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Natron wrote:
 Are you serious? You have to show police officers your ID when asked for it. You do not have to show anyone at department stores your ID. If you don't want to, you don't have to. You won't get your merchandise but you won't be arrested or fined either. You may want to think this through a bit more...
I am serious, its the exact same thing. He didnt have to show his ID to the security guard (that is who you are talking about as a normal citizen I assume) and gues what, there were consequences. Just as in my example the consequences are that I dont get to buy my product, in this case the consequence was that he got hassled and didnt get his photos.
But, in my case if I show the cashier my ID I get my stuff, in his case had he just shown the security guard his ID, he likely would have been left alone.
Natron wrote:
Hardly relevant to this situation though, really. That would be the equivalent of an officer walking past him, asking "so what are you up to today?" and then moving on. What would have been the equivalent to his experience in your situation would have been if the cops had stopped you and had you step out of the car, had you place your hands on the hood, called 5 or so other officers in as backup, they all surrounded you, they asked if the car was stolen, accuse you of illegally modifying the car, telling you you broke traffic laws by not having factory wheels or springs which would be an outright lie, repeating that someone matching your description had stolen a car in NYC once a couple years back so they have a right to stop and question/accuse you, etc etc.. and then finally let you go without anything more severe happening because, obviously, you did nothing wrong. THAT would leave a sour taste in your mouth and I doubt you'd be glad they were so careful with their dealings with you.
I think many here enjoy their hobby and just don't want to be frightened to walk out the door to try to enjoy taking artistic photographs for the afternoon....Show more →
Again, I say its almost exactly the same. Sure, me driving in the car is not the same, but when we have been stopped we were questioned and asked for ID. Thats the same. Again, I would allow them to do their search and all is well, in his case he caused a problem and acted stupidly and he got hassled for it. Point is we were profiled for having hot cars and being young. And yes, it was because at that time it was not as common as it is today and often young kids in hot cars WERE trouble makers.
None of what you described happened to this guy either. He wasnt made to stand against tthe car with his hands behind his back. He wasnt cuffed or taken in or even really harrassed that badly. He was asked some questions and asked for his ID. The more he resisted the more crap they gave him. C'mon, look at what you are doing. The more crap we defenders give you back the more upset you get and talk back. Its the same thing. The more he talked back, the more the guards and cops took it personally and gave him more crap back. Its human. Like I said before, he needs to chill out, he should have rolled with the punches and just given them what they asked for right off the bat and he would not have had the issues he did, I'm confident of that.
I'm not totally defending the cops, they can be assholes and have severe power trips. But they are also doing a job. My reaction is to instead of causing them more grief, which will inevitebly come back on you, kill them with kindness. Dont give them a reason to hassle you and you will not get hassled. Every photog I personally know that has been hassled for shooting photos is a hothead and generally an idiot. They bring it on themselves 99% of the time.
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