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p.3 #1Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
torakun, not much point trying to dissuade you from the a7r2 now that you've ordered it. but if cost is a factor i suggest you try Leica R lenses.

i've used many zeiss lenses (ZF and then Contax and a couple of ZM's), and leicas still have something special about them, especially the mandler-era ones.

the summicron-r 50 is very affordable by leica standards. optically virtually identical to the pre-apo summicron-m, but costs only $250-$400.

the summicron-r 90 is likewise identical to the pre-apo m and very affordable. $400-$600.

the summicron-r 35 v2 is a bit more but still cheaper than the m equiv.
Sep 07, 2015 at 12:49 AM
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p.3 #2Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
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torakun, not much point trying to dissuade you from the a7r2 now that you've ordered it. but if cost is a factor i suggest you try Leica R lenses.

i've used many zeiss lenses (ZF and then Contax and a couple of ZM's), and leicas still have something special about them, especially the mandler-era ones.

the summicron-r 50 is very affordable by leica standards. optically virtually identical to the pre-apo summicron-m, but costs only $250-$400.

the summicron-r 90 is likewise identical to the pre-apo m and very affordable. $400-$600.

the summicron-r 35 v2 is a bit more but still cheaper than the m
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Hi thank you for the comment. I appreciate it. I think like I said, I have two choices. Pay up then sell it again unopened, or just try it and risk the lower resell value as with other A7 series.

Interesting.. Those lenses requires the same LM to NEX adapter or a different one? You've mentioned the cost, which is the positive, what about the negative?

Regards,
Sep 07, 2015 at 12:58 AM
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p.3 #3Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
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aly324 wrotetorakun, not much point trying to dissuade you from the a7r2 now that you've ordered it. but if cost is a factor i suggest you try Leica R lenses.

i've used many zeiss lenses (ZF and then Contax and a couple of ZM's), and leicas still have something special about them, especially the mandler-era ones.

the summicron-r 50 is very affordable by leica standards. optically virtually identical to the pre-apo summicron-m, but costs only $250-$400.

the summicron-r 90 is likewise identical to the pre-apo m and very affordable. $400-$600.

the summicron-r 35 v2 is a bit more but still cheaper than the m equiv.
Hi thank you for the comment. I appreciate it. I think like I said, I have two choices. Pay up then sell it again unopened, or just try it and risk the lower resell value as with other A7 series.

Interesting.. Those lenses requires the same LM to NEX adapter or a different one? You've mentioned the cost, which is the positive, what about the negative?

Regards,


different adapter--leica R to NEX adapter.

biggest negative is size and portability. the 50 and 35 would be considerably bigger and heavier than the M equivalent. (the 90 about the same, but differently shaped). (but for me the Summicrons-R are very manageable. and it's nice to have some heft and girth.)

also in terms of raw optical performance, particularly wide-open sharpness, CA-control, and flare suppression, the modern aspherical leicas will be superior.

but i, like many, find something aesthetically very pleasing about the older Leica lenses. check out the Mandler and Leica R threads.

Sep 07, 2015 at 01:06 AM
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p.3 #4Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
20c....
I migrated from Canon 6D to the A7ii to explore manual glass. I couldn't justify M glass in terms of $. I've also read too much re sensor stacking issues / shorter focal length M glass. As Aly234 said, have a look at Leica R glass or Zeiss Contax. Having spent a bit of time on various forums esp. REDUSER.net, I invested in some Contax gear and have over time acquired the 28, 50, 85 and 135 lenses and am extremely pleased with that path. I also bought a Summicron R 50 just to put my toes in the water. All that for what you might easily spend for 1 M lens....While there are subtle differences, these are all fine MF lenses. I also kept a couple of my Canon L lenses, 100L and 200Lii, and my lenses are canon mount via either native or Leitax adapters and mount on the Sony via Metabones. Job done. time to go out and take some photographs....there are heaps of superb lenses and systems, and way too many combinations and permutations thereof, if you can afford it, do it...we all make a few mistakes, lose a few bucks here and there buying and selling. remember life is not a practice run and enjoy the journey.
Sep 07, 2015 at 01:24 AM
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p.3 #5Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
If I were to buy an M camera right now, it would be M9, M9-P, or M-E due to the newly addressed CCD sensor.

http://en.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Latest-information-CCD-sensors


Many still believe CCD produces better color/tone than the new M240 CMOS. The new M that will come out next year will probably be CMOS, making M9 series still the best CCD Leica for the next 4 years.

However, if you are not a pixel peeper, A7Rii + M lenses and vintage are far from the mess people seem to believe. They still look pretty damn good. Here are some of the images from varios M and vintage lenses on the A7Rii. Please note I'm not the best photograph composer so it's just about the IQ in general

All M-mount or M-modified lenses in order

Dallmayer Super Six 50 1.9 M modified
Angenieux 90 1.8 M modified
35 Summilux Aspherical
Fujinon 50 1.2
28 Summicron ASPH

Even though M240 + M lenses still produce the best images if you look hard enough, my choice of camera today is still A7Rii due to its functions, practicality, and ease of use. I'm willing to sacrifice a drop of perfection for the higher number of great images that I can use.






Dallmeyer Super Six 50 1.9 M modified







Angenieux 90 1.8 M modified







35 Summilux Aspherical







Fujinon 50 1.2







28 Summicron ASPH

Sep 07, 2015 at 08:59 AM
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20c....
I migrated from Canon 6D to the A7ii to explore manual glass. I couldn't justify M glass in terms of $. I've also read too much re sensor stacking issues / shorter focal length M glass. As Aly234 said, have a look at Leica R glass or Zeiss Contax. Having spent a bit of time on various forums esp. REDUSER.net, I invested in some Contax gear and have over time acquired the 28, 50, 85 and 135 lenses and am extremely pleased with that path. I also bought a Summicron R 50 just to put my toes in the water.
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Thank you for the reply. I think you're right. Problem is, there's no perfect camera and my dream camera is still leica for it's name only I suppose. I have to make a decision soon and I hope that I'm making the right one later. I can't find summicron R in my country yet, but it's an interesting option.

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tchirath wrote:
If I were to buy an M camera right now, it would be M9, M9-P, or M-E due to the newly addressed CCD sensor.

http://en.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Latest-information-CCD-sensors

Many still believe CCD produces better color/tone than the new M240 CMOS. The new M that will come out next year will probably be CMOS, making M9 series still the best CCD Leica for the next 4 years.

However, if you are not a pixel peeper, A7Rii + M lenses and vintage are far from the mess people seem to believe. They still look pretty damn good. Here are some of the images from varios M and vintage
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Thank you for the reply. Those are a great pictures! Thank you for your pictures.

I see, so they have addressed it. However, I am wondering about the comments (bloggers, steve huff, etc) regarding Leica's RF alignment going to be misaligned and needs to be send back at least every 6-9 months. Is this correct? I am very wary about this becoming a huge issue since the repair could take a month and more.

The reason why I'm considering M240 is, because of that RF issue, at least when it broke, I can use the Focus Peaking feature until I'm ready to send it back.

Fujinon 1.2? based on your picture it produce amazing file. I might need to browse around..

Cheers!
Sep 07, 2015 at 09:37 PM
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p.3 #7Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
All,

Kolari is now performing thin filter upgrades on the A7Rii. I understand Lloyd Chambers has one for testing and results are expected in the new future.

Michael
Sep 07, 2015 at 10:08 PM
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p.3 #8Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
aly324 wrote:
I'd second UhOh in considering an M body for M lenses. This is coming from someone who's used all the A7x bodies (unmodified) except the A7R2 and who is not a fan of RF focusing.

I say this because I recently rented an M-E to use with my M mount lenses and noticed that the files came out much better looking. There's a crispness and tonal richness that I don't see in the Sony files, which by contrast look like they have a thin gauze over them. And it's not just about the edges and corners.



I second Aly324. I've been using A7II with FE55 and 2/35 Loxia along with my Leica M lenses for 7 months now. The image quality produce by M240 with its own M lenses surpassed my expectation in term of high quality image. Sure the A7II also produce superb image but its nothing like the Leica images. Like Aly said there is crispness, richer tonal and high contrast from Leica M images that can't be duplicate by any manufacturer yet.

I too had been fooled by high immense of good review of A7RII, but in some way A7RII will still be a good all round camera or video, but my passion of shooting is with my Leica MP240.
Sep 07, 2015 at 11:55 PM
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p.3 #9Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
torakun wrote:
Thank you for the inputs!

I think I made a mistake pre ordering the A7RII, the problem is that, I was super excited and so looking forward on owning one. However, now that I've been left waiting until I don't know when (supposedly it will be delivered this month for my pre order), my mistake was reading on many reviews. That coupled with the long waiting time is making me very unsure about this move. For example, I could just get Fuji XPRO1 (I don't like the newer Xtrans sensor)+23mm f1.4+16mm f1.4+56mm f1.2, all for only $2100. I'm just a hobbyist
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I still believe A7RII is still a great camera, nothing can beat its video capabilities too. I just can't give up my Sony camera yet as it serve to photograph and shooting video of my 9 months old kid.


Unrelated Leica question. How hard is it to focus using a RF, and will it make any different if my eyes is minus/need glasses?

Thanks again for the replies!


In my experience from EVF shooter, you will need to adjust a bit, after you getting used with its frameline and focus patching, it's a joy to use. Mine is -3 and my only problem is when using 35mm or wider, I need to take a moment to compose.

Sep 08, 2015 at 12:22 AM
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p.3 #10Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
tchirath wrote:
For 35 1.4 lenses -- Nothing beats 35 1.4 Zeiss FE on A7Rii, not even Leica 35 Summilux FLE. However I prefer the FLE due to size.


Overall I prefer the Sony lens due to its AF and bokeh, but the Leica has more sharpness and pop (at least when comparing my copies of these two lenses on the A7RII).
Sep 08, 2015 at 06:24 AM
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p.3 #11Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
How is the ZM 35 1.4 on an A7r2 at infinity?
Sep 08, 2015 at 08:27 AM
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p.3 #12Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
philber wrote:
There will be another option, to be announced this week.


Good point.
Sep 08, 2015 at 08:32 AM
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p.3 #13Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
torakun wrote:
Thank you for the reply. Those are a great pictures! Thank you for your pictures.

I see, so they have addressed it. However, I am wondering about the comments (bloggers, steve huff, etc) regarding Leica's RF alignment going to be misaligned and needs to be send back at least every 6-9 months. Is this correct? I am very wary about this becoming a huge issue since the repair could take a month and more.

The reason why I'm considering M240 is, because of that RF issue, at least when it broke, I can use the Focus Peaking feature until I'm ready
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I never owned an M9 so I cannot comment on the RF misalignment from personal experience. However, quite a few friends of mine use M9 and I have not heard about this problem. I know someone who experienced RF misalignment but it was on M240 and only took a couple weeks to fix with minimal cost.

Thank you for your compliment. Fujinon 50 1.2 was one of the first fast lenses for Fujifilm. It's soft and low contrast wide open but above F2.0 it's quite sharp.
Sep 08, 2015 at 10:29 AM
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p.3 #14Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
So how's your impression on your new M240 torakun?
Sep 26, 2015 at 09:43 PM
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p.3 #15Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
Owned an M9 .. Leica is an important rite of passage, like owning a Rolex, driving a Porsche, drinking Dom Perignon ... sooner or later you wake up to the Sony, VW and beer ...

Number of Leica lenses left, including a Summicron-R 50f2 which has great colour but isn't as clear as my C/Y Planar 50f1.4 which if I remember correctly (too much Dom Perignon I'd like to say) cost a lot less, but that was at a time when no one wanted manual focus lenses...
Sep 27, 2015 at 04:33 AM
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p.3 #16Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
My current favorite is 50 APO cron, it has beautiful rendering, color tonal and superb contrast that I haven't see with any other lenses on the market, such an amazing lens.

Sep 27, 2015 at 05:52 AM
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p.3 #17Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
Charles, sorry to hear your Noctilux is collecting dust. I can give you an address to ship it.

Jim

charles.K wrote:
Having owned many M mount bodies for 5 years, with an array of Leica M mount glass I would strongly advise against purchasing M mount glass specifically for the A7rII. The best body with Leica M glass is the M9/M240 bodies, and hopefully soon Leica will introduce a new body.

Of course there is superb M mount glass available, and few really work as well as the native mounts. The FE 55m Loxia 50, FE 35/1.4, Batis 25/85, FE 90 are really superb.

I still have a number of Leica M lenses, and the two that I still really enjoy with the
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Sep 27, 2015 at 01:38 PM
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p.3 #18Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
Grenache wrote:
Charles, sorry to hear your Noctilux is collecting dust. I can give you an address to ship it.

Jim

charles.K wroteHaving owned many M mount bodies for 5 years, with an array of Leica M mount glass I would strongly advise against purchasing M mount glass specifically for the A7rII. The best body with Leica M glass is the M9/M240 bodies, and hopefully soon Leica will introduce a new body.

Of course there is superb M mount glass available, and few really work as well as the native mounts. The FE 55m Loxia 50, FE 35/1.4, Batis 25/85, FE 90 are really superb.

I still have a number of Leica M lenses, and the two that I still really enjoy with the A7rII is the M 50 Cron IV and WATE. Having the Batis 25, I now really don't need the WATE. I am even finding with the increased resolution and rendering with the A7rII that my 50 Nocti f/1.0 and 75 Lux are now lacking to the point where I do not use them much.

There are a few M mount lenses that work really great and the size and weight is the real advantage IMO, If your main interest in the 50mm FL, like myself, the FE 55/1.8 is a great starting point without having to mortgage your house


Hi Jim,

My 50 Nocti f/1.0 and 75 Lux have found a new home! But thank you for the offer
Sep 27, 2015 at 08:42 PM
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p.3 #19Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
Gasp. Sniff. Sob.

The up side here is that I don't have to get a divorce.
Sep 28, 2015 at 02:52 PM
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p.3 #20Sony A7RII with leica standard M lenses?
Arai wrote:
So how's your impression on your new M240 torakun?


Hi there!

Sorry been away. Well, the M240 will find a new home, in mine, by Friday at the latest! I have bought it with 50 summicron (all second hand btw, but the 50 is still under warranty for over a year left). I could have spring for a 50 summilux but not too sure.. Maybe after using this for couple of months and if I feel like I need f 1.4 then I'll exchange it. If not, I'll look for another focal length, like 28 ot 35 (both are expensive btw.. may have to go for the new Zeiss ZM 35 1.4 I guess..)

I managed to sell the sony back to the store that I pre ordered, and they took it 1:1 all money back. So, overall, I'm happy.

Sorry if this topic becoming a drag on a Sony section, but what are the recommended lenses (I DON'T mind the 3rd party option as long as its good enough) for Leica M240?

Thanks!
Sep 30, 2015 at 06:04 AM
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