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p.5 #17Dii vs 1Div
tonytastic wrote:
Looks a little mushy, but can't expect too much for a crop sensor.
Really? You must have pretty low expectations. A lot lower than many pros taking exceptional images with crop sensors for several years.
Looks a little mushy, but can't expect too much for a crop sensor.
Really? You must have pretty low expectations. A lot lower than many pros taking exceptional images with crop sensors for several years.
Sep 19, 2014 at 09:24 AM
p.5 #27Dii vs 1Div
Unfortunately I cannot comment directly on the IQ of the 7D as I do not own one! I have used a friends 1D4 and i can say that the 1D4 allows far more cropping than I ever expected. On both the 300 F4 & 600 F4 I find I can crop quite a bit (50% area when I nail it) and still get a pretty good A3 print.
Sep 20, 2014 at 05:34 AM
p.5 #37Dii vs 1Div
diverhank wrote:
..Based strictly on the 7D Mark II specifications, I feel it's a perfect sports/BIF camera and I didn't hesitate for one second and pre-ordered one.
I did something that I've never done. I pre-ordered the 7D2 and the grip. I want to go back to 1.6 for my bird and wildlife photography. If I can get 1D af or better, 10 fps, better weather sealing and hell GPS, it's worth it to me. I, too, started with the 50D, but jump straight to the 1D, so never had the 7D, so this new one peaked my interest.
I often pondered the 1DX, but the 5D3 has done me justice and I can always fall back on my 1D4 or 1D3. If the 7D2 gives me quality 3200 ISO or ISO on par with the 1D4, I am ok with it and will not consider the 1DX anymore. Hell, I can buy the 7D2 and the 200 f2 for about the price of the 1DX. The II will get lots of sports used too.
I'll let all the technical experts here debate the technical mumbo, jumbo while I'm out bird hunting with the II.
I think the II will force Canon's hand to with regards to the 1DX and they will up the ante, so the 1DX owners will ultimately be even happier with a flagship camera, but at what cost is the question.
I will be following Art's review and if proves to be a dud, I can cancel the pre-order, but I have faith that it will be ok.
Al
..Based strictly on the 7D Mark II specifications, I feel it's a perfect sports/BIF camera and I didn't hesitate for one second and pre-ordered one.
I did something that I've never done. I pre-ordered the 7D2 and the grip. I want to go back to 1.6 for my bird and wildlife photography. If I can get 1D af or better, 10 fps, better weather sealing and hell GPS, it's worth it to me. I, too, started with the 50D, but jump straight to the 1D, so never had the 7D, so this new one peaked my interest.
I often pondered the 1DX, but the 5D3 has done me justice and I can always fall back on my 1D4 or 1D3. If the 7D2 gives me quality 3200 ISO or ISO on par with the 1D4, I am ok with it and will not consider the 1DX anymore. Hell, I can buy the 7D2 and the 200 f2 for about the price of the 1DX. The II will get lots of sports used too.
I'll let all the technical experts here debate the technical mumbo, jumbo while I'm out bird hunting with the II.
I think the II will force Canon's hand to with regards to the 1DX and they will up the ante, so the 1DX owners will ultimately be even happier with a flagship camera, but at what cost is the question.
I will be following Art's review and if proves to be a dud, I can cancel the pre-order, but I have faith that it will be ok.
Al
Oct 05, 2014 at 01:04 PM
p.5 #47Dii vs 1Div
I own a 1DmIV, and if the 7d mII is as great as everyone thinks it might be, I will buy a used 7d at a great price. None of them are 'bad' cameras.
RCA
RCA
Oct 05, 2014 at 11:00 PM
p.5 #57Dii vs 1Div
Seems Pointless to compare a camera that is unavailable at present ! Though I very much doubt it will be anywhere near as good as a 1Dmk IV However at that price it will be a no brainer for many and I will buy one as a 2nd or third Body to back up 1DX and IDIV when I want to travel light.
Oct 06, 2014 at 06:15 AM
p.5 #67Dii vs 1Div
I had the chance to shoot the 7D II Saturday and never took the time to do it (hey, it was a bright sunny day so I would not have learned that much anyway). But, here's a quote from the guy that has two of them (and I'm not going to drop names, so don't ask ). "Get it. It's as close to a mini 1DX as there ever will be. It's that good".
). "Get it. It's as close to a mini 1DX as there ever will be. It's that good". Oct 06, 2014 at 07:00 AM
p.5 #77Dii vs 1Div
rsartin wrote:
I had the chance to shoot the 7D II Saturday and never took the time to do it (hey, it was a bright sunny day so I would not have learned that much anyway). But, here's a quote from the guy that has two of them (and I'm not going to drop names, so don't ask ). "Get it. It's as close to a mini 1DX as there ever will be. It's that good".
Thats nice to know. all I have read lately is bad stuff about this camera yet to even be on the streets! This thread in a forum was one, people look at one set of photos and make out like the camera is straight out rubbish from one link!
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1400973
I find myself questioning if I should buy it, get a 1D4 even though to be honest I don't want to cart a 600mm lens around for reach, even on my 5DIII. All the specs on 7DII sound great. I'm not expecting a 1DX, just a little better than my 7D. I have to keep reminding myself I should stop reading all the technological jargon and all the apparent perfectionist photographers rants out there in internet land because its going to do my head in. I also have to look through flickr at all the amazing photos taken with the lowly 7D and try and remember to stop becoming obsessed with every little minute thing that could be a con with this camera, chances are it will be great but so many take the camera down before its even had a chance. I'm sure in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing it will be amazing
I had the chance to shoot the 7D II Saturday and never took the time to do it (hey, it was a bright sunny day so I would not have learned that much anyway). But, here's a quote from the guy that has two of them (and I'm not going to drop names, so don't ask
). "Get it. It's as close to a mini 1DX as there ever will be. It's that good". Thats nice to know. all I have read lately is bad stuff about this camera yet to even be on the streets! This thread in a forum was one, people look at one set of photos and make out like the camera is straight out rubbish from one link!
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1400973
I find myself questioning if I should buy it, get a 1D4 even though to be honest I don't want to cart a 600mm lens around for reach, even on my 5DIII. All the specs on 7DII sound great. I'm not expecting a 1DX, just a little better than my 7D. I have to keep reminding myself I should stop reading all the technological jargon and all the apparent perfectionist photographers rants out there in internet land because its going to do my head in. I also have to look through flickr at all the amazing photos taken with the lowly 7D and try and remember to stop becoming obsessed with every little minute thing that could be a con with this camera, chances are it will be great but so many take the camera down before its even had a chance. I'm sure in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing it will be amazing
Oct 06, 2014 at 08:37 AM
p.5 #87Dii vs 1Div
aladyforty wrote:
...I have to keep reminding myself I should stop reading all the technological jargon and all the apparent perfectionist photographers rants out there in internet land because its going to do my head in...
I've already ignored them. This same thing happens time and time again whenever a new item hits the market. I actually get a kick out of all the so called camera inventors. Here's what I think. Folks are worried that the II will rival their very expensive high end camera(s), but at fraction of the cost, so it becomes a mob fest on downing a camera that is not even in the same class as the more expensive units - why I ask. So, one has to wonder why all the negatives; something must be in the II that has them concerned. Think about it. I like what I see and have pre-ordered one along with a grip and extra battery. I will let them debate the merits of the camera, while I debate which image to keep. I hope I get mine in time to take it to Conowingo Dam for the Eagles. We always want more. If you give them $1 million, they complain that they didn't get $1 million and $1. It's human nature. You just need to know when to block out the noise and make your own assessment of a piece of equipment.
Maybe Rob Galbraith will do a review.
Just One Man's Opinion.
...I have to keep reminding myself I should stop reading all the technological jargon and all the apparent perfectionist photographers rants out there in internet land because its going to do my head in...
I've already ignored them. This same thing happens time and time again whenever a new item hits the market. I actually get a kick out of all the so called camera inventors. Here's what I think. Folks are worried that the II will rival their very expensive high end camera(s), but at fraction of the cost, so it becomes a mob fest on downing a camera that is not even in the same class as the more expensive units - why I ask. So, one has to wonder why all the negatives; something must be in the II that has them concerned. Think about it. I like what I see and have pre-ordered one along with a grip and extra battery. I will let them debate the merits of the camera, while I debate which image to keep. I hope I get mine in time to take it to Conowingo Dam for the Eagles. We always want more. If you give them $1 million, they complain that they didn't get $1 million and $1. It's human nature. You just need to know when to block out the noise and make your own assessment of a piece of equipment.
Maybe Rob Galbraith will do a review.
Just One Man's Opinion.
Oct 06, 2014 at 05:13 PM
p.5 #97Dii vs 1Div
As a 1DX owner I love the fact that the 7D2 is getting a lot of features seen on the 1D series. It's a great companion body to the 1DX for extra reach.
No worries over any type of rivalry as the 1DX2 will offer even more. The cycle continues.
No worries over any type of rivalry as the 1DX2 will offer even more. The cycle continues.
Oct 06, 2014 at 05:27 PM
p.5 #107Dii vs 1Div
ggreene wrote:
As a 1DX owner I love the fact that the 7D2 is getting a lot of features seen on the 1D series. It's a great companion body to the 1DX for extra reach.
No worries over any type of rivalry as the 1DX2 will offer even more. The cycle continues.
I agree. I think the II will force Canon to up the ante in the 1DX, which should make the owners and future owners thrilled.
As a 1DX owner I love the fact that the 7D2 is getting a lot of features seen on the 1D series. It's a great companion body to the 1DX for extra reach.
No worries over any type of rivalry as the 1DX2 will offer even more. The cycle continues.
I agree. I think the II will force Canon to up the ante in the 1DX, which should make the owners and future owners thrilled.
Oct 06, 2014 at 07:59 PM
p.5 #117Dii vs 1Div
I, for one, will be moving up from my 7D to the 7D2. The feature I have waited a long time for, autofocus at F8, will allow me to use a 1.4x extender with my 400/5.6 and give me that extra reach I need for birds. There are so many other features, like GPS and dual card slots, I have wanted will now be available. For the price, I'm in. I don't have a financial interest in Canon, just an interest in better photography. Hopefully, the 7D2 will help me move down that path just a little more.
Oct 07, 2014 at 10:56 AM
p.5 #127Dii vs 1Div
I was watching a 1DIV on Ebay buy it now for $2950 aust. I'm still not sure which Id buy between the 7DII and 1DIV. anyway the thing sold already, it had 34000 clicks, other ones have sold for around $2700 with close to 100.000 clicks. so what is a reasonable price for a 1DIV and is it really worth it over a 1X6 cropper
Oct 08, 2014 at 08:17 AM
p.5 #137Dii vs 1Div
aladyforty wrote:
I was watching a 1DIV on Ebay buy it now for $2950 aust. I'm still not sure which Id buy between the 7DII and 1DIV. anyway the thing sold already, it had 34000 clicks, other ones have sold for around $2700 with close to 100.000 clicks. so what is a reasonable price for a 1DIV and is it really worth it over a 1X6 cropper
There are a few for sale on the FM board right now. Reasonable price is up to you. Looks like they range from $2300 to $2900.
As you said yourself, why not wait a couple of months until more in-depth reviews are out on the 7D2?
Less than 3 month to Xmas. Patience little grasshopper.
I was watching a 1DIV on Ebay buy it now for $2950 aust. I'm still not sure which Id buy between the 7DII and 1DIV. anyway the thing sold already, it had 34000 clicks, other ones have sold for around $2700 with close to 100.000 clicks. so what is a reasonable price for a 1DIV and is it really worth it over a 1X6 cropper
There are a few for sale on the FM board right now. Reasonable price is up to you. Looks like they range from $2300 to $2900.
As you said yourself, why not wait a couple of months until more in-depth reviews are out on the 7D2?
Less than 3 month to Xmas. Patience little grasshopper.
Oct 08, 2014 at 08:42 AM
p.5 #147Dii vs 1Div
kezeka wrote:
There are days I feel the same even with an older 1D3. I think it comes down to me never having any idea how to just get the 5D3's AF set to "get most objects, still moving or otherwise, in focus" settings. Too many options to choose from 
Nope its not you I have a IDX And 1DIV and had a 5D3 for a few days trial its crap for BIF And excellent in other roles
GC5 wrote
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.Nope its not you I have a IDX And 1DIV and had a 5D3 for a few days trial its crap for BIF And excellent in other roles
Oct 08, 2014 at 08:56 AM
p.5 #157Dii vs 1Div
Imagemaster wrote:
There are a few for sale on the FM board right now. Reasonable price is up to you. Looks like they range from $2300 to $2900.
As you said yourself, why not wait a couple of months until more in-depth reviews are out on the 7D2?
Less than 3 month to Xmas. Patience little grasshopper.
hard to be patient
I keep thinking there is no way a 1X6 cropper is going to be better image wise than a 1X3 cropper is all
aladyforty wrote
I was watching a 1DIV on Ebay buy it now for $2950 aust. I'm still not sure which Id buy between the 7DII and 1DIV. anyway the thing sold already, it had 34000 clicks, other ones have sold for around $2700 with close to 100.000 clicks. so what is a reasonable price for a 1DIV and is it really worth it over a 1X6 cropperAs you said yourself, why not wait a couple of months until more in-depth reviews are out on the 7D2?
Less than 3 month to Xmas. Patience little grasshopper.
hard to be patient
I keep thinking there is no way a 1X6 cropper is going to be better image wise than a 1X3 cropper is allOct 08, 2014 at 09:38 AM
p.5 #167Dii vs 1Div
Yes, I keep waffleing on whether I should sell my 1DIV. Common sense says yes, but the fact that I love using it and the results from it are stopping me so far. It has served me well, but the extra crop value and pixels are tempting. I have one on preorder and am anxious to try it.
Oct 08, 2014 at 09:54 AM
p.5 #177Dii vs 1Div
Although I've pre-ordered a 7DII, I'm thinking of canceling it, and waiting for at least a few weeks until there are more "real world" reviews from photographers who shoot wildlife and BIF. Hanging onto both of my 1DIVs for a little while longer can't matter much.
Oct 08, 2014 at 10:15 AM
p.5 #187Dii vs 1Div
As a 1DIV owner, I'm amazed that people are incredulous over the idea that a 5 year old pro-level product will someday be superseded by a prosumer product - especially when we also have threads about how "terrible" and behind the curve canon sensors are (full disclosure I too would like to see DR improve but that does not make the sensor bad or useless). It's comical. Even if the 7DMkII IQ is better, great! In fact I hope it is.
That said, another primary reason to keep a pro-level body, to me, is rarely mentioned. If you use superteles, particularly with the extenders, I have found the pro bodies do a much better and faster job focusing when compared to the prosumer bodies. Canon at one point confirmed this superiority and suggested the larger battery (more current) of the pro body had a role here. My experience has been that the pro bodies do a much better job keeping focus on a moving object in this scenario.
That said, another primary reason to keep a pro-level body, to me, is rarely mentioned. If you use superteles, particularly with the extenders, I have found the pro bodies do a much better and faster job focusing when compared to the prosumer bodies. Canon at one point confirmed this superiority and suggested the larger battery (more current) of the pro body had a role here. My experience has been that the pro bodies do a much better job keeping focus on a moving object in this scenario.
Oct 08, 2014 at 03:11 PM
p.5 #197Dii vs 1Div
Scott Kelby has done a field review here
Ignore it when he says it has 24mpx we know it has 20mpx
Skip through to about 14 mins for the high ISO pics. One available on his blog.
At 16000 yes 16k it looks great to me. Now let's say I am at a football game under floodlights and I can get newspaper publishable images at 8000 then to me that will be pretty amazing for a 1.6x sensor.
If has been mentioned on FM the images will be similar to the 70D then not so good. I personally haven't been impressed with high ISO from the 70D.
However it is looking pretty promising.
What is funny on the video is when at around 34 mins they are talking about the ergonomics and RC says 'yes it'll pretty much similar to any Nikon'
Ignore it when he says it has 24mpx we know it has 20mpx
Skip through to about 14 mins for the high ISO pics. One available on his blog.
At 16000 yes 16k it looks great to me. Now let's say I am at a football game under floodlights and I can get newspaper publishable images at 8000 then to me that will be pretty amazing for a 1.6x sensor.
If has been mentioned on FM the images will be similar to the 70D then not so good. I personally haven't been impressed with high ISO from the 70D.
However it is looking pretty promising.
What is funny on the video is when at around 34 mins they are talking about the ergonomics and RC says 'yes it'll pretty much similar to any Nikon'
Oct 08, 2014 at 03:51 PM
p.5 #207Dii vs 1Div
Not really sure who your question is directed at, since nobody here is able to compare the 7DII with a 1D4. The 7D2 is not for sale yet and therefore, its ability is nothing more than conjecture.
But, I am in the same boat as you. For some reason, I even check these forums to find out about how good the 7D2 really is. Which, if you think about it is pretty dumb of me
There isn't one single person on this website who owns the 7D2 and can respond with any degree of useful knowledge at this point.
So, my suggestion for you, is the same as my suggestion/plan for me. Wait. Soon enough (though it doesn't feel like it), the 7D2 will be in some capable people's hands. And in due course, many of them will offer their comments. Then we can weed out those incapable people and discard their opinions. Then we can weed out those people who always think whatever equipment they have is the best and need to shout that loudly (I guess to make them feel good about the intelligence, buying prowess or something) and get down to the nitty gritty of capable and honest people who will share their experiences, for better or worse.
Then, we can either make our decisions with some of our own hands on experiences or we can take the words of other people, who likely have different needs, wants, goals than us and go only on what they say. By the way, I think I will mostly do the latter and hope they were right!
But, I am in the same boat as you. For some reason, I even check these forums to find out about how good the 7D2 really is. Which, if you think about it is pretty dumb of me
There isn't one single person on this website who owns the 7D2 and can respond with any degree of useful knowledge at this point.So, my suggestion for you, is the same as my suggestion/plan for me. Wait. Soon enough (though it doesn't feel like it), the 7D2 will be in some capable people's hands. And in due course, many of them will offer their comments. Then we can weed out those incapable people and discard their opinions. Then we can weed out those people who always think whatever equipment they have is the best and need to shout that loudly (I guess to make them feel good about the intelligence, buying prowess or something) and get down to the nitty gritty of capable and honest people who will share their experiences, for better or worse.
Then, we can either make our decisions with some of our own hands on experiences or we can take the words of other people, who likely have different needs, wants, goals than us and go only on what they say. By the way, I think I will mostly do the latter and hope they were right!
Oct 08, 2014 at 09:29 PM