having an FOV choice. It's true - when your choices are limited, you WILL find more things to shoot. Having choices may cloud "seeing", and now when I walk around, I only see from a 35mm perspective.

I've already sold off my A7 and FE24-70 lens. They went fast and for a very good price (for me). Next up is the FE35/2.8. I'm undecided about the FE70-200, but I'm keeping the FE16-35 and FE55 for my A7rII for the time being.

All subject to change, but it's starting to look like I will be using the RX1rII for 90+% of what I do. At that point, the A7rII and lenses will go up for sale.

Dec 10, 2015 at 08:48 PM

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p.43 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

millsart wrote:
Think I'm going to break down and pull the trigger on the RX1rII, likely selling my RX1 and also A7rII to help fund it.

Tried to resist, thinking of plenty of excuses, but ultimately thinking back on the past 2 or 3 years with the RX1 and all the different Alpha camera models, I've quite enjoyed traveling with the Rx1 most of all, and really didn't feel I've given up too many shots. There is certainly something freeing about packing for a trip and just grabbing a single body, a couple of filters and a spare battery/charger, vs. trying to...Show more →

Resistance is futile, welcome to the other side millsart. What you wrote about picking up one body to travel vs lenses could've been written by me. The lens that I might miss as well is the 55, the others that I've had aren't as irreplaceable as that one but like you, the 35 just has a look to it that I would pick over the 55 if I had to choose.

I ordered mine from B&H last Monday, 11/30, and they showed expected availability as being 12/8. Got a shipping notice yesterday, received it a few hours ago. I would guess the next batch should be coming in about 7-10 days or so.

Haven't had a chance to open my box yet, but I have the Sony lens hood, thumb grip, screen protector, and leather case sitting on my desk waiting. Also picked up a Mindshit gear trail backpack while selling my Panorama bag to downsize. Also picked up a a mini Filter Nest to store my ND and CPL which will also conveniently hold 2-3 extra batteries as well. Combine that with a new smaller, lighter tripod (haven't decided which one yet), and my GAS has hit an all-time high.

But I'm sure my kids will be happy that I won't be constantly stopping to change lenses and other kids will be happy that I'm smacking them in the head with my gear while chasing after mine.

Dec 10, 2015 at 08:53 PM

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p.43 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Joe Marquez wrote:
Jeff, can the battery be changed with this RRS plate attached?

Hi Joe, the answer is yes - barely. Here's the set up:

http://jkott.zenfolio.com/img/s9/v91/p1803268703-4.jpg

http://jkott.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v5/p1827180798-4.jpg

Note: RRS says this plate is good for all cameras up to 1 LB. The RX1Rii is 1.12 lbs, but the plate feels super secure and knowing the RRS products, they are probably at least 12% on the conservative side.

Dec 10, 2015 at 09:24 PM

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p.43 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Jeff,
That's a great option for landscape orientation shooting.
I need a L-bracket without any grip. Only RRS makes one? Apparently there isn't an option at the moment.

Dec 10, 2015 at 09:42 PM

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p.43 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

TMaG82 wrote:
Resistance is futile, welcome to the other side millsart. What you wrote about picking up one body to travel vs lenses could've been written by me. The lens that I might miss as well is the 55, the others that I've had aren't as irreplaceable as that one but like you, the 35 just has a look to it that I would pick over the 55 if I had to choose.

That is always the rub with the 55/1.8 (or the 58/1.2 Rokkor for that matter) as great as they are, I can't really get on with them in isolation, I need to supplement them with something else, be it a 28/2, or 25/2 Batis (if I could find one) or 16-35, or VC15 (which again, while cool lens, only gets maybe 5% of use so need to carry additional gear with it)

Same story back when I had the Sigma Merrill's too. Great at what they did, but you needed other gear too, or at least I did, so then I'd end up with one of my larger bags filled with a few different cameras, all the required chargers and such and I'd essentially have my entire carry-on be photo gear.

RX1, like the Fuji X100 models I owned before it, were really the only cameras I could simply throw in with some clothes and grooming essentials and jump on the plane.

Tried the same with higher end compacts like the RX100 series, which were cool for what they were, but I'd always end up missing a bit of IQ, subject isolation and other compromises that come with a sensor that small.

An improved RX1 may be just the ticket.....

Dec 10, 2015 at 09:51 PM

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p.43 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
Jeff,
That's a great option for landscape orientation shooting.
I need a L-bracket without any grip. Only RRS makes one? Apparently there isn't an option at the moment.

Most of the cheap Chinese grips for the RX1 have the grip section removable, as is the L portion so they are really 3 in 1

While the fit might not be perfect, I would think any of the cheap $20 ones would fit well enough, maybe with a touch of dremel as needed, to serve as a temporary solution until some dedicated mkII options hit the market.

Dec 10, 2015 at 09:54 PM

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