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PhilDrinkwater wrote:
I actively don't want any more resolution. It would be wasted disk space and just increase processing time. That's not going to change.

I've said all along that more dr isn't strictly necessary for me to do my job but would be welcome on odd occasions (like 1-2 files per wedding).

My view isn't going to change. Others' may.


Phil -- Fulfilling your desire is a piece of cake! There are tons of existing [used] models floating around at bargain prices that do exactly what you want. And there will be tons more in the near future if this predicted 1DsX comes into being.

For weddings, a 1D3 (or two, or three!) should be the answer for many years of gorgeous pictures at moderate rez.

It's us poor folks who want the biggest, baddest in MP, DR, and all features imaginable that are going to feel the pinch of progress.



Sep 18, 2014 at 08:31 AM
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ggreene wrote:
I doubt anyone in this thread believes that Canon will not release a high MP 5D4 at some point but they're a business first and foremost. If they can get people to buy a $9K body with superior build in advance of a more affordable 5D4 more power to them. Other companies would love to be in that position.

Also, there are many people out there that like the ergonomics of the 1D bodies.


Bah, I hate 1D ergonomics...stupid big, ugly, heavy, over priced bricks Just kidding, I've had two 1D bodies and loved them both. The 1DX is truly superb and I actually feel priviledged to own one. To be honest if Canon release a very high spec, high mp, bells and whistles 1D for $9k, I'd be more than happy with a circa 30mp, 14-15 stops of DR 5D body, if Canon released that so as not to step on the 1D's toes. Obviously all this is speculation and we have no real idea of what Canon is up to. It is pretty exciting though, to think that Canon might have some great new products heading to the market in the near future.



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Sep 18, 2014 at 08:38 AM
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The other day I was watching a live photography show; presented by Tony Northrup, and he had some interesting insights about Canon/Nikon vs everyone else. To paraphrase...

Smaller companies look to capitalize/exploit, fill in 'gaps' in tech markets and can do so because they don't provide a 'complete' system. Their target market is much smaller than that of C/N and thus their R&D budgets are easier directed/pointed at just body development/production..

... my observations...

When you look a revenue streams, other than Sony, not even Nikon is bigger than Canon. And with the incredibly broad product shelf Canon provides, it's no wonder they are slower to implement cutting-edge with any great speed.

While Sony has clearly hit a homerun with it's EXMOR design/tech, their lenses, flash and accessories for DSLRs is not great, not to mention more expensive in many areas. They simply don't give their customers the choices Canon users enjoy.

I get the DR discussion, it's wants by so many, to have EXMOR's or even better DR would be killer. Personally I'd like GPS, WiFi, dual card slots and articulated/touch LCD's in every body. And kind of understand the fervor for 4K RAW video and it's potential stills benefits.

But also get Canon's snail like; for some, advancements. They've got a huge system of top-of-the-line gearz to manage. Have always; product wise, had very long reaching, centered, development plans; they just don't react to change near instantly, nor could/should they given stockholder interests.

I'm fully in the camp that thinks Canon isn't going out of business if they don't 'immediately' cater to the latest new tech discovery. I'd rather they continue giving their consumer base such a huge system to choose from.

Many an FM recommendation centers on glass; getting the best possible. As one who can't afford much of the higher-end lenses, it's simply fantastic that Canon gives me tremendous choice. From Rebel with kit lens, to xxD-xD and mid-tier glass; even a few L's, to the pro 1D's and MkII f2.8 and f4 top-of-the-line big whites, Canon just nails for me the 'most' important issues.

It took some time to create a near 1D performing crop body in the 7D MkII, but they have delivered what many have wanted, there were iterations, but it's here.

I fully expect Canon to respond to the 'more DR' and 4K voices, it may be this October, next year or beyond. Canon just has great gear, great customer service, a great ecosystem. Let's hope a 5D, 1D even a new 6D are surprises on the near horizon.

We live in a time when our creative tools are insanely liberating, lets get to it, reduce this angry banter, find a garden of joy we can shoot, find pleasure in

Cheers,
Jerry

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Sep 18, 2014 at 09:36 AM
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First, regarding the previous post in this thread: yes! :-)

Then...

For my purposes if Canon were to release the Speculative Camera being imagined in this thread for the $9k figure being tossed around here, I would

a. consider getting one for portions of my work, but not be super happy since it is my preference to use a smaller and lighter (and less expensive) body, or...

b. not purchase it, instead waiting for that smaller and lighter body with the same sensor, as per previous Canon practice, or...

c. if it looked like Canon was really going to only release such a camera at such a price (not likely, in my view), that would be my signal to get the Pentax 645z and 2-3 lenses for the portions of my work that would benefit from higher resolution and the larger sensor.

(The Pentax body cost is roughly equivalent to the imaginary speculative figure of $9k being tossed around by some in this thread. Lenses add to that cost, of course.)

I would continue to use a Canon DSLR for some things and a small non-Canon mirrorless body for others.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, and related to the earlier post quoted below, also see: http://www.gdanmitchell.com/2012/12/22/post-processing-a-shadow-recovery-example

PhilDrinkwater wrote:
That's pretty good.

I know the landscapers want 14 stops DR and I understand why. However, I don't think I've ever pushed any part of any image more than 2 stops. Even my 5d3 does a reasonable job of that (with enough NR). The 6d was definitely better than the 5d3 (in fact ... I wish I could buy a 6d and put the sensor in my 5d3!) and it looks likely the 7d2 might be up there with the 6d.

I really wish Canon would let you "mix and match" your camera..



Sep 18, 2014 at 09:38 AM
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Psychic1 wrote:
...Canon will release a 46mp pro body at the Javits Center in October.



of 2024?




Sep 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM
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Sneakyracer wrote:
I would just take everything from the 5D3 and just add a better, higher res sensor (36-50MP), Awesome DR (similar to a D810), and a larger buffer. That should do it. If they add better video (4k) and other features its cool, but not super essential. I just want the 1DS series back!



As much as many say 4K video is not essential, paraphrasing my instructor in the video course I am currently taking and he has been doing video for many years that many customers are requesting 4K and 6K shooting. Although HD is sufficient and many of his productions are downsized from 4K to HD his customers are looking to the future when 4K is the dominate format. The customers want to have the higher quality 4K available in their productions so when the TV market is saturated with 4K devices then they can continue to have access to the footage shot without having to uprez from HD to 4K or reshoot in HD.

Canon has shown they want to be a player in the video market (much to the chagrin of many stills only shooters). To limit the next 1D to just HD many video specialists will not buy and opt for the Sony 4K mirror less or the Sony 7r or Nikon D810 which they are currently doing.

My instructor said he is now shooting Sony 7r and 7s for video production. Would love to have a 1DC.

When the 5D MKII had video introduced many still shootings stated we don't need that, but videographers embraced it and Canon 5D MKIIs became common for shooting video NOT replacing camcorders or videocameras. Canon saw an opportunity to expand into video and came out with the Cxxx series and then the 1DC.

The 1DC was heralded by many as a terrific hybrid but give it is essentially a 1DX with video enhancements, it too is due for an upgrade. With the current instant savings on a 1DC to move out remaining 1DCs and increasing the price of the next 1Dxs Canon could combine the 1DX and 1DC together into one camera. Canon could just as easily limit some features in the video (not unheard of) and have a new entry level 4K video for the video folks.





Sep 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM
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Dan,
My considered and honest view of your alternative (a) above is that if someone decides to sink $9k on a mass produced 35mm dSLR in yr 2014, they either should have a short-term $$ return thru camera professional deployment, or they really need to give their head a vigorous shake.

Granted, if the play budget is ample, it generally matters little how people spend it, whatever makes them happy.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM
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Quality over quantity folks! The dynamic range of Sony made sensors in the Nikon and Sony 36 megapixel cameras should be Canon's worry. 16 bit color would sweep the portrait and wedding and fashion market. Toss in some useful ergonomic design and I'm there with cash.



Sep 18, 2014 at 10:31 AM
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PetKal wrote:
Dan,
My considered and honest view of your alternative (a) above is that if someone decides to sink $9k on a mass produced 35mm dSLR in yr 2014, they either should have a short-term $$ return thru camera professional deployment, or they really need to give their head a vigorous shake.

Granted, if the play budget is ample, it generally matters little how people spend it, whatever makes them happy.


Peter are the Happy Camper or the Head Shaker.

Oops forgot you have that NDA and can't say anything about the 1DXs and 800L MKII or is it the 600L MKIII. Kidding of course. Continues on with the Canon Gears evaluations . Oops the Lanuage police will be reading this Gears



Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM
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Just to follow up on my prior post about Canon using a Sony sensor, and not that analysts typically know anything, but this quote from the Chuck Westfall article (http://www.cnet.com/news/canon-reveals-details-for-future-telephoto-lens-line/) is interesting:

"I think we're starting to shift away from camera body vs. camera body to optics vs. optics."

Chris



Sep 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Phil -- Fulfilling your desire is a piece of cake! There are tons of existing [used] models floating around at bargain prices that do exactly what you want. And there will be tons more in the near future if this predicted 1DsX comes into being.

For weddings, a 1D3 (or two, or three!) should be the answer for many years of gorgeous pictures at moderate rez.

It's us poor folks who want the biggest, baddest in MP, DR, and all features imaginable that are going to feel the pinch of progress.


TBH it wasn't. Until the 5d3 came along I don't think there was a canon camera that quite did it for me in all regards..

But I agree. Those who want it, want it.

What I was responding to was that people would suddenly change their minds. I won't, as many others won't.



Sep 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM
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PetKal wrote:
Dan,
My considered and honest view of your alternative (a) above is that if someone decides to sink $9k on a mass produced 35mm dSLR in yr 2014, they either should have a short-term $$ return thru camera professional deployment, or they really need to give their head a vigorous shake.

Granted, if the play budget is ample, it generally matters little how people spend it, whatever makes them happy.


Agreed. In terms of photographic quality, there is very, very little reason to spend more than the price of the 5DIII/D810/A7r cameras (with a small number of exceptions) if one wants a DSLR. Anyone seriously thinking that they need higher IQ and willing to pay that price should be looking at the lowering prices and better features now arriving in the "mini MF" cameras. (This would also be a very small group of photographers, though a larger percentage of those who might be candidates for a very expensive 1-Series, high-MP body.)

Option a) is the least likely for me among the three I listed, with option b) being the most likely. c) is intriguing, especially for my landscape photography — again with some potential minuses though, including large size, cost of lenses, the question of how large an increment of difference there will be between a 50MP 33mm x 44mm sensor and a full frame 46MP (?) sensor. (There is a difference, but the issue is not a simple one.)

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Sep 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM
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If the 1DsX is real (and I hope it is, it's about time Canon) we can only hope the sensor tech filters down to the 5D4.

Having shelled out $8000 for my 1Ds3 I won't be doing it again if the IQ can be matched at a much lower price, which it seems with D810's around it certainly can



Sep 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM
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alundeb wrote:
Being spoiled by the A7r for landscape (small, light, affordable, great lens adaptibility, proven dynamic range), I could never imagine buying a 1DsX or even a 5D4 type of camera for that use.

46 MP over 36 MP translates to:
A small detail patch is covered by 8x8 pixels instead of 7x7.

That being said, a 1DsX will possibly be the highest performing DSLR available.


I'm of a similar mindset. I'm not all that interested in a 1D series body...neither the size nor the price appeal to me. I'm quite content right now with the combination of my trusty old 5DII and Sony A7r, which gives me an option for almost everything I need to shoot.

That said, my guess is that after the mythical 1DsX becomes reality, a high-megapixel 5DIV body should appear later down the road...by which point I will probably be ready to finally replace my 5DII and relegate the A7r to backup camera and vacation duty



Sep 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM
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Mint used D800's are going for $1700. For the $6k difference many shooters could match their entire Canon lens collection with Nikon without selling a single one of their Canon lenses.


Sep 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM
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As predicted ... "A thread has popped up on a forum talking about a 46mp pro Canon DSLR being launched in New York City in October for PhotoPlus." ...


http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/a-new-eos-pro-body-with-46mp-next-month-cr1/



Sep 18, 2014 at 12:34 PM
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Daniel Smith wrote:
of 2024?



I am confident that it will happen next month - because I just bought another 1Ds Mark III Classic.



Sep 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM
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It's rumors like this one that prevent me from pulling the trigger on the A7r I have loaded in the cart online. Not that I want to pay huge bucks for a high MP 1Ds body, but if Canon sensor tech takes a leap in that body, what I might expect in a 5D4.


Sep 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM
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NCAndy wrote:
It's rumors like this one that prevent me from pulling the trigger on the A7r I have loaded in the cart online. Not that I want to pay huge bucks for a high MP 1Ds body, but if Canon sensor tech takes a leap in that body, what I might expect in a 5D4.


It is virtually certain that Canon will eventually produce something that equals or exceeds the capabilities of the Nikon and Sony cameras in regards to potential image quality.

The normal and typical process in the industry is that Brand A comes out with something really cool. Then Brand B comes out with something even cooler. The Brand A comes out with something that surpasses that. Perhaps Brand C pops up out of nowhere. Brand B and A respond with even better stuff.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

In the same way that I would generally advise Canon users to be patient and resist the temptation to switch to or augment with another brand (with a few rare exceptions) that has introduced some new improvements, should Canon come out with this speculative 46MP sensor camera I would urge Nikon and Sony users to stick to what they have.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 01:06 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
It is virtually certain that Canon will produce something that equals or exceeds the capabilities of the Nikon and Sony cameras in regards to potential image quality.

The normal and typical process in the industry is that Brand A comes out with something really cool. Then Brand B comes out with something even cooler. The Brand A comes out with something that surpasses that. Perhaps Brand C pops up out of nowhere. Brand B and A respond with even better stuff.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

In the same way that I would generally advise Canon users to be patient and resist the
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Well Canon certainly haven't rushed to meet the Nikon/Sony sensor challenge and many have either moved over or bought A7R's instead.

But I agree Canon will eventually come out with something comparable or better, they always have

That's why I've stayed put



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