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p.23 #1Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Charlie N wrote:
At 335 grams, it is only 75 grams heavier and might fit more hands better than the tiny M lens. Add an adapter and it's much the same. It also has less persistent vignetting, one of the major problems with symmetric wide angles. Distortion - Batis 25 is maximum of 1.6% barrel (native), the Leica is just on 1.0%, and both have the same pretty benign pattern.
The MTF of the Batis indicates it'll make for a very good lens by f2.8 and is not at all shabby at f2, very even performance here too but at a lower level, of course. So versatility is a very strong point for the new lens, as is AF for some circumstances, and it's a Zeiss Distagon, moisture resistant, focuses to 7.9 inches. Couldn't find the number of aperture blades.
The Batis 25/2 is $1300, the Leica 24/3.8 goes for $2330.I've been lusting for leica glass, but sensor stack issues have been holding me back, not to mention price!
the 16-35 vs WATE.... significant size difference, however batis 25/2 not as bad, and major bonus points being an F2 lens..... that just puts it over the leica IMO.
Exciting stuff from sony for sure, the future is looking real good, pretty good as is.There are several ways to go that I think come mostly down to personal preference. For me I will probably get the Kolari mod and go with a Leica M set with a 25 Zeiss ZM f/2.8, a 50 Zeiss ZM f/2; and a Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. All enough smaller than the AF alternatives to make a difference to me and all good enough IQ to satisfy my needs and the cost will be a bit less than the AF alternatives if I am patient buying used. In my house, however, my wife will definitely be going the AF route. For her it will probably be the 16-35, the 55, and the Batis 85, but she might get the 25 Batis over the 16-35 if it is good enough. There now is starting to become a lot of good choices.the mod might be worthwhile anyhow with M mounts, and I may consider it myself, however 25 ZM vs 25 batis.... weight wise, only 70g difference, not including adapter, for 1 stop of light! The batis will be a fatter lens, however I dont think it's much longer. The size of the 25 batis seems really good.
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.The ZM will be just a bit over 8mm shorter with the adapter than the Batis, but will be about 28mm skinnier and that is a big difference. The weight difference won't be that large. This is generally what you find in comparing MF and AF lenses. The MF lenses are smaller and especially skinnier, but don't weigh that much less. AF lenses need to be fatter to accommodate the AF motor and need to be lighter to allow the AF motor to move the parts quickly. For my kit, I will just get one helicoid adapter so the weight of the adapter will be spread across three lenses (at first and more later) and won't add much when considered in that way.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.wait, so the leica will work with the helicoid? I dont technically need macro, just the incidental flower shots for the ol lady. I'de probably be fine with 1:3 or 1:4 even. I was under the impression that 90mm's dont work with close focus adapters.
Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
philip_pj wrote
We have talked a fair bit about the 85mm but the 25mm will likely sell very well to a wide range of users. Looking at Lloyd's data sheets, in MTF terms it's only down perhaps 5% from the truly great Super Elmar 24/3.8 at f4 onwards to f8, and both are excellent across the frame. It has a fair bit of astigmatism but very likely no real CA given the glass selection, and the Leica has a bit of curvature.At 335 grams, it is only 75 grams heavier and might fit more hands better than the tiny M lens. Add an adapter and it's much the same. It also has less persistent vignetting, one of the major problems with symmetric wide angles. Distortion - Batis 25 is maximum of 1.6% barrel (native), the Leica is just on 1.0%, and both have the same pretty benign pattern.
The MTF of the Batis indicates it'll make for a very good lens by f2.8 and is not at all shabby at f2, very even performance here too but at a lower level, of course. So versatility is a very strong point for the new lens, as is AF for some circumstances, and it's a Zeiss Distagon, moisture resistant, focuses to 7.9 inches. Couldn't find the number of aperture blades.
The Batis 25/2 is $1300, the Leica 24/3.8 goes for $2330.
the 16-35 vs WATE.... significant size difference, however batis 25/2 not as bad, and major bonus points being an F2 lens..... that just puts it over the leica IMO.
Exciting stuff from sony for sure, the future is looking real good, pretty good as is.
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.
Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.
May 05, 2015 at 08:19 PM
p.23 #2Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Steve Spencer wrote:
the 16-35 vs WATE.... significant size difference, however batis 25/2 not as bad, and major bonus points being an F2 lens..... that just puts it over the leica IMO.
Exciting stuff from sony for sure, the future is looking real good, pretty good as is.There are several ways to go that I think come mostly down to personal preference. For me I will probably get the Kolari mod and go with a Leica M set with a 25 Zeiss ZM f/2.8, a 50 Zeiss ZM f/2; and a Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. All enough smaller than the AF alternatives to make a difference to me and all good enough IQ to satisfy my needs and the cost will be a bit less than the AF alternatives if I am patient buying used. In my house, however, my wife will definitely be going the AF route. For her it will probably be the 16-35, the 55, and the Batis 85, but she might get the 25 Batis over the 16-35 if it is good enough. There now is starting to become a lot of good choices.the mod might be worthwhile anyhow with M mounts, and I may consider it myself, however 25 ZM vs 25 batis.... weight wise, only 70g difference, not including adapter, for 1 stop of light! The batis will be a fatter lens, however I dont think it's much longer. The size of the 25 batis seems really good.
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.The ZM will be just a bit over 8mm shorter with the adapter than the Batis, but will be about 28mm skinnier and that is a big difference. The weight difference won't be that large. This is generally what you find in comparing MF and AF lenses. The MF lenses are smaller and especially skinnier, but don't weigh that much less. AF lenses need to be fatter to accommodate the AF motor and need to be lighter to allow the AF motor to move the parts quickly. For my kit, I will just get one helicoid adapter so the weight of the adapter will be spread across three lenses (at first and more later) and won't add much when considered in that way.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.wait, so the leica will work with the helicoid? I dont technically need macro, just the incidental flower shots for the ol lady. I'de probably be fine with 1:3 or 1:4 even. I was under the impression that 90mm's dont work with close focus adapters.Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.
+1
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
I've been lusting for leica glass, but sensor stack issues have been holding me back, not to mention price!the 16-35 vs WATE.... significant size difference, however batis 25/2 not as bad, and major bonus points being an F2 lens..... that just puts it over the leica IMO.
Exciting stuff from sony for sure, the future is looking real good, pretty good as is.
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.
+1
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
May 05, 2015 at 08:55 PM
p.23 #3Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
sebboh wrote:
the mod might be worthwhile anyhow with M mounts, and I may consider it myself, however 25 ZM vs 25 batis.... weight wise, only 70g difference, not including adapter, for 1 stop of light! The batis will be a fatter lens, however I dont think it's much longer. The size of the 25 batis seems really good.
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.The ZM will be just a bit over 8mm shorter with the adapter than the Batis, but will be about 28mm skinnier and that is a big difference. The weight difference won't be that large. This is generally what you find in comparing MF and AF lenses. The MF lenses are smaller and especially skinnier, but don't weigh that much less. AF lenses need to be fatter to accommodate the AF motor and need to be lighter to allow the AF motor to move the parts quickly. For my kit, I will just get one helicoid adapter so the weight of the adapter will be spread across three lenses (at first and more later) and won't add much when considered in that way.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.wait, so the leica will work with the helicoid? I dont technically need macro, just the incidental flower shots for the ol lady. I'de probably be fine with 1:3 or 1:4 even. I was under the impression that 90mm's dont work with close focus adapters.Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.+1
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
thanks for the sample (that's plenty close for me), I can already see my money and I parting ways
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
There are several ways to go that I think come mostly down to personal preference. For me I will probably get the Kolari mod and go with a Leica M set with a 25 Zeiss ZM f/2.8, a 50 Zeiss ZM f/2; and a Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. All enough smaller than the AF alternatives to make a difference to me and all good enough IQ to satisfy my needs and the cost will be a bit less than the AF alternatives if I am patient buying used. In my house, however, my wife will definitely be going the AF route. For her it will probably be the 16-35, the 55, and the Batis 85, but she might get the 25 Batis over the 16-35 if it is good enough. There now is starting to become a lot of good choices.as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
thanks for the sample (that's plenty close for me), I can already see my money and I parting ways
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
May 05, 2015 at 09:00 PM
p.23 #4Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Charlie N wrote:
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.The ZM will be just a bit over 8mm shorter with the adapter than the Batis, but will be about 28mm skinnier and that is a big difference. The weight difference won't be that large. This is generally what you find in comparing MF and AF lenses. The MF lenses are smaller and especially skinnier, but don't weigh that much less. AF lenses need to be fatter to accommodate the AF motor and need to be lighter to allow the AF motor to move the parts quickly. For my kit, I will just get one helicoid adapter so the weight of the adapter will be spread across three lenses (at first and more later) and won't add much when considered in that way.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.wait, so the leica will work with the helicoid? I dont technically need macro, just the incidental flower shots for the ol lady. I'de probably be fine with 1:3 or 1:4 even. I was under the impression that 90mm's dont work with close focus adapters.Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.+1
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpgthanks for the sample (that's plenty close for me), I can already see my money and I parting ways
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
sure, should work just as well in terms of focus distance. no idea how it effects optical quality of the 90AA, but the AA starts out better corrected.
sebboh wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
the mod might be worthwhile anyhow with M mounts, and I may consider it myself, however 25 ZM vs 25 batis.... weight wise, only 70g difference, not including adapter, for 1 stop of light! The batis will be a fatter lens, however I dont think it's much longer. The size of the 25 batis seems really good.as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
sure, should work just as well in terms of focus distance. no idea how it effects optical quality of the 90AA, but the AA starts out better corrected.
May 05, 2015 at 10:05 PM
p.23 #5Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I briefly tried a 90AA with my Hawk's, and there was no problem at all. I owned a 75 AA, and it was the same. The character of the lens may change just a bit, and it is easier if the lens has a longer focus throw, but that's it.
May 05, 2015 at 11:35 PM
p.23 #6Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I use a Hawk's v3 with a 90/2.5 Summarit and works just fine. I haven't tried any macro-like shots, I simply use it to bring the rather long MFD of the Summarit into SLR lens territory for tight head shots.
May 06, 2015 at 12:30 AM
p.23 #7Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Can anyone venture a guess as to whether Zeiss would do a 50mm Batis in next 12 months or whether Sony would do a faster normal lens than its 55mm (say a 50/1.4 or 1.2)?
May 06, 2015 at 12:43 AM
p.23 #8Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
contaxzeiss wrote:
Can anyone venture a guess as to whether Zeiss would do a 50mm Batis in next 12 months or whether Sony would do a faster normal lens than its 55mm (say a 50/1.4 or 1.2)?
My guess is no.
Can anyone venture a guess as to whether Zeiss would do a 50mm Batis in next 12 months or whether Sony would do a faster normal lens than its 55mm (say a 50/1.4 or 1.2)?
My guess is no.
May 06, 2015 at 01:04 AM
p.23 #9Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
wolfoid, I don't work for anyone these days, but I reserve the right to be enthusiastic about what I see as the most interesting development in many years in photography. Some people prefer to 'play the man and not the ball' as we say here in Oz. You might be one of them. Being a guy who does not need approval for his self esteem, I take no offense at most anything online - and deal with issues, data and verifiable information, and try to provide the same on occasion.
Getting into internet aggravation in cyberspace is just weird, some people...Show more →
It was a simple question and a simple yes, or no would have sufficed. You make very many assumptions.
Getting into internet aggravation in cyberspace is just weird, some people...Show more →
It was a simple question and a simple yes, or no would have sufficed. You make very many assumptions.
May 06, 2015 at 05:05 AM
p.23 #10Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Charlie N wrote:
as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.The ZM will be just a bit over 8mm shorter with the adapter than the Batis, but will be about 28mm skinnier and that is a big difference. The weight difference won't be that large. This is generally what you find in comparing MF and AF lenses. The MF lenses are smaller and especially skinnier, but don't weigh that much less. AF lenses need to be fatter to accommodate the AF motor and need to be lighter to allow the AF motor to move the parts quickly. For my kit, I will just get one helicoid adapter so the weight of the adapter will be spread across three lenses (at first and more later) and won't add much when considered in that way.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.wait, so the leica will work with the helicoid? I dont technically need macro, just the incidental flower shots for the ol lady. I'de probably be fine with 1:3 or 1:4 even. I was under the impression that 90mm's dont work with close focus adapters.Yeah, it works just fine with the helicoid. The 90s do work with the current phi lament adapter, but they work with the helicoid adapters as I understand it. There are lots of shots on the big A7/A7r/A7s thread with helicoid adapters and 90mm lenses. The key to getting the high magnification, however, is combining a helicoid adapter with the Elpro 3 close up lens. I think it should work fine (it does on the R version of the lens), but I haven't tested it on the M version with the helicoid.+1
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpgthanks for the sample (that's plenty close for me), I can already see my money and I parting ways
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
Hi Charles,
Here is a shot of a rather small Cherry Tree and lichens taken with my tripod mounted A7r and my Leica M 90mm f2.5 Summarit and my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid; I haven't taken any actual measurements, but I believe that I can focus this up to about 12" from the front of the lens. Yes this is the Summarit and not the 90mm AA and no Elpro was used. Image shot at f11 and processed in LR6. It is certainly a smaller and lighter package than my Leica R 100mm f2.8 Apo-Macro-Elmarit lens, but the Elmarit is more flexible and able to focus much closer with much greater magnification.
Rich
sebboh wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Charlie N wrote
the mod might be worthwhile anyhow with M mounts, and I may consider it myself, however 25 ZM vs 25 batis.... weight wise, only 70g difference, not including adapter, for 1 stop of light! The batis will be a fatter lens, however I dont think it's much longer. The size of the 25 batis seems really good.as far as the 90, I dont know specs offhand, but I think the F2's were always in the 500g mark, which is batis territory once again. However, if I am wrong with the specs, a 300g lens would be quite the savings.
I would like to strive for a similar lightweight kit, however my stuff is scattered a bit with the EF rok 14 (688g adapted ND Throttle), FE 24-70 (covers my 24, 482g with hood and filter), Voigtlander 40 F1.4 (248g adapted), Zeiss ZE 2/100 (883g adapted), OM 200/5 (489g adapted)
There's quite a bit of weight I can save if diligent about it. The rok 14 can be switched out with a CV 15, FE 24-70 for 25 batis, although I like the zoom so may not do the swap. There is no ZM 2/100 as I use macro, and F2 for portraits and lowlight often. Maybe a leica macro @ F2.8? havent researched the topic yet, however I really would have a hard time giving up that F2 or close focus ability. Batis 85 over the ze 100 would be a good amount of weight savings, however I sacrificed a lot of focal length as is to make it to 100mm...... I hate thinking about these small decisions in gear.
The Batis 85 will be quite close in size to the Leica M 90 f/2 Pre-AA. They will weigh almost the same amount (the Leica weighs just a bit more but it has a built in hood, so with hoods they would likely have almost identical weights). The Leica will be just over 3mm shorter with the adapter, and 17mm skinnier. So again we see that the MF lens isn't much lighter, only a little shorter, but a lot skinnier. One of the big advantages of the Leica M 90 Pre-AA, however, that you should consider is that it may let you replace your Zeiss ZE 100 f/2 MP. I hope it allows me to replace mine. With the helicoid adapter and the Leica R Elpro 3 (which was made for the very similar optically Leica R 90 f/2) you should be able to get close to 1:2 magnification. I know that I really liked the Leica R 90 f/2 with the Elpro 3 as a close up lens, so compared to the ZE 100 MP the Leica 90 f/2 will be a lot smaller. In weight, length, and diameter. So, you might want to consider that option as you develop your kit.
Good luck.
helicoid adapters work just fine on 90mm adapters, they just don't produce as much magnification and are more susceptible to tilt due to the greater weight.
here's how close you can focus with the 90 pre-asph + hawks adapter and no elpro:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16856470788_60f93275b7_o.jpg
any chance it works with the 90 asph? It's not completely off the table if it works.
Hi Charles,
Here is a shot of a rather small Cherry Tree and lichens taken with my tripod mounted A7r and my Leica M 90mm f2.5 Summarit and my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid; I haven't taken any actual measurements, but I believe that I can focus this up to about 12" from the front of the lens. Yes this is the Summarit and not the 90mm AA and no Elpro was used. Image shot at f11 and processed in LR6. It is certainly a smaller and lighter package than my Leica R 100mm f2.8 Apo-Macro-Elmarit lens, but the Elmarit is more flexible and able to focus much closer with much greater magnification.
Rich
May 06, 2015 at 05:17 AM
p.23 #11Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Contax, my money would be on a fast 50 at some stage, perhaps by Sony a la 35/1.4. The 50 field is a real problem for Sony a7 to make more 50s, since lots of people don't appreciate the value of high dollar 50s and can easily use an adapter and favorite legacy lens.
More likely, don't laugh, might be a 35-70 Batis zoom. An updated CY 35-70/3.4 would sell very well. Zeiss has form in either resurrecting old designs for new mounts (ZEF 35/50/85 at f1.4, and both Loxias) and may consider it.
More likely, don't laugh, might be a 35-70 Batis zoom. An updated CY 35-70/3.4 would sell very well. Zeiss has form in either resurrecting old designs for new mounts (ZEF 35/50/85 at f1.4, and both Loxias) and may consider it.
May 07, 2015 at 04:29 PM
p.23 #12Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I agree. Bring that 35-70 back. However, make it slightly faster (2.8), even if it has to be a 35-60! Would still cover all the arguments on what constitutes a normal lens (some do argue that 35mm is "normal" even on full frame, and others extol the exquisite FOV obtained from a 55mm or 58mm lens rather than a straight 50). So my dream Batis is actually 35-58/2.8 OSS!!
May 07, 2015 at 04:50 PM
p.23 #13Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Too be fair, it does seem to be a very loaded question you asked. Most times, that question is asked as an insult, due to the belief someome must be getting paid for their opinion. May not be the case. But there you go.
wolfloid wrote:
Getting into internet aggravation in cyberspace is just weird, some people just don't along, a fact of life. So here is a far better suggestion, one I sincerely recommend to you - see below each post, that HIDE ME button? On this very post of mine, please click it. I'll reciprocate with you right now. If you have more concerns to vent, PM me directly. And peace with be you, bro. ;-)It was a simple question and a simple yes, or no would have sufficed. You make very many assumptions.
wolfloid wrote:
Earlier quote
wolfoid, I don't work for anyone these days, but I reserve the right to be enthusiastic about what I see as the most interesting development in many years in photography. Some people prefer to 'play the man and not the ball' as we say here in Oz. You might be one of them. Being a guy who does not need approval for his self esteem, I take no offense at most anything online - and deal with issues, data and verifiable information, and try to provide the same on occasion.Getting into internet aggravation in cyberspace is just weird, some people just don't along, a fact of life. So here is a far better suggestion, one I sincerely recommend to you - see below each post, that HIDE ME button? On this very post of mine, please click it. I'll reciprocate with you right now. If you have more concerns to vent, PM me directly. And peace with be you, bro. ;-)
May 07, 2015 at 05:30 PM
p.23 #14Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Why would anyone see it as an insult? It's used to clear the air and provide perspective on the persons "opinion". It may not be the case, but might be, even if in some indirect way. Too many reviewers are "playing the ball, not the man", while keeping an eye on their pocketbook and ego.
The internet has influence on purchase decisions for cameras and lenses, and the manufacturers know it. They do what they can to get good press. There are people out there willing to give it to them as long as they get something in return.
The internet has influence on purchase decisions for cameras and lenses, and the manufacturers know it. They do what they can to get good press. There are people out there willing to give it to them as long as they get something in return.
May 08, 2015 at 06:30 PM
p.23 #15Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
pdmphoto wrote:
Why would anyone see it as an insult? It's used to clear the air and provide perspective on the persons "opinion". It may not be the case, but might be, even if in some indirect way. Too many reviewers are "playing the ball, not the man", while keeping an eye on their pocketbook and ego.
The internet has influence on purchase decisions for cameras and lenses, and the manufacturers know it. They do what they can to get good press. There are people out there willing to give it to them as long as they get something in return.
I Think here's why it comes across as insulting.
If someone did work for a camera maker, either they would disclose it clearly as some of the Sony Artisans or Canon Ambassadors. Or else it'd be undercover if that really happens. In either case you either wouldn't have to ask, or they wouldn't tell you the answer. So it's unlikely that anyone imagines that it's a serious question. So why ask? Only because you suspect they work for a manufacturer undercover and you want to share that suspicion. So when you ask it of a respected forum member, you get a bad response. If you say that you were merely asking for information we'll believe you, but maybe you can see now why that seems at first too naive to be plausible.
Why would anyone see it as an insult? It's used to clear the air and provide perspective on the persons "opinion". It may not be the case, but might be, even if in some indirect way. Too many reviewers are "playing the ball, not the man", while keeping an eye on their pocketbook and ego.
The internet has influence on purchase decisions for cameras and lenses, and the manufacturers know it. They do what they can to get good press. There are people out there willing to give it to them as long as they get something in return.
I Think here's why it comes across as insulting.
If someone did work for a camera maker, either they would disclose it clearly as some of the Sony Artisans or Canon Ambassadors. Or else it'd be undercover if that really happens. In either case you either wouldn't have to ask, or they wouldn't tell you the answer. So it's unlikely that anyone imagines that it's a serious question. So why ask? Only because you suspect they work for a manufacturer undercover and you want to share that suspicion. So when you ask it of a respected forum member, you get a bad response. If you say that you were merely asking for information we'll believe you, but maybe you can see now why that seems at first too naive to be plausible.
May 09, 2015 at 12:00 AM
p.23 #16Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I'm not talking about people who work for a camera maker. They are other more indirect relationships. Like the website owners who want to attract traffic to their site and/or those who get early/sample/freebie material from the manufacturers for their reviews and participation. And just because they may not be currently affiliated, doesn't mean they aren't doing there best to get there. If Sony is going to be the next Canon or Nikon (in their mind), they want in.
I have ran into more than one person one in forums, and on websites, who didn't readily disclose they are affiliated in some way with a manufacturer.
I have ran into more than one person one in forums, and on websites, who didn't readily disclose they are affiliated in some way with a manufacturer.
May 09, 2015 at 02:54 AM
p.23 #17Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
pdmphoto wrote:
I'm not talking about people who work for a camera maker. They are other more indirect relationships. Like the website owners who want to attract traffic to their site and/or those who get early/sample/freebie material from the manufacturers for their reviews and participation. And just because they may not be currently affiliated, doesn't mean they aren't doing there best to get there. If Sony is going to be the next Canon or Nikon (in their mind), they want in.
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But that's the point. If they don't readily disclose it they won't disclose it to you. So you can't be asking the question in any expectation of an answer. You'll either offend someone respected, or in the unlikely event that they do have such connections get no or an untrue answer. So the on,y possible reason to ask is not for the answer, but to flag your suspicion to others. Which is what is offensive if the person is beyond reproach.
May 09, 2015 at 03:11 AM
p.23 #18Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Just saw an informative video with Rich Schleuning (hope spelling is right) who impresses as a straight shooter, talking about Batis. It's over at SAR. Even Zeiss are impressed with image quality, Rich was 'bowled over' by the reception to the a7 series in a recent show he attended. As hoped, this is the 85mm counterpart to the FE55, Zeiss got a lot of requests for a portrait lens apparently, esp from wedding shooters now using a7 cameras. Reading between the lines Zeiss are working to 'fill in the gaps' in the lens range. Sony are moving away from APS-C, as many expected.
May 11, 2015 at 07:51 AM
p.23 #19Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I see no real point in making ApS size lenses except for maybe cost issues and that probably what Sony is thinking. They make cheap compacts that fill the inexpensive need and sell well. Besides that why compete with a APS when FF is selling so well. For every single one person that may balk at prices there are 2 people buying it regardless. Believe it or not photography as a hobby is not very expensive. Boating , motor cross Hobbes and others are far more expensive.
I have taught 27 workshops and trust me as the Pro I am seriously under geared by a country mile. They have far more expensive and a lot more than I have. It's kind of scary to be honest.
Seriously 1200 dollars for a lens is in realty considered cheap for this hobby. I know I hate spending money too but people drop 6k on a lens without blinking a eye in MF. Been there have the T shirt. Today I shoot Sony and what a bank account relieve it is. Lol
Price is totally subjective and I know folks have a real hard time with that when they don't want to spend the money. That's normal but moaning about it don't change the price. Wish it did.
I have taught 27 workshops and trust me as the Pro I am seriously under geared by a country mile. They have far more expensive and a lot more than I have. It's kind of scary to be honest.
Seriously 1200 dollars for a lens is in realty considered cheap for this hobby. I know I hate spending money too but people drop 6k on a lens without blinking a eye in MF. Been there have the T shirt. Today I shoot Sony and what a bank account relieve it is. Lol
Price is totally subjective and I know folks have a real hard time with that when they don't want to spend the money. That's normal but moaning about it don't change the price. Wish it did.
May 11, 2015 at 08:05 AM
p.23 #20Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
Lenses for APS-C makes sense for shorter focal lengths only. For Sony E mount there are:
Zooms: 10-18/4, 16-50/3.5-5.6, 16-70/4 (ZA), 18-55/3.5-5.6
Primes: 12/2.8 (Zeiss), 16/2.8, 20/2.8, 24/1.8 (ZA) 32/1.8 (Zeiss), 35/1.8, 50/2.8 macro (Zeiss)
There really is no shortage of wide to standard APS-C lenses for Sony E mount, and for longer focal lengthss full frame lenses will work just as well. Only short focal lenths will give a weigth and size saving, when designed for the APS-C format only. So I don't think that Sony has moved away from APS-C. It's still there.
Edit: added 24/1.8 ZA
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Zooms: 10-18/4, 16-50/3.5-5.6, 16-70/4 (ZA), 18-55/3.5-5.6
Primes: 12/2.8 (Zeiss), 16/2.8, 20/2.8, 24/1.8 (ZA) 32/1.8 (Zeiss), 35/1.8, 50/2.8 macro (Zeiss)
There really is no shortage of wide to standard APS-C lenses for Sony E mount, and for longer focal lengthss full frame lenses will work just as well. Only short focal lenths will give a weigth and size saving, when designed for the APS-C format only. So I don't think that Sony has moved away from APS-C. It's still there.
Edit: added 24/1.8 ZA
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