Fred Miranda wrote:
I trust Psychic1 more than the rumor sites!
He's not called Psychic 1 for nothing.
Please fill us in Psychic 1, will the 7DII sensor rock. Seems most are in agreement that all the other improvements are welcomed.. The underlying question is of the sensor's abilities.
artd wrote:
Wait, I thought the various Canon forums on the internet had established some time ago that more megapixels aren't necessary, Canon cameras have more than enough already, it's too much of a hassle to use good shooting technique to take advantage of more megapixels anyway, and the difference is hardly noticeable.
Yup, high-resolution and high-DR are overrated ... until Canon doesn't have them.
But once Canon has them, high-resolution/high-DR will become of utmost importance.
jorkata wrote:
Yup, high-resolution and high-DR are overrated ... until Canon doesn't have them.
But once Canon has them, high-resolution/high-DR will become of utmost importance.
How true! Some people can turn from utter denialism to total embrace overnight!
skibum5 wrote:
I wasn't bashing the 1DsX (which may not even exist)! I was just predicting that it WILL have a ton of fps, 4k video and good DR otherwise it won't make sense, who would pay 8k for it if it just had 1080p, 2007 DR, 5fps, that would be paying like $5000 just to go from 36MP to 46MP but with worse DR so I was just saying I don't believe they'd expect that to work out so I DO NOT think it will lack all those wonders.
JColwell keeps totally twisting and not comprehending what I was writing in this thread again and again so I kept trying to correct it again and again. I washing bashing the specs. We don't even know if the camera will ever even exist, but if it does, I don't think it will be just the same old 1080p, same old DR, and 5fps, I think it's got to and will have, at the least, two of those things, much better. So I was saying that I expect it would be BETTER than some here are suggesting.
I would just take everything from the 5D3 and just add a better, higher res sensor (36-50MP), Awesome DR (similar to a D810), and a larger buffer. That should do it. If they add better video (4k) and other features its cool, but not super essential. I just want the 1DS series back!
IndyFab wrote:
He's not called Psychic 1 for nothing.
Please fill us in Psychic 1, will the 7DII sensor rock. Seems most are in agreement that all the other improvements are welcomed.. The underlying question is of the sensor's abilities.
Whats the crystal ball saying ?
At low ISO it will have about the same measured DR as the 7D (so still an old type sensor, nothing new) BUT it may have zero or close to zero banding (maybe the best job Canon has ever done in that regard, although the masked area is so small it's hard to be 100% sure) which means that the actual usable DR will be better than it was with the 7D.
I have no RAW files for high ISO so I don't know what it does there for either DR or SNR. Maybe the psychic one does.
jorkata wrote:
Yup, high-resolution and high-DR are overrated ... until Canon doesn't have them.
But once Canon has them, high-resolution/high-DR will become of utmost importance.
I actively don't want any more resolution. It would be wasted disk space and just increase processing time. That's not going to change.
I've said all along that more dr isn't strictly necessary for me to do my job but would be welcome on odd occasions (like 1-2 files per wedding).
IndyFab wrote:
He's not called Psychic 1 for nothing.
Please fill us in Psychic 1, will the 7DII sensor rock. Seems most are in agreement that all the other improvements are welcomed.. The underlying question is of the sensor's abilities.
Being spoiled by the A7r for landscape (small, light, affordable, great lens adaptibility, proven dynamic range), I could never imagine buying a 1DsX or even a 5D4 type of camera for that use.
46 MP over 36 MP translates to:
A small detail patch is covered by 8x8 pixels instead of 7x7.
That being said, a 1DsX will possibly be the highest performing DSLR available.
alundeb wrote:
Being spoiled by the A7r for landscape (small, light, affordable, great lens adaptibility, proven dynamic range), I could never imagine buying a 1DsX or even a 5D4 type of camera for that use.
46 MP over 36 MP translates to:
A small detail patch is covered by 8x8 pixels instead of 7x7.
That being said, a 1DsX will possibly be the highest performing DSLR available.
Nice try colwell, but I have no angst and spare us your delusions of superiority. When you bought your old 1DS bodies there were no viable full frame aternatives so your argument is thoroughly out dated. Those old APS-c bodies had terrible AF sysems in comparison to the 1DS bodies of the time and were built to a much lower standard, not like now. There was also no Nikon alternative or as with the 1DX, the cheaper option of the 5D3, which has many of the 1DX features. Its a different era colwell. It makes far more sense for high mp to be introduced in an affordable body just like the competiton did. Did Nikon stick the 36mp sensor in an expensive D4X pro body? Not as yet; they were sensible and put it in a smaller, cheaper form factor. If Canon do indeed announce this camera it mirrors their attitude to 4k video. You need to pay big money to shoot 4k in a Canon, but other manufacturers give you 4k for $1000 and, as some may point out they can shoot shoot 4k on a mobile phone. Ok, thats probably fairly awful, but it's still 4k.
Sony and Nikon give you high mp and high DR for between $2-$3k, but Canon "wants" users to pay $8-$9k? How does that make sense? There might be a small to medium market for a big, heavy high mp Canon, but there is a much much bigger market for those features in a smaller and more affordable body that is easier to carry and use. Seriously wouldnt you rather save weight and money, but still have all the features that might appear in a bigger, heavier body? If you paid attention you'd know I never said I wanted to buy an A7R or switch to Nikon. If you feel so confident of your superiority, feel free to do a poll and ask who would rather pay $9k for a high mp Canon or pay $3k for the same or similar feature set in a smaller body.
I know the landscapers want 14 stops DR and I understand why. However, I don't think I've ever pushed any part of any image more than 2 stops. Even my 5d3 does a reasonable job of that (with enough NR). The 6d was definitely better than the 5d3 (in fact ... I wish I could buy a 6d and put the sensor in my 5d3!) and it looks likely the 7d2 might be up there with the 6d.
I really wish Canon would let you "mix and match" your camera..
Bones74 wrote:
Nice try colwell, but I have no angst and spare us your delusions of superiority. When you bought your old 1DS bodies there were no viable full frame aternatives so your argument is thoroughly out dated...
Yes. Of course. I was explaining why I chose Canon ten years ago. Which is why it makes no sense for me to switch to Nikon. I'm invested in a system.
No one company has a continuous monopoly on producing the best products, at least not in cameras. Canon might be regaining the high ground. We'll have to wait and see. One year from now, people just starting may be in the same position as I was ten years ago.
jcolwell wrote:
Yes. Of course. I was explaining why I chose Canon ten years ago. Which is why it makes no sense for me to switch to Nikon. I'm invested in a system.
No one company has a continuous monopoly on producing the best products, at least not in cameras. Canon might be regaining the high ground. We'll have to wait and see. One year from now, people just starting may be in the same position as I was ten years ago.
That's fair enough I think I did say that I completely understood your position with you being so heavily invested in Canon glass (and to a lesser extent "replaceable" camera bodies). All my main point is, is that because the competition has their high mp sensor in the D8xx series (and not yet, if ever, a D4X pro body), it would make more sense for Canon to follow suit and put theirs in a 5D body. I'm not advocating that people switch brands, that's up to them, their needs and buying power. The 1DX and D4S are in direct competition with each other and are similarly priced, but a potential 1DsX has no D4X.
For some of those who aren't in your position gear wise, but have the money to spend, it might make more sense for them to sell off their Canon gear and purchase a 645Z and lenses. From that aspect a high mp Canon would be in near direct competition with a MF body which arguably should outperform it comfortably IQ wise, having just more 7mp on a much larger sensor. For example if they shot landscapes the 645Z might be a better option for them, but if they shot a variety of genres then a more rounded Canon D/SLR would be better. Anyway this rumour may yet turn out to be complete b*llocks and all this "angst" is for nothing.
Waiting the news until this camera see the light truly, i am happy with Canon since long time ago even with some gaps sometimes against competitors such as Nikon and Sony, but i never lose faith on Canon, so that i never gave up or convert to Nikon.
A camera with over 40mp and say 12-14fps in crop mode and still higher than 20mp with crop and fast AF in AI servo mode this will always have a warm arm with me, i am using 1DX as my best every camera for sports and some actions, but Sony A7R put my Canon cameras in comma or in history for landscapes, sure i have stronger mp than Sony but it is more portable and practical to me now until i can have a Canon DSLR with higher mp than 36mp.
Bones74 wrote:
All my main point is, is that because the competition has their high mp sensor in the D8xx series (and not yet, if ever, a D4X pro body), it would make more sense for Canon to follow suit and put theirs in a 5D body.
I doubt anyone in this thread believes that Canon will not release a high MP 5D4 at some point but they're a business first and foremost. If they can get people to buy a $9K body with superior build in advance of a more affordable 5D4 more power to them. Other companies would love to be in that position.
Also, there are many people out there that like the ergonomics of the 1D bodies.
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