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 p.9 #19 · Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount | |
swldstn wrote:
I't took me awhile to catch up to this thread but I guess I will just re-state some thoughts I had on dpreview.
I was surprised to see the Batis announcement of FE lenses with AF similar in concept to the Touits for APS-C. Does that mean that Loxia concept is dead? I had hoped for the 25 or 21mm Loxia to go with the 35/2 and 50/2 but will that ever happen now with the Batis 25/2?
I agree that an 85/1.8 and 25/2 are needed I just don't want another theme introduced to distract from a consistent set of lenses. This is fragmenting the market in the sense that the feel and approach to these lenses are all different. I'm a big fan on consistency when it comes to lens families. The ZM family with 15, 18, 21, 25, 35, 50, and 85 is what I want to see for Sony, by Zeiss, with the Loxia, or even if it had been Batis I could understand but what is Zeiss up to?
I understand its two different products with different user focus literately (AF vs MF) but having two lenses in two product lines is less preferable to me than 4 in one product line. As I mentioned before Touit has 3, Loxia 2, Batis 2, and Otis 2. Will it be 2018 before any of these get to 5 (21-25, 35, 50, 85, 135) lenses in any of these family? That's not what I thought I was buying into when I got the two Loxia lenses. I ended up abandoning the Touits on Fuji for that reason. Too littlt and it was taking too long. Fortunately Fuji was taking that approach.
I agree I can adapt and when I first rushed into Sony for the A7R I planned to adapt my ZM lens (own 2.8/28, 2/35, 2/50, 1.5/50, 4/85 and CV 4.5/15) but of course the quality for wasn't there. So I was thrilled when I saw the Loxia and jumped in and got both the 2/35 and 2/50. It would be great if the next is a 21mm. I own the ZE 21mm and 18mm on my Canon and its a focal length I really like (have 14mm on my Fuji-X as well). If that happens I will be all set from 21 to 50. Then I could see buying a Batis 1.8/85 for portraits since AF is really nice there.
Above that I have the ZE 100mm f/2 and Nikon 135mm f/2.8 AIS that adapt really well.
Why can't we get Zeiss to commit to a roadmap? Should I buy Batis without knowing what's coming next? Did that for Loxia and I may learn to regret it. And if there are only two members of the Loxia family how good wil the resale value be. This process for me has been frustrating because I really wanted Loxia to continue.
Maybe I can get lucky and have Zeiss make some kind of statement about the future of Loxia. After all in interviews they stated that more would be coming but are they backing away from this position or continuing to endorse it?...Show more →
it sounds like your problem is, as you stated several times, you "rushed' into things.
I'm not sure why your expectations were what they were, but we are all watching sausage being made. and yes, it may be until 2018 or beyond that we have several complete lines, that's the way it goes.
I'm not an expert on manufacturing, but I imagine there's a certain method to the madness of building out production and getting it right and even though I'd love for every line to have 6 great primes already, that's not practical.
at this point, it's possible none of us are perfectly happy - I've spent too much time on FM being upset about the choices made at the 35mm foc len, but the reality is that between Zeiss and Sony (and hopefully soon enough Sigma) they are releasing new lenses (and lines) at a relatively rapid pace.
I also think that the success of the a7, full-mount-mirrorless, surprised everyone - and they've probably changed directions a bit over the past 2 years. It highlights the risks of getting it wrong (e.g. Zeiss with Touit) and why the mfgs won't rush into any new format.
it appears Zeiss will have an AF and MF lineup and Sony will have 2 or 3 levels of primes and 2 (3?) levels of zoom. In a few yeas, there will be a ton of choices for everyone. you are bummed about having bought 2 lenses - imagine having invested a tens of millions dollars (or however much it costs) on two new LINES of lenses!
in the meantime, don't get your panties in a wad, because you're an early adopter. I'm still unsure of the direction which is why I've been buying used or renting before going down the aisle. with Nikon, I owned and sold $30k + of stuff but I bought quality and it held its value (especially the glass). Sony resale prices are not as stable yet, which is why one should be more cautious or tempered with their expectations.
Edited on Apr 24, 2015 at 09:23 AM · View previous versions
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