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graytrekker wrote:
Tyler:

Thank you.

I am no "expert", but, yes, I have been happy with it. Thanks for selling it me a couple of years ago. Did you never try astro with it?

I also use the 21, probably more - it all depends on what composition you want - more sky - or some perspective on foreground like mtns. Both are very good, I think.

Cheers

Doug


I never tried astro with it but missed it and bought another earlier this year. Given my g.a.s. issue that copy is now on the b&s forum, but it’s such a great lens I may withdraw it. I’ve owned each Loxia and feel the 25 is quite versatile at its focal length. Glad you continue to enjoy it, and keep the shots coming.
- Tyler



Oct 26, 2022 at 09:08 PM
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p.67 #2 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


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Thanks! I made my own film profile, based on matching over 2000 tones (with color response) from Tri-X 400 film (as scanned with a Coolscan 9000). I didn't do any selective processing like dodging or burning, I just applied my profile to each image with only a minor tweak if any to the contrast.


All that work shows! Would you mind to expand on your process? I really do love the contrast and tonality in these!



Oct 27, 2022 at 01:38 AM
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p.67 #3 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


nehemiahphoto wrote:
All that work shows! Would you mind to expand on your process? I really do love the contrast and tonality in these!




Thank you! When I switched to digital from film, I looked at the film emulations available and none of them looked anything like film. I've spent the last few years trying to build film profiles that give digital images the colors and tones of film.

Grain can't easily be emulated, so the film profiles end up as a hybrid look of digital and film (some profiles add noise and call it grain, but grain is signal, not noise, and added noise looks awful and nothing like grain at all).

I've rebuilt the profiles many times, getting closer each time to matching test shots made with both digital and film. Black and white is a bit easier to profile than color, and those profiles appear to match really closely now. I'm currently rebuilding some color profiles (Portra 400 and E100 slide) which are showing promise and may be final versions as they are already matching very closely.

To build these profiles, I use color charts with over 2000 swatches that uniformly cover the color gamut. I shoot them on digital and film in sunlight for full spectrum light and use pixel shift on digital to get full color depth. I then take many side-by-side digital and film pictures, because colors in the real world have spectral properties that can't be adequately contained in a printed color chart.

From this I build a 3D LUT. A LUT (Look-Up Table) is a simple text table of color numbers that remaps an input color to an output color. It allows for non-linear color transformations. A lot of currently available profiles just move sliders around, and that will never get a result that looks like film. A 3D LUT is a LUT that also remaps based on brightness, not just hue. So I can define how color behaves in the shadows differently from how it behaves in the highlights, etc.

This work is to make profiles for my own use, but I will also sell the profiles to try to recover some of the costs in developing them (it's been an expensive journey). My brand is called "Not Film".

I have started with building profiles for films still being produced because they are easy to access, but I also have a fridge full of various discontinued films I loved over the years and still have some rolls of (this is my real goal behind building profiles, to resurrect the look of those films). The next profiles I'm building, for instance, are Reala, Pro 400h, and Acros 100 (original formula). My favorite films are Portra 160VC, Fuji Pro 800Z, Fuji Pro 160C, etc., and I have all of these waiting to be profiled.

Currently the profiles work in Photoshop. Using them is simple: a file containing the profiles is opened, and a profile can be dragged and dropped onto the image being worked on. Each profile is a set of layers: a LUT layer, and then a curves layer and a levels layer that you can use to adjust the contrast. The LUT layer matches the image to a flat, low contrast film scan, and the curves and levels are suggested adjustments, but one could apply whatever settings they normally would to a flat film scan to get any look they want.

I will likely also make a Lightroom version, but the issue is it will be lower quality. Lightroom is not truly professional and it cuts corners to get better speed. Photoshop supports LUTs of any size and my final LUTs will likely be a size of 128, which is already compressed but without a visible difference. Lightroom only supports a size of 32. That's a massive compression, and the difference is visible. In tests it looks ok, but not as good as Photoshop side-by-side.

Currently I have Tri-X 400, Delta 100, T-Max 100, and HP5+ finished. I will soon add Acros 100 to that list. They were all dev'd in DDX and my emulation will be flat scans as scanned with a Nikon Coolscan 9000.

I had originally looked at emulating Fuji Frontier or Noritsu, but the Coolscan 9000 has better color fidelity for color films, so that's what I'm using.



Oct 27, 2022 at 10:14 AM
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p.67 #4 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


tbpeur01 wrote:
I never tried astro with it but missed it and bought another earlier this year. Given my g.a.s. issue that copy is now on the b&s forum, but it’s such a great lens I may withdraw it. I’ve owned each Loxia and feel the 25 is quite versatile at its focal length. Glad you continue to enjoy it, and keep the shots coming.
- Tyler


Tyler:

If MTF charts carry any weight or validity with you, the 25 demonstrates the best performance of all the Loxias - very impressive. I love it and only go with the 21 if: a) I really need to go wider, or b) backpacking, where I carry the 21 and my 24-105 zoom.

As much as I like the 21, I would probably exchange it for something a bit wider - i.e., if there was something like a manual (Loxia) version of the 18 mm Batis, as the 21 is a bit close to the 25, but not tempted (at this point) to sell the 25.

Doug



Oct 27, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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graytrekker wrote:
Tyler:

If MTF charts carry any weight or validity with you, the 25 demonstrates the best performance of all the Loxias - very impressive. I love it and only go with the 21 if: a) I really need to go wider, or b) backpacking, where I carry the 21 and my 24-105 zoom.

As much as I like the 21, I would probably exchange it for something a bit wider - i.e., if there was something like a manual (Loxia) version of the 18 mm Batis, as the 21 is a bit close to the 25, but not tempted (at this
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Doug -- Good to hear about the the MTF being best for the Loxia 25. I don't want to seem like seeking confirmation bias, but that corresponds to my experience. I appreciate all the "Loxia Five", but the 25 seems the best balance of sharpness, contrast and pleasing field curvature for landscape and general photography. The 21 is a close second.

I also chose to purchase the Batis 18 for times the 21 (or two-shot pano) isn't wide enough. I've been rewarded on several outings in landscape and events (car shows) using the Batis in AF mode (although I'm sure MF-by-wire would work fine too). I haven't really had any problems with it in AF mode, even wide open at f/2.8 it nails focus from near to far and speeds picture taking from various angles. The overall image "look" is consist enough to the Loxia line to keep consistency. Light fall-off on periphery is easily corrected in PP using lens profile or manual tools for vignetting. Overall, I give the Batis 18 high marks too.




Oct 27, 2022 at 12:09 PM
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p.67 #6 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


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Doug -- Good to hear about the the MTF being best for the Loxia 25. I don't want to seem like seeking confirmation bias, but that corresponds to my experience. I appreciate all the "Loxia Five", but the 25 seems the best balance of sharpness, contrast and pleasing field curvature for landscape and general photography. The 21 is a close second.

I also chose to purchase the Batis 18 for times the 21 (or two-shot pano) isn't wide enough. I've been rewarded on several outings in landscape and events (car shows) using the Batis in AF mode (although I'm sure
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Yes - I go back and forth on the 18 Batis- good to get another vote of confidence for it.
I do occasionally look at the FM B&S site and wonder



Oct 27, 2022 at 05:54 PM
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p.67 #7 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


For those who may be interested, I thought I would go ahead and post some screen captures from the Zeiss site with the Loxia MTFs. If you want larger, clearer images, just google MTF Loxia. xxmm and click on the Zeiss pdf that comes up (and it
s all in German, of course)

MTF Loxia 21 by Doug Stevens, on Flickr

MTF Loxia 25 by Doug Stevens, on Flickr

MTF Loxia 35 by Doug Stevens, on Flickr

MTF Loxia 50 by Doug Stevens, on Flickr

MTF Loxia 85 by Doug Stevens, on Flickr

Cheers

Doug



Oct 27, 2022 at 06:16 PM
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Lox21



Dec 01, 2022 at 04:55 PM
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p.67 #9 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


Loxia 35 on the Sony A1:




Loxia 50 on the Sony A1:





Dec 03, 2022 at 05:55 AM
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Zeiss Loxia 21mm f.2.8 at f/5




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p.67 #11 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


21Loxia








Dec 11, 2022 at 04:16 PM
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p.67 #12 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


Meute right? Where did you see them? I saw them in Santa Cruz earlier this year, will try to see them again when they come back in 2023.

I need me a Loxia 21 or 85 so I can contribute to this thread again.

Oogappeltje wrote:
Lox21
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52536380266_9034788f91_b.jpg




Dec 12, 2022 at 12:32 PM
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p.67 #13 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


Meute indeed!
Amazing gig in Paradiso Amsterdam, totaly beserk show 😎.

My biggest GAS is urge of getting a lox25. I keep resisting, but for how long.....🙊


akashyap wrote:
Meute right? Where did you see them? I saw them in Santa Cruz earlier this year, will try to see them again when they come back in 2023.

I need me a Loxia 21 or 85 so I can contribute to this thread again.





Dec 12, 2022 at 01:29 PM
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p.67 #14 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


Oogappeltje wrote:
Meute indeed!
Amazing gig in Paradiso Amsterdam, totaly beserk show 😎.

My biggest GAS is urge of getting a lox25. I keep resisting, but for how long.....🙊



Keep looking for a great deal on the Loxia 25! As soon as you find one in good condition -- buy it! You'll never regret it.



Dec 12, 2022 at 04:43 PM
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p.67 #15 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


I used to have all the Loxias, I recently re-acquired them for about 1/3 the price I paid years ago...
I feel like these are special lenses, so punchy and colorful, Anyways, here's a few with the 50

Loxia 50 / a7riv







Dec 12, 2022 at 09:50 PM
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These images are influencing me to bring my Loxia 21 on my Death Valley camping trip. We're on a truck platform, and do this trip every year for nine or ten days.
I had pared down my A1 kit, but the small 21 is worth bringing. The 135 Batis will still stay home though.



Dec 13, 2022 at 08:21 PM
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Sun trying to peak through heavy fog



Loxia 21



Dec 14, 2022 at 12:37 AM
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IndyFab wrote:
Sun trying to peak through heavy fog

Loxia 21


Lovely image. Just the right amount of punch without going over the top



Dec 14, 2022 at 05:14 AM
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p.67 #19 · Zeiss Loxia Images Thread


Lox21 -15 sec with ND1000



Dec 14, 2022 at 05:15 AM
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Oogappeltje wrote:
Lovely image. Just the right amount of punch without going over the top


Thank you




Dec 14, 2022 at 10:41 AM
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