molson wrote:
No mention if the new Sony is still crippled with 11-bit compressed JRAW files... if it is, Canon still gets my $$$.
Does anyone have examples showing, not talking about, why this matters?
I've seen so many incredible photos on this site, taken by all sorts of cameras, that it makes me wonder if it matters?
snapsy wrote:
dpreview is reporting that the new PDAF will work with the Canon metabones adapter (link):
"Agreed. PDAF works with Canon lenses via Metabones adapter, and A-mount lenses via the LA-E3. We're checking to see if you actually get the full AF coverage with subject tracking, but for now, consider our minds blown. "
If this is true, my mind truly is blown and I am a 6/17 preordering.
Chris
This thing looks pretty impressive. Especially given what I have heard about its predecessor.
It's kind of sad that as a Canon user I have to come to this forum now to read about a truly interesting new camera announcement. It's been the better part of a decade since Canon really innovated in the body department. Sure there's a 50 MP body coming out, but it's still pretty evolutionary.
I haven't bought a new body in quite a while. I have a good assortment of Canon glass and really don't like the idea of fiddling with adapters, but even I am starting to wonder if it is time to show Canon my displeasure with their laurel-sitting the only way that matters.
charlesk wrote:
This thing looks pretty impressive. Especially given what I have heard about its predecessor.
It's kind of sad that as a Canon user I have to come to this forum now to read about a truly interesting new camera announcement. It's been the better part of a decade since Canon really innovated in the body department. Sure there's a 50 MP body coming out, but it's still pretty evolutionary.
I haven't bought a new body in quite a while. I have a good assortment of Canon glass and really don't like the idea of fiddling with adapters, but even I am starting to wonder if it is time to show Canon my displeasure with their laurel-sitting the only way that matters....Show more →
sell it all and walk into the light !
it's a lot more fun and sometimes it's amazing how moving to a new platform invigorates the creativity !
alundeb wrote:
The faster AF with Canon lenses is highly doubtful via the Metabones adapter.
The weight advantage if you add the Metabones adapter and a needed battery is reduced to a mere 100g, almost gone.
Hence, I said it's only a possibility with the AF. We'll have to see; too bad, Sony can't openly support such adapter development. As for weight, with Canon, you're stuck with a heavy and big system regardless. With Sony, you have choices: going extremely small, light, and compact (RF lenses), middle ground in bulk (FE native), or similar size and weight (DSLR lenses). If that is not really versatile, I don't know what is.
EDIT: This is just in from dpreview:"PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal - especially for Canon users. We've used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed."
A bit more than what I was hoping it would go for, but looks like the bank account will have to deal with it. Except for the extra MP, it seems to have all that I could want.
ecarlino wrote:
sell it all and walk into the light !
it's a lot more fun and sometimes it's amazing how moving to a new platform invigorates the creativity !
Starting over would be an expensive proposition for a semi-pro (at best) who right now doesn't make much on his photography.
But when it comes time for a new body I am seriously going to look at the Sony. I've been a Canon digital shooter since 2003 but I have run out of patience for a company that I think no longer cares about innovation.
alundeb wrote:
The faster AF with Canon lenses is highly doubtful via the Metabones adapter.
The weight advantage if you add the Metabones adapter and a needed battery is reduced to a mere 100g, almost gone.
I suspect there will be 'faster' (than the A7r) AF with the new sensor due to the phase detect sensors. I had the A7 and moved up to the A7r and there was a noticeable decrease in the AF performance with the Metabones IV. I would suspect that a move to the A7rII will increase the performance back to the slow but possibly usable level.
CVickery wrote:
I suspect there will be 'faster' (than the A7r) AF with the new sensor due to the phase detect sensors. I had the A7 and moved up to the A7r and there was a noticeable decrease in the AF performance with the Metabones IV. I would suspect that a move to the A7rII will increase the performance back to the slow but possible usable level.
Those are more realistic expectations. I don't think native Canon AF is obsolote yet....
jhinkey wrote:
I assume this means there is a fully electronic shutter mode. Love it!
I will be pre-ordering a camera for the first time in my life.
Now Nikon, what are you going to do?
Yes, full e-shutter a.k.a silent mode is listed as a feature on the official site. Sony really knows how to differentiate their A7 series. This is even a big step forward compared to the A7II. Then next year, 2MM (million) ISO A7sII, night vision goggles are over-rated .
I am really excited about this camera. Essentially I can use all of my canon glass with great AF on this body and also keep the excellent 55mm and perhaps another small prime (28mm) for when I'm traveling light. Unless Sony really messed something up, this will be my only FF body.
I wonder how this AF compares to the A6000? It's got more points, but isn't the A6000 AF more than 40% faster than the A7R AF?
riotshield wrote:
On the DPReview spec sheet under file formats, it says "RAW (ARW 2.3)." Unless it's a new version, ARW 2.3 is the lossy compression used in current Sony cameras. Just wondering if there's going to be a lossless option.
imaging-resource was at the presser and were checking comments on their website during their live blog and they replied to my inquiry regarding any changes to the compression, which was one of my main concerns from the a7r - unfortunately, Sony confirmed that the files will be the same: lossy compression.
i know there has been too much discussion on this topic over the past year(s) already, but i really wish Sony would at least address this publicly (i.e. why they don't offer a lossless compression option).
Schlotkins wrote:
I wonder how this AF compares to the A6000? It's got more points, but isn't the A6000 AF more than 40% faster than the A7R AF?
Chris
This is what I'm seeing- this camera may well replace a lot of landscape shooter's D800's and will very likely be more attractive than the even more expensive 5Ds cameras for many, but 50% faster AF than the A7r isn't a lot to write home about.
Better? Absolutely! But next to a 5D III or D750/D800? Not likely up to par.
Thinking about it further- Sony hasn't 'ruggedized' this body, they haven't upped the battery capacity, and with the AF being a minor (relative to the field) improvement, it looks like they've left room for that 'Pro A9' series camera.
As for the A7r II itself- I'm excited. Sony is working hard to refine these bodies into universal tools while trimming the quirks quite effectively as they go.
It's not high res but there's a shot on the Sony site of an opera house with lights all the way to the edge and close to some corners. Not a spot of the greenish flare we've come to love on the A7 and A7r. I don't know if the BSI has something to do with that, or a change to the cover glass, or some combo, but it looks promising... http://www.sony.net/Products/di_photo_gallery/?mode=body&camera=ilc&mount=E-mount&ilc=%CE%B17R%20ll&no=0150
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