artd wrote:
But what I think you misunderstand is I don't agree with the way you conflated augmenting a system with changing a system. To try a different context, why do you own a Fuji mirrorless camera in addition to your Canon DSLR? Wouldn't it be better to wait for Canon to come up with a better mirrorless system?
Although you may have read something into what I wrote, I did not conflate anything. I'm just explaining my perspective on the issue...
kezeka wrote:
The same people who bought the 1Ds3 for similar prices. It isn't unusual at all.
Big difference back then as all cameras with those same capabilities were at that price. Now we've seen excellent pro level cameras come down by $4,000.
artd wrote:
Wait, I thought the various Canon forums on the internet had established some time ago that more megapixels aren't necessary, Canon cameras have more than enough already, it's too much of a hassle to use good shooting technique to take advantage of more megapixels anyway, and the difference is hardly noticeable.
(P.S. I really think these forums need a "tongue in cheek" emoticon.)
Yeh, you can pull up a few of those posts from not too long ago.
super35 wrote:
I think there is a very reasonable possibility the 1DsX will be exactly 44.7 megapixels or 8192x5461 pixels.
That is to more easily implement 4K video. The 4k production standard is 4096x2160. If you have an image sensor of 8192x5461 it is a much simpler to bin two pixels to one and end up with an image size 4096x2731 which is just a simple crop away from 4096x2160...
Pixel-binning produces edge artefacts, which is why it isn't a good demosaicing algorithm for stills. At this stage, "easy to implement" doesn't win, when my little Sony RX10 properly interpolates down to 1080 from a full sensor readout - by the way, also doing software image stabilisation in real time. Quite low-end televisions are also rescaling video properly, often also tweening to get around limitations of LCD display technology.
Also don't forget that chroma subsampling often occurs, e.g. with 4:2:2 the luminance is at full resolution but the other two components are not.
I don't have a good knowledge of demosaicing and scaling algorithms, but I'd be surprised if having the sensor dimensions an integral multiple of the video frame size gets you much, assuming you do it properly.
I love how the clowns at canonrumors picks up on this story? I actually hate them! They perpetuate these rumors because Canon lacks the ability to step up to the plate. Rumors had been talking about this high mp pixel camera for some time now. Those guys love perpetuating because canon lacks the ability to produce a real camera to compete with the 810. But if it's true, it's far more expensive than I dreamed it would be. Why spend on that when a lanscape shooter can get the 14-24 and 810 for far less.its another reason that I am happy I switched to Nikon.
molson wrote:
Or unless outraged shareholder demand Sony finally do something to generate some profit...
The fact that Sony actually let Nikon use their tech is a big step forward for them. They've had a history of keeping their often superior tech proprietary which hasn't turned out too well for them from a business standpoint.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Canon is already using Sony's 1" sensor. Most medium format players are using Sony's 50MP medium format CMOS sensor on their cameras. Nikon has been using Sony's FF CMOS sensor.
There are rumors that Sony has developed a higher MP FF sensor soon to be released. (~46MP)
So, there is a possibility that Canon may include Sony's newest sensor on their flagship body and then trickle it down to consumer models.
If you can't beat them, join them!
Yes...but unlikely I think. Sony is already under contract with Nikon to equip their DSLR FF models with Exmor sensors. I would assume that this kind of contract excludes to offer the same sensor technology to a third party DSLR manufacturer. There is a possibility still depending how long such contract is made for. For a new contract, its conditions might change depending on market demand and further market expansion for Sony.
gdanmitchell wrote: Regarding the Canon DSLR: I have a fine DSLR system that is Canon based. I believe that Canon will produce an updated body for that system before long. (Perhaps not much more than one year after the A7r became available for purchase. For me, the advantages of the Sony system during that time are not compelling .....
Simple question: did you ever try and test an A7R yourself? You are writing long stories why you don't need it but never in fact even gave it a closer look. I would agree and understand if you presented some test results in comparison to your 5D MkII for example. But I didn't see them.
Looks more like a Canon "Durchhalteparole" (keep up parole) to me.
retrofocus wrote:
Yes...but unlikely I think. Sony is already under contract with Nikon to equip their DSLR FF models with Exmor sensors. I would assume that this kind of contract excludes to offer the same sensor technology to a third party DSLR manufacturer. There is a possibility still depending how long such contract is made for. For a new contract, its conditions might change depending on market demand and further market expansion for Sony.
Sony has been quite open about expanding their semi conductor plants for the production of stacked sensors. Its as yet unclear if the new sensors due at the beginning of 2015 will be based on this new design, they have patents for several designs.
My gut feeling is that in January you will hear of Sony's next generation stacked sensors, which will have high resolution & even greater DR. An extra stop or 2 of DR will put increasing pressure on Canon to update their sensor designs. They do have patents is whether or not they choose to develop them
asnapper wrote:
Sony has been quite open about expanding their semi conductor plants for the production of stacked sensors. Its as yet unclear if the new sensors due at the beginning of 2015 will be based on this new design, they have patents for several designs.
My gut feeling is that in January you will hear of Sony's next generation stacked sensors, which will have high resolution & even greater DR. An extra stop or 2 of DR will put increasing pressure on Canon to update their sensor designs. They do have patents is whether or not they choose to develop them
Yes, you are right, I also read about this. I believe they first release the curved sensor in a fixed lens mirrorless type camera next. Stacked sensors are the way now to go forward indeed. I am sure they could have already shown something like the curved sensor or the next gen of a 50 MP FF sensor at Photokina but since there was zero pressure from Canon or anybody else they delayed it until next year.
retrofocus wrote:
Yes...but unlikely I think. Sony is already under contract with Nikon to equip their DSLR FF models with Exmor sensors. I would assume that this kind of contract excludes to offer the same sensor technology to a third party DSLR manufacturer.
Fuji, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Hasselblad, and Phase One are all using Sony Exmor sensors in their cameras... Canon seems to be the odd one out.
molson wrote:
Fuji, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Hasselblad, and Phase One are all using Sony Exmor sensors in their cameras... Canon seems to be the odd one out.
Yes, but the one in Fuji, Pentax, Olympus cameras are the cropped Exmor sensors, the Hasselblad and PhaseOne are medium format. For FF Exmor it is only Nikon (other than Sony of course).
retrofocus wrote:
Yes, you are right, I also read about this. I believe they first release the curved sensor in a fixed lens mirrorless type camera next. Stacked sensors are the way now to go forward indeed. I am sure they could have already shown something like the curved sensor or the next gen of a 50 MP FF sensor at Photokina but since there was zero pressure from Canon or anybody else they delayed it until next year.
This is exactly why I hope canons 46mp 1dxs has a canon sensor in it. If Canon can't compete and ends up using sony sensors them we'll end up in the same mess that is going on in the processor industry where Intel can delay a processor launch whenever they feel like it since there is no pressure. Bad for consumers.
kezeka wrote:
This is exactly why I hope canons 46mp 1dxs has a canon sensor in it. If Canon can't compete and ends up using sony sensors them we'll end up in the same mess that is going on in the processor industry where Intel can delay a processor launch whenever they feel like it since there is no pressure. Bad for consumers.
Competition is virtually always a good thing for consumers, and having only a single source is almost always a bad thing. In this photography world, we are fortunate to have Canon pushing Sony pushing Nikon pushing Olympus pushing Fujifilm pushing Canon pushing Sony pushing...
... such that in the past year, shortly after many were starting to think that digital photography equipment development had plateaued, innovation has been revived and we've seen quite a few interesting and useful developments — and there is no sign that this will stop soon.
gdanmitchell wrote:
... such that in the past year, shortly after many were starting to think that digital photography equipment development had plateaued, innovation has been revived and we've seen quite a few interesting and useful developments — and there is no sign that this will stop soon.
NCAndy wrote:
It's rumors like this one that prevent me from pulling the trigger on the A7r I have loaded in the cart online. Not that I want to pay huge bucks for a high MP 1Ds body, but if Canon sensor tech takes a leap in that body, what I might expect in a 5D4.
You are right to be concerned. Since buying my a7r, I have spent about $4000 in native lens for the beast, mutliple adapters, ..... which adds up to way more than the $8-9k rumour. And although I am happy with the body dynamic range and mpx, I don't like - using adapters, lousy battery performance, lousy electronic rangefinder view in bright light, the colors of sony vs canon, vibration issues near 1/100 shutter, the lack of a small uwa that works with it, .... . I will sell the a7r unless there is a uwa solution soon, when/if canon delivers this body. The a7r does not work well for me for landscape and hiking.I assume that a7r v2 might fix these problems but its obvious that sony strategy is to throw lots of stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
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