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Archive 2015 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

My humble examples on a7:

http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/cv_super_wide_heliar_15mm_f45_iii

Aug 26, 2015 at 10:24 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

One from this evening as the sun was setting over the Olympics - 15/4.5-III VM.

Some Deep Shadow Recovery

Aug 27, 2015 at 03:26 AM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Uhoh7: I thought the claim was for the new version of the 21/4. Is yours the new or the screwmount version?

uhoh7 wrote:
Sry, I don't believe it. Not personal, but if the 35/2.5 is terrible as has been reported, it's very hard to believe the 21 has good performance.

But I'm happy to be mistaken. A good infinity landscape with distant details across the frame is really the only way to tell.

The "test shots" which began this thread are no measure of lens performance with the issues these sensors have. Again no offense, always appreciate ebookman. Foreground is way too close. Please take the time to get up on a hill over something and be sure the foreground is at least 50 meters...Show more →

Aug 27, 2015 at 08:01 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Pretty sure there's no optical difference between ltm and m mount versions of the 21/4, just like the ltm and m mount versions of the original 15/4.5 are the same, the new 15 'v3' is a new design. Maybe there will be a new design 21/4 one day, but as its taken pretty well a year to get the new 35/1.7 to the market I'm not holding my breath.

Gerry

Aug 27, 2015 at 09:48 AM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Convinced me! I saw Adorama was out of stock so I went to B&H's website and just picked up a 9+ condition VC15 III on B&H for $629! Perfect timing if I do say so myself

Aug 27, 2015 at 07:50 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Timing is everything!

Aug 27, 2015 at 08:35 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

millsart wrote:
Convinced me! I saw Adorama was out of stock so I went to B&H's website and just picked up a 9+ condition VC15 III on B&H for $629! Perfect timing if I do say so myself

Nice!

I'm just starting to use mine, but so far so good - especially for how compact it is (even though it's bigger than the -II version):

15mm Rectilinear Wide!

Aug 27, 2015 at 09:11 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

I did really like the compact size of the VII, but on my A7r, the color shift was so bad it was really only usable for b&w. Price was a fair bit lower too which was nice. I think I got mine for like $450 or so...

That said, if a little increase in size and a few hundred extra dollars gives me a lens that is far more usable I think it should be a good trade off overall.

Haven't handled the new version in person, but certainly will seem smaller than the 16-35 I'm betting.

Aug 27, 2015 at 09:35 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

millsart wrote:
I did really like the compact size of the VII, but on my A7r, the color shift was so bad it was really only usable for b&w. Price was a fair bit lower too which was nice. I think I got mine for like $450 or so...

That said, if a little increase in size and a few hundred extra dollars gives me a lens that is far more usable I think it should be a good trade off overall.

Haven't handled the new version in person, but certainly will seem smaller than the 16-35 I'm betting.

I too was put off by the significant (relatively speaking) size increase of the -III over the -II. But after seeing the optical improvements of the -III, handling both of them side-by-side, and using the -III a bit I'm pretty happy. Yes, keeping the small size of the -II would have been fantastic, but you can't have everything.

Hiking with the -III today on the A7RII its size/weight was just not an issue at all.

Aug 27, 2015 at 09:52 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Back to the 21/4VM - here's a set of images I took on my A7RII - I messed up and had it set at 800ISO, so not the best examples, but I hope it give a sense of what this lens can do on the A7RII. I did use ACR with the Voigtlander 21/4M lens profile.

I had limited time to give it a quick test, so these are not the best you could do - so take it with these caveats.

As I previously stated, it's actually pretty good. Not 15/4.5-III good, but pretty good for such a small lens. Flare and ghosting is another story as you can see . . .

Full Image, f/4.0

Upper Left Full Crop

Upper Right Full Crop

Sensor Reflections, Flare, and Ghosting Are Not So Good f/8

Aug 27, 2015 at 11:18 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

jhinkey wrote:
Nice!

I'm just starting to use mine, but so far so good - especially for how compact it is (even though it's bigger than the -II version):

Beautiful image! I can imagine that mountain is much closer than it appears with such wide angle.

Aug 28, 2015 at 02:08 AM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

I know Sony cameras are renowned for sensor reflections shooting into a light source but is it lens specific as I noticed that the other image posted above (CV 15 III) into the sun is reflection free?

Aug 28, 2015 at 03:59 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

A7 II+CV 15mm III+polarizer:


	http://www.pbase.com/sc_20170/image/159897508/original.jpg


	http://www.pbase.com/sc_20170/image/159897507/original.jpg

Aug 28, 2015 at 05:55 AM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Nice photos Serhan. What polarizer are you using on the Voigt?

Aug 28, 2015 at 09:23 AM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

I just got the new CV15III and from my infinity tests, extreme edges are noticeably smeared. If I would crop the image to say 16-17mm, the lens performs very well at all apertures but corners are still only optimum at f/11.
LCA is high on this lens but gets somewhat cleaned up in LR but not completely.

Aug 28, 2015 at 12:01 PM

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Aug 28, 2015 at 12:09 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Fred Miranda wrote:
I just got the new CV15III and from my infinity tests, extreme edges are noticeably smeared. If I would crop the image to say 16-17mm, the lens performs very well at all apertures but corners are still only optimum at f/11.
LCA is high on this lens but gets somewhat cleaned up in LR but not completely.

Fred, did you do that on the A7r or A7r II? Just curious. I did some tests of that lens owned by another FMer locally. The distance I had was about 20 feet or so, for sure not at infinity. I did it on my A7 II back then and it fared well, I would say. I didn't see much smearing at wide open. It got noticeably better at f/8. Another thing I noticed, it is quite a bit wider than my FE 16-35 at 16mm.

Aug 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

I compared it to the 16-35/4 and TS-E 17L. The edges look great, even better than the 16-35/4 at 16mm. However, extreme edges look noticeably blurry. I will post some crops. Hang on...

Aug 28, 2015 at 12:28 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

As you can see from above, it's somewhat smeared towards the last mm but it actually starts to look better as we move from the extreme edges.

I will post a sample from the edge instead of extreme edge to show this better...

Aug 28, 2015 at 12:45 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · A7RII Voigtlander 15/4.5 and 21/4 wide angle lenses

Outside of the extreme edge (same images as above). This is the 'edge' at f/8 and the CV 15III looks actually sharper now.
That's why I wrote that the CV15III image cropped as a 17mm lens is excellent on the entire frame.

Aug 28, 2015 at 12:49 PM

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