Archive 2015 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
p.4 #1A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
Aug 28, 2015 at 12:16 PM
p.4 #2A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
LCA is high on this lens but gets somewhat cleaned up in LR but not completely.
Yeah the CA really bugged me with that lens.
LCA is high on this lens but gets somewhat cleaned up in LR but not completely.
Yeah the CA really bugged me with that lens.
Aug 28, 2015 at 12:19 PM
p.4 #3A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
GMPhotography wrote:
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
I see the 16-35/4 a well-rounded zoom with excellent IQ. The sweat spot is f/5.6 center and corner. (Except at 30-35mm). If you stop down at 30-35mm, it's actually great and compares to the FE 35mm f/2.8 prime. (I have sample to prove that)
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy" though. I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
I see the 16-35/4 a well-rounded zoom with excellent IQ. The sweat spot is f/5.6 center and corner. (Except at 30-35mm). If you stop down at 30-35mm, it's actually great and compares to the FE 35mm f/2.8 prime. (I have sample to prove that)
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy" though. I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Aug 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM
p.4 #4A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Outside of the extreme edge (same images as above). This is the 'edge' at f/8 and the CV 15III looks actually sharper now.
That's why I wrote that the CV15III image cropped as a 17mm lens is excellent on the entire frame.
Thanks Fred. The edges of both are quite disappointing. Now we all wait for that WATE comparison
Outside of the extreme edge (same images as above). This is the 'edge' at f/8 and the CV 15III looks actually sharper now.
That's why I wrote that the CV15III image cropped as a 17mm lens is excellent on the entire frame.
Thanks Fred. The edges of both are quite disappointing. Now we all wait for that WATE comparison
Aug 28, 2015 at 12:30 PM
p.4 #5A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .I see the 16-35/4 a well-rounded zoom with excellent IQ. The sweat spot is f/5.6 center and corner. (Except at 30-35mm). If you stop down at 30-35mm, it's actually great and compares to the FE 35mm f/2.8 prime. (I have sample to prove that)
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Fred on my tests that I linked earlier in this thread the corners very far corners that is are very good. I'm not at infinity though. More like 30 feet away and they are really nice. Have to look at some infinity stuff. FYI I'm using a Metabones adapter.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computer
GMPhotography wrote
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Fred on my tests that I linked earlier in this thread the corners very far corners that is are very good. I'm not at infinity though. More like 30 feet away and they are really nice. Have to look at some infinity stuff. FYI I'm using a Metabones adapter.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computer
Aug 28, 2015 at 01:51 PM
p.4 #6A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Okay that's my very far upper left corner at f4.5 which is pretty awesome but again 30 ft away. I'll look for a infinity
Here is F8 from that test
Here is F8 from that test
Aug 28, 2015 at 01:56 PM
p.4 #7A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
GMPhotography wrote:
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .I see the 16-35/4 a well-rounded zoom with excellent IQ. The sweat spot is f/5.6 center and corner. (Except at 30-35mm). If you stop down at 30-35mm, it's actually great and compares to the FE 35mm f/2.8 prime. (I have sample to prove that)
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.Fred on my tests that I linked earlier in this thread the corners very far corners that is are very good. I'm not at infinity though. More like 30 feet away and they are really nice. Have to look at some infinity stuff. FYI I'm using a Metabones adapter.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computer
I have the Voigtlander adapter. It could be a bad copy but it does not seem decentered as the edges look good. The problem I'm having with this copy is on the extreme edges.
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computer
I have the Voigtlander adapter. It could be a bad copy but it does not seem decentered as the edges look good. The problem I'm having with this copy is on the extreme edges.
Aug 28, 2015 at 01:59 PM
p.4 #8A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
I will have the 15 III today. I also really like the 11-24L but it is a tad larger but love what it does.
Aug 28, 2015 at 02:02 PM
p.4 #9A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
There might be a focal sweet spot. I was testing the ZM18 on A7.mod, and was wondering if I could ever really get my edges and corners, then I found a shot which really had it all.
I should have made some careful marks
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I should have made some careful marks
.Aug 28, 2015 at 02:05 PM
p.4 #10A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .I see the 16-35/4 a well-rounded zoom with excellent IQ. The sweat spot is f/5.6 center and corner. (Except at 30-35mm). If you stop down at 30-35mm, it's actually great and compares to the FE 35mm f/2.8 prime. (I have sample to prove that)
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.Fred on my tests that I linked earlier in this thread the corners very far corners that is are very good. I'm not at infinity though. More like 30 feet away and they are really nice. Have to look at some infinity stuff. FYI I'm using a Metabones adapter.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computerI have the Voigtlander adapter and my 20-30 feet tests show about the same thing. It could be a bad copy but it does not seem decentered as the edges look good. The problem is on the extreme edges. It could be that I'm not used to any smearing and this lens still shows a little bit on the A7RII.
I'll give mine a test for infinity. This is just a decent shot but does not tell us the extreme corners . This one on the A7II
GMPhotography wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Why I sold the zoom. The Batis 25 and VC 15 is a powerful combination. The VC is amazing for its price tag. I just landed a nice gig traveling to shoot those big windmills you see to create energy with those really big fans the VC 15 will be a key lens for it. The zoom is a nice lens but it's really a 16-24 lens after 24 it starts slipping in IQ . Why I decided the 15 would be a better option than add the Batis 25.Nice sample Fred that's a good comparison .
From my experience, edges are good but never get "crispy". I believe the issue with the zoom is astigmatism.
However, the extreme edge smear on the 15III is a big issue on my sample (all 4 edges).
Can you guys confirm the extreme edge issue I have with my copy? I never read that anywhere.
Are you seeing all extreme corners like that. Just wondering if you may have a bad adapter. See if I can grab a crop to post from my iPad. Not near my computer
I'll give mine a test for infinity. This is just a decent shot but does not tell us the extreme corners . This one on the A7II
Aug 28, 2015 at 02:06 PM
p.4 #11A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Honestly even cropping a bit off would really not get under my skin. 15 is pretty dang wide. Problem is we have very few options here and I'm not wanting to spend 3k on the Zeiss and bigger for maybe a marginal increase in IQ. Interesting
Aug 28, 2015 at 02:07 PM
p.4 #12A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Here are 2 comparisons between my copy of the 15III vs TS-E 17mm f/4L. It's a torture test though and very few lenses will perform well. Infinity focus
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.
Infinity extreme edge (TOP LEFT)
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.
Infinity extreme edge (TOP LEFT)
Aug 28, 2015 at 02:43 PM
p.4 #13A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
I would do the same. Cropping is no big deal since it's a very small amount
Aug 28, 2015 at 02:59 PM
p.4 #14A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are 2 comparisons between my copy of the 15III vs TS-E 17mm f/4L. It's a torture test though and very few lenses will perform well. To avoid any field curvature variable, I focused these samples on the very corner. (best of 3)
One at infinity and the other at about 20 feet.
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.
Base on this, I would say the ZM 15 gives comparable performance to the TSE 17 at wider angle and one extra stop. It actually peaks at f/4 on film (mostly global contrast) and on digital, f/5.6 would give similar result as the f/8 you present here. So I sure hope Zeiss would come out with the Loxia version of it. IMO, it's better than the ZE/ZF version since it has less wavy field curvature (just gradually dropping off at the edge), more filter-friendly option at 72mm, smaller and lighter with cooler looking design. Distortion at infinity is less noticeable than the ZE/ZF 21.
f/5.6 Corner
Here are 2 comparisons between my copy of the 15III vs TS-E 17mm f/4L. It's a torture test though and very few lenses will perform well. To avoid any field curvature variable, I focused these samples on the very corner. (best of 3)
One at infinity and the other at about 20 feet.
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.
Base on this, I would say the ZM 15 gives comparable performance to the TSE 17 at wider angle and one extra stop. It actually peaks at f/4 on film (mostly global contrast) and on digital, f/5.6 would give similar result as the f/8 you present here. So I sure hope Zeiss would come out with the Loxia version of it. IMO, it's better than the ZE/ZF version since it has less wavy field curvature (just gradually dropping off at the edge), more filter-friendly option at 72mm, smaller and lighter with cooler looking design
. Distortion at infinity is less noticeable than the ZE/ZF 21.f/5.6 Corner
Aug 28, 2015 at 03:30 PM
p.4 #15A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
hiepphotog wrote:
One at infinity and the other at about 20 feet.
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.Base on this, I would say the ZM 15 gives comparable performance to the TSE 17 at wider angle and one extra stop. It actually peaks at f/4 on film (mostly global contrast) and on digital, f/5.6 would give similar result as the f/8 you present here. So I sure hope Zeiss would come out with the Loxia version of it. IMO, it's better than the ZE/ZF version since it has less wavy field curvature (just gradually dropping off at the edge), more filter-friendly option at 72mm, smaller and lighter with cooler looking design . Distortion at infinity is less...Show more →
Let's hope they design that Loxia 15/2.8, or even a more compact 15/3.5.
Fred Miranda wrote
Here are 2 comparisons between my copy of the 15III vs TS-E 17mm f/4L. It's a torture test though and very few lenses will perform well. To avoid any field curvature variable, I focused these samples on the very corner. (best of 3)One at infinity and the other at about 20 feet.
It's a big difference but once you start moving from the extreme edges, the lens start to show way more resolution at the edges. It's a great little lens and I intend to keep it but there will be so cropping on my final images.
. Distortion at infinity is less...Show more →Let's hope they design that Loxia 15/2.8, or even a more compact 15/3.5.
Aug 28, 2015 at 04:02 PM
p.4 #16A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Thanks. It was an old 58mm Tiffen circular filter, most probably this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-Circular-Polarizer-Glass-Filter/dp/B00007LA0T/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440802465&sr=8-1&keywords=tiffen+58mm+polarizer
HarryBek wrote:
Nice photos Serhan. What polarizer are you using on the Voigt?
http://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-Circular-Polarizer-Glass-Filter/dp/B00007LA0T/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440802465&sr=8-1&keywords=tiffen+58mm+polarizer
HarryBek wrote:
Nice photos Serhan. What polarizer are you using on the Voigt?
Aug 28, 2015 at 05:03 PM
p.4 #17A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Guy, I wish you would learn to park your Volkswagens properly
Aug 28, 2015 at 06:51 PM
p.4 #18A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Got the 15 III. Very, very nice. A little falloff at the extremes, as Fred noted on his but not much and it is fine with me. I don't see it on normal size. A well made lens and very well corrected. I do wish it was a little faster.
Aug 28, 2015 at 06:59 PM
p.4 #19A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Maybe a bit a copy variation is at play. Mine does show some sharpness fall-off at the extreme corners, but it's not that much.
Here's a set of test shots (same subject at the 21/4) wide open on a7RII
Full Scene - f/4.5
Upper Left Corner Full Image
Center
Here's a set of test shots (same subject at the 21/4) wide open on a7RII
Full Scene - f/4.5
Upper Left Corner Full Image
Center
Aug 28, 2015 at 08:04 PM
p.4 #20A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses
Here's the same corner and center, but at f/8
Upper Left Corner f/8
Center f/8
Upper Left Corner f/8
Center f/8
Aug 28, 2015 at 08:07 PM