p.42 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
snowboarder wrote:
And the special look of my pictures is so unique,
I'm almost worried to lose it with an upgrade.
This is something I've been wondering. I loved the look of the RX1. Always wondered if it was the sensor or the lens.
I have the A7R II and I don't get the sense it has the same rendering, but I haven't shot that much with it yet.
Those who now have the RX1R II, how would you compare the 'look' with the previous RX1 and with the A7R II, especially the colors and that Zeiss 'pop'?
p.42 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Hey I know Fred put up the link for the special price on the Sony hood I also just noticed the thumb rest was marked down....I never really liked the thumb rest on the RX1/R because I also used the EVF however now with the pop up EVF the thumb rest is something I will use - 98.00 is a good buy considering the original cost.
p.42 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
johnvanr wrote:
This is something I've been wondering. I loved the look of the RX1. Always wondered if it was the sensor or the lens.
I have the A7R II and I don't get the sense it has the same rendering, but I haven't shot that much with it yet.
Those who now have the RX1R II, how would you compare the 'look' with the previous RX1 and with the A7R II, especially the colors and that Zeiss 'pop'?
I find the color of my original RX1 and my A7rII to be quite typical Sony, as was the original A7, A7r, A7s and A7II I also owned, little differences in auto WB but color is pretty consistent across the cameras.
Rendering is going to depend on the lens more than anything. The RX1 and any of the Alpha's with a 35/2.8 FE looked quite different. Not that the 35/2.8 FE is a bad lens, but it wasn't nearly as smooth and creamy as the RX1 Sonnar.
The 35/1.4 FE on the other hand comes a lot closer, not exact, but its quite lovely just the same. Big lens though.....
Long story short, A7rII with something like the 35/2.8 FE isn't going to look like a shot from the RX1, or RX1rII. A7rII with 35/1.4 FE is going to come pretty close, and I doubt many could tell which was which in many shots, because both are going to be fantastic, or I guess I should say have the ability to be fantastic, given the photographer does their job.
Spanner thrown into the works is that the Rx1rII is smaller/lighter than the 35/1.4 FE lens on its own, so what do you want to carry ?
p.42 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I think the real issue is that Sony is now presenting excellent cameras, which more than satisfy most of needs as photographers at a cost and I know myself I just have sit still for awhile and let my finances recoup
I do think Sony is reaching a saturation level, where many photographers will sit out until the next generation of cameras. For instance the A7sII, it would be fair to say most have not upgraded from the A7s.
The RX1rII is in my "must have for travel", but I wait for awhile and see how it really performs.
p.42 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
One "planned obsolescence" type downside with many of these mirrorless cameras is the EVF. Sony in particular has been sticking with the same EVF resolution now for quite some time - even with their most current A7rII and now RXIrII. It's somewhat ironic that an electronics powerhouse like Sony has recently been out innovated by the EVF in a camera from the most traditional company of them all - Leica. Now it appears that nice Leica SL EVF, apparently made by Epson, will begin turning up in other mirrorless cameras. I'm very curious to see where it shows up next.
p.42 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
charles.K wrote:
I think the real issue is that Sony is now presenting excellent cameras, which more than satisfy most of needs as photographers at a cost and I know myself I just have sit still for awhile and let my finances recoup
I do think Sony is reaching a saturation level, where many photographers will sit out until the next generation of cameras. For instance the A7sII, it would be fair to say most have not upgraded from the A7s.
The RX1rII is in my "must have for travel", but I wait for awhile and see how it really performs.
Same here. I want it, but really don't 'need' it until I travel abroad and want a small camera. Even then, I don't need it, but at least then it does seem to make sense. (But only if it delivers that special touch, which I'm not sure about yet)
But I only do want it because the first generation had flaws that made me sell mine despite loving its output, much like I had and sold the A7R. I'm not sure what Sony would have to offer in a A7R III or RX1R III to make me buy those.
p.42 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
One "planned obsolescence" type downside with many of these mirrorless cameras is the EVF. Sony in particular has been sticking with the same EVF resolution now for quite some time - even with their most current A7rII and now RXIrII. It's somewhat ironic that an electronics powerhouse like Sony has recently been out innovated by the EVF in a camera from the most traditional company of them all - Leica. Now it appears that nice Leica SL EVF, apparently made by Epson, will begin turning up in other mirrorless cameras. I'm very curious to see where it shows up next.
I always read about how one EVF is supposed to be the best ever, but quite honestly, ever since the one in the Olympus E-M1, they all have been fine to me. It's AF and start-up times that still bug me, not EVF quality.
p.42 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
One "planned obsolescence" type downside with many of these mirrorless cameras is the EVF. Sony in particular has been sticking with the same EVF resolution now for quite some time - even with their most current A7rII and now RXIrII. It's somewhat ironic that an electronics powerhouse like Sony has recently been out innovated by the EVF in a camera from the most traditional company of them all - Leica. Now it appears that nice Leica SL EVF, apparently made by Epson, will begin turning up in other mirrorless cameras. I'm very curious to see where it shows up next.
While Sony many isn't have major revolutions, I think they continue to offer a nice evolution with new models. I found the EVF of the Alpha series to be much nicer overall than the EVF (accessory) on the original RX1, and that EVF itself was pretty nice for 2012.
The A7rII EVF was again nicer than the one on my A7II, and from the accounts I've seen the RX1rII EVF is said to be an improvement over the A7rII.
Are they offering something like a 4-5meg EVF ? No, and maybe that would be cool, but I likewise don't think they haven't offered progress, and are at the leading edge of what mainstream manufactors are offering (by the likes of Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji et al)
The SL is insanely expensive, and pretty darn big in its form factor. Cool for what it is, but I wouldn't think really what we should expect (if its physically even possible in smaller bodies) for more consumer oriented cameras
p.42 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
johnvanr wrote:
I always read about how one EVF is supposed to be the best ever, but quite honestly, ever since the one in the Olympus E-M1, they all have been fine to me. It's AF and start-up times that still bug me, not EVF quality.
Yeah, I'm sure it just depends on personal preference and what one shoots. For me, the finder quality is very important and things like AF, speed/ start-up times not such a big deal (at least with my A7r and previously RX1 with EVF). For instance, I can easily see where more finder resolution would be very helpful with wide angles and distant landscape shots. Of course the big one is also the terrible dynamic range but I think it will be a while - if ever- before that one is overcome. The EVF progression thing somewhat reminds me of the move from standard def. TV to HD to now 4K. I never thought standard definition looked bad at all twenty years ago on a 27" TV. Now my 60" HD screen is starting to look small. I'm sure within five years, the newest EVF's will make todays EVF's look pathetic. It's very likely one of the major upgrade enticements manufacturers will offer, and many potential upgraders will likely take that bait.
p.42 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
While Sony many isn't have major revolutions, I think they continue to offer a nice evolution with new models. I found the EVF of the Alpha series to be much nicer overall than the EVF (accessory) on the original RX1, and that EVF itself was pretty nice for 2012.
The A7rII EVF was again nicer than the one on my A7II, and from the accounts I've seen the RX1rII EVF is said to be an improvement over the A7rII.
Are they offering something like a 4-5meg EVF ? No, and maybe that would be cool, but I likewise don't think they haven't offered progress, and are at the leading edge of what mainstream manufactors are offering (by the likes of Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji et al)
The SL is insanely expensive, and pretty darn big in its form factor. Cool for what it is, but I wouldn't think really what we should expect (if its physically even possible in smaller bodies) for more consumer oriented cameras...Show more →
It's certainly going to be interesting to see what happens over the coming year given that 2016 is a Photokina year. My bet is we see this superior Epson 4 megapixel EVF in a Sony FF competitor. Maybe Sony will even release that A9 with one of the headline features being a much better EVF. I would not be surprised either to see Fuji use this Epson EVF - maybe in the X-Pro 2 in February.
p.42 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
johnmondy wrote:
Hey I know Fred put up the link for the special price on the Sony hood I also just noticed the thumb rest was marked down....I never really liked the thumb rest on the RX1/R because I also used the EVF however now with the pop up EVF the thumb rest is something I will use - 98.00 is a good buy considering the original cost.
Found mine at Adorama- B&H also have it
John
yeah, but you can get a non-sony one for $20, which makes it seem like less of a good buy.
p.42 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
johnvanr wrote:
This is something I've been wondering. I loved the look of the RX1. Always wondered if it was the sensor or the lens.
I have the A7R II and I don't get the sense it has the same rendering, but I haven't shot that much with it yet.
Those who now have the RX1R II, how would you compare the 'look' with the previous RX1 and with the A7R II, especially the colors and that Zeiss 'pop'?
i can't speak for the new rx1rII or a7rII, but my feeling from the rx1 and a7 was that the sensors were pretty much the same and the difference was in the lens.
here's a comparison of the rx1 to a few different lenses (contax g 45, 40mm summicron, rokkor 58/1.2) shooting the same scene on the a7 at f/2 for what it's worth: rx1 g45 40 cron rokkor 58/1.2
p.42 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
dandrewk wrote:
Sure, if you don't mind that they don't fit very well and could damage the hot shoe.
the ones i've used did not have any such problems. how hard can it be to make something fit in a standard hot shoe?
i'm sure i could personally make a thumbs up grip that fit more precisely than the sony one for $40. if i thought i could sell a thousand i could cut that price to under $20 and still make 50% profit.
edit: if people are making ones that fall out or damage the hot shoe it's because they don't want to bother selling a $5 part for $20 when they could be selling a $1 part for $20.
p.42 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
the ones i've used did not have any such problems. how hard can it be to make something fit in a standard hot shoe?
i'm sure i could personally make a thumbs up grip that fit more precisely than the sony one for $40. if i thought i could sell a thousand i could cut that price to under $20 and still make 50% profit.
edit: if people are making ones that fall out or damage the hot shoe it's because they don't want to bother selling a $5 part for $20 when they could be selling a $1 part for $20.
I've reported in DPR, as well as others, that the knockoff thumb grips fit too tightly into the RX1rII's hot shoe. One poster had to file down his Fotodiox version. I was able to get mine to insert, but when carefully removing it snapped the thing. I could see someone damaging the hot shot mount itself, so saving $80 probably isn't worth it. I am going to stick with the Sony version, as it has a locking mechanism and a lever that rotates out of the way.
There is no shortage of greed here. However, it is what it is, and unless we go ahead and make one ourselves, we either "pay the man" or do without the grip.
p.42 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
here's a comparison of the rx1 to a few different lenses (contax g 45, 40mm summicron, rokkor 58/1.2) shooting the same scene on the a7 at f/2 for what it's worth: rx1 g45 40 cron rokkor 58/1.2
I'm having trouble with these links. I've seen the cron image and the RX1 image, but cannot get both open at the same time, or even reliably open any of them. Is there some way of improving this, as it would interest me greatly to compare the cron and the RX1 carefully?
p.42 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
One "planned obsolescence" type downside with many of these mirrorless cameras is the EVF. Sony in particular has been sticking with the same EVF resolution now for quite some time - even with their most current A7rII and now RXIrII. It's somewhat ironic that an electronics powerhouse like Sony has recently been out innovated by the EVF in a camera from the most traditional company of them all - Leica. Now it appears that nice Leica SL EVF, apparently made by Epson, will begin turning up in other mirrorless cameras. I'm very curious to see where it shows up next.
p.42 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
dandrewk wrote:
I've reported in DPR, as well as others, that the knockoff thumb grips fit too tightly into the RX1rII's hot shoe. One poster had to file down his Fotodiox version. I was able to get mine to insert, but when carefully removing it snapped the thing. I could see someone damaging the hot shot mount itself, so saving $80 probably isn't worth it. I am going to stick with the Sony version, as it has a locking mechanism and a lever that rotates out of the way.
There is no shortage of greed here. However, it is what it is, and unless we go ahead and make one ourselves, we either "pay the man" or do without the grip. ...Show more →
It's a special order though and it may take up to 2 weeks to ship. It's still very expensive for what it is but at least the price is no longer ridiculous.
p.42 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
wolfloid wrote:
I'm having trouble with these links. I've seen the cron image and the RX1 image, but cannot get both open at the same time, or even reliably open any of them. Is there some way of improving this, as it would interest me greatly to compare the cron and the RX1 carefully?
hmm, they work fine for me. each opens in a separate tab and i can flip back and forth between them. they are 4000x6000 images so they might open slow depending on your connection.
could it be a country specific limitation on flickr? does anyone else have trouble opening them?
