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p.3 #17Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Pixels per duck
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Pixels per duck
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:02 AM
p.3 #27Dii vs 1Div
Better autofocus...EV -3 sensitivity...Worlds better video performance...Anti-flicker technology...a slew of features that match the 1d IV...at a lower price than 1d IV resales - and that's pre-discounts and/or rebates which you know are coming.
Not to mention pixels per duck....
Not to mention pixels per duck....
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:09 AM
p.3 #37Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.As a former owner of the 1D4 it had pretty nice IQ so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that its files were not so great. If the 7D2 can match the 1D4 for high ISO then Canon will never be able to keep up with demand.I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Maybe the fact the files look that good and are 20mp in a 1.6 crop body, giving you more crop ability in a small body format with the AF ability of the 5DIII or 1DX. No matter it's age, files from a 1DIV are no slouch.
ggreene wrote
Yaryman wrote
Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Maybe the fact the files look that good and are 20mp in a 1.6 crop body, giving you more crop ability in a small body format with the AF ability of the 5DIII or 1DX. No matter it's age, files from a 1DIV are no slouch.
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:11 AM
p.3 #47Dii vs 1Div
I'll be real surprised If the 7dII can match the 1DMKIV in image quality, especially in noise and High ISO's. Its just not that different than the 70D, yes its improved, but mostly just smaller detail changes.
Does it have a new sensor with new technology, not really, and will the AF be as good as the MKIV, maybe .
Maybe its the higher expectations and other MFfg stepping it up, but the 7DII seems more a base hit than a home run.
Does it have a new sensor with new technology, not really, and will the AF be as good as the MKIV, maybe .
Maybe its the higher expectations and other MFfg stepping it up, but the 7DII seems more a base hit than a home run.
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:51 AM
p.3 #57Dii vs 1Div
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Announced; not delivered.
And you're putting the cart before the horse.
Announced; not delivered.
And you're putting the cart before the horse.
Sep 17, 2014 at 10:27 AM
p.3 #67Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
The 7D2 is not competing against FF bodies so why would it have to match their high ISO? There are 1DX users that want them as companion bodies just for the reach alone.
Bsmooth wrote:
and will the AF be as good as the MKIV, maybe.
If not, then the 7D2 is in trouble. It was specifically designed with action in mind and needs the very best AF that Canon has. This isn't low ISO DR we are talking about, this is the very heart of an action cam. The ability to focus on moving subjects at high speed.
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
The 7D2 is not competing against FF bodies so why would it have to match their high ISO? There are 1DX users that want them as companion bodies just for the reach alone.
Bsmooth wrote:
and will the AF be as good as the MKIV, maybe.
If not, then the 7D2 is in trouble. It was specifically designed with action in mind and needs the very best AF that Canon has. This isn't low ISO DR we are talking about, this is the very heart of an action cam. The ability to focus on moving subjects at high speed.
Sep 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM
p.3 #77Dii vs 1Div
ggreene wrote:
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?The 7D2 is not competing against FF bodies so why would it have to match their high ISO? There are 1DX users that want them as companion bodies just for the reach alone.
+1. I have a 5D3 but want the 7DII for extra reach. I don't need the 7DII images to be printed billboard size - not for my BIF shots anyways - so IQ and DR can be compromised.
Yaryman wrote
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
+1. I have a 5D3 but want the 7DII for extra reach. I don't need the 7DII images to be printed billboard size - not for my BIF shots anyways - so IQ and DR can be compromised.
Sep 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM
p.3 #87Dii vs 1Div
Based upon owing the 1Dx and the 5D III, I'd expect the 7D's AF to be vastly superior to that of the 1D IV, which we also own and still use, for the action work we do.
If the image quality, at any given ISO, is comparable to that of the Mark IV, it would be an easy upgrade for us. Even at a price higher than $1800 honestly.
John Caldwell
If the image quality, at any given ISO, is comparable to that of the Mark IV, it would be an easy upgrade for us. Even at a price higher than $1800 honestly.
John Caldwell
Sep 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM
p.3 #97Dii vs 1Div
kapytalyst wrote:
Better autofocus...EV -3 sensitivity...Worlds better video performance...Anti-flicker technology...a slew of features that match the 1d IV...at a lower price than 1d IV resales - and that's pre-discounts and/or rebates which you know are coming.
Not to mention pixels per duck....
Sounds like the video is much better, BUT who buys a 1.6 crop camera when their biggest concern is video?
Those guys love the wide angle close up.
Better autofocus...EV -3 sensitivity...Worlds better video performance...Anti-flicker technology...a slew of features that match the 1d IV...at a lower price than 1d IV resales - and that's pre-discounts and/or rebates which you know are coming.
Not to mention pixels per duck....
Sounds like the video is much better, BUT who buys a 1.6 crop camera when their biggest concern is video?
Those guys love the wide angle close up.
Sep 17, 2014 at 11:21 AM
p.3 #107Dii vs 1Div
So the 7DII is slightly better than the 70D, and its something to get excited about ?
True the files aren't here to actually look at, at least not a good variety.
Canon could have made a statement with this camera, but what it looks like(right now) is that its more of a change from say a 50D to a 60D, or is that the next camera ?
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
The real telltale sign will be all those 70D cameras being sold to move up to the 7DII, which I don't think I'll see happening very soon.
True the files aren't here to actually look at, at least not a good variety.
Canon could have made a statement with this camera, but what it looks like(right now) is that its more of a change from say a 50D to a 60D, or is that the next camera ?
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
The real telltale sign will be all those 70D cameras being sold to move up to the 7DII, which I don't think I'll see happening very soon.
Sep 17, 2014 at 12:44 PM
p.3 #117Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
Not to mention pixels per duck....Sounds like the video is much better, BUT who buys a 1.6 crop camera when their biggest concern is video?
Those guys love the wide angle close up.
I'll wager to say that virtually nobody is buying a 1d IV whose biggest concern is video, and the 7d 2 has more options for wide angle than the 1d IV does, as well (using ef-s lenses).
The only reason to hold on to your 1d IV will be if the image quality is vastly superior, which is yet to be seen but doubtful, or that you prefer the APS-H sensor over APS-C (which is the case with me). In the end there will be a small niche of people preferring the 1d IV, with the majority of sports and wildlife shooters preferring the 7d 2 or going FF.
kapytalyst wrote
Better autofocus...EV -3 sensitivity...Worlds better video performance...Anti-flicker technology...a slew of features that match the 1d IV...at a lower price than 1d IV resales - and that's pre-discounts and/or rebates which you know are coming.Not to mention pixels per duck....
Those guys love the wide angle close up.
I'll wager to say that virtually nobody is buying a 1d IV whose biggest concern is video, and the 7d 2 has more options for wide angle than the 1d IV does, as well (using ef-s lenses).
The only reason to hold on to your 1d IV will be if the image quality is vastly superior, which is yet to be seen but doubtful, or that you prefer the APS-H sensor over APS-C (which is the case with me). In the end there will be a small niche of people preferring the 1d IV, with the majority of sports and wildlife shooters preferring the 7d 2 or going FF.
Sep 17, 2014 at 12:50 PM
p.3 #127Dii vs 1Div
kapytalyst wrote:
Not to mention pixels per duck....Sounds like the video is much better, BUT who buys a 1.6 crop camera when their biggest concern is video?
Those guys love the wide angle close up.I'll wager to say that virtually nobody is buying a 1d IV whose biggest concern is video, and the 7d 2 has more options for wide angle than the 1d IV does, as well (using ef-s lenses).
The only reason to hold on to your 1d IV will be if the image quality is vastly superior, which is yet to be seen but doubtful, or that you prefer the APS-H sensor over APS-C (which is the case with me). In the end there will be a small niche of people preferring the 1d IV, with the majority of sports and wildlife...Show more →
Hopefully this brings the prices down for the 1D4 from the stratosphere. Those things are not worth what people are charging in this market, particularly when its older brother - the 1D3 - can be had for 1/3 the price and has everything except the sensor and a mildly lesser AF from the 1D4. Mostly, I just want the price to go down on them so I can trade in my aging 1D3 for a sparkling shiny and beaten 1D4
Yaryman wrote
kapytalyst wrote
Better autofocus...EV -3 sensitivity...Worlds better video performance...Anti-flicker technology...a slew of features that match the 1d IV...at a lower price than 1d IV resales - and that's pre-discounts and/or rebates which you know are coming.Not to mention pixels per duck....
Those guys love the wide angle close up.
The only reason to hold on to your 1d IV will be if the image quality is vastly superior, which is yet to be seen but doubtful, or that you prefer the APS-H sensor over APS-C (which is the case with me). In the end there will be a small niche of people preferring the 1d IV, with the majority of sports and wildlife...Show more →
Hopefully this brings the prices down for the 1D4 from the stratosphere. Those things are not worth what people are charging in this market, particularly when its older brother - the 1D3 - can be had for 1/3 the price and has everything except the sensor and a mildly lesser AF from the 1D4. Mostly, I just want the price to go down on them so I can trade in my aging 1D3 for a sparkling shiny and beaten 1D4
Sep 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM
p.3 #137Dii vs 1Div
Bsmooth wrote:
So the 7DII is slightly better than the 70D, and its something to get excited about ?
True the files aren't here to actually look at, at least not a good variety.
Canon could have made a statement with this camera, but what it looks like(right now) is that its more of a change from say a 50D to a 60D, or is that the next camera ?
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
The real telltale sign will be all those 70D cameras being sold to move up to...Show more →
To me, as a hobbyist sports shooter, it's significantly better than the 70d - at least on paper. It shoots faster, has better AF, adjusts for light flicker, has a better viewfinder, has dual card slots, and matches or exceeds the specs of the 70d in just about every other area that matters to a sports shooter.
So the 7DII is slightly better than the 70D, and its something to get excited about ?
True the files aren't here to actually look at, at least not a good variety.
Canon could have made a statement with this camera, but what it looks like(right now) is that its more of a change from say a 50D to a 60D, or is that the next camera ?
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
The real telltale sign will be all those 70D cameras being sold to move up to...Show more →
To me, as a hobbyist sports shooter, it's significantly better than the 70d - at least on paper. It shoots faster, has better AF, adjusts for light flicker, has a better viewfinder, has dual card slots, and matches or exceeds the specs of the 70d in just about every other area that matters to a sports shooter.
Sep 17, 2014 at 01:00 PM
p.3 #147Dii vs 1Div
Bsmooth wrote:
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
Since you have not used the camera, nor read any comprehensive reviews, what does it matter if you are not "real impressed"?
Of course we'll all wait and see, but as you can tell I'm not real impressed.
Since you have not used the camera, nor read any comprehensive reviews, what does it matter if you are not "real impressed"?
Sep 17, 2014 at 01:55 PM
p.3 #157Dii vs 1Div
Specs don't mean crap, especially when discussing a product that isn't even available yet.
Nobody make's a mid level, mid priced product that outperforms their top of the line, top dollar, professional equipment (at least not intentionally).
So let's be realistic.
The 7DII is not going to outperform the 5D3, the 1D4 or the 1DX.
Now, that certainly doesn't mean that it can't be a great camera, which I think we all hope it will be. Everybody benefits from steps forward, even if you don't buy that specific product. Look at the talk that some 1DX features have rolled down to the 7D2.
Nobody make's a mid level, mid priced product that outperforms their top of the line, top dollar, professional equipment (at least not intentionally).
So let's be realistic.
The 7DII is not going to outperform the 5D3, the 1D4 or the 1DX.
Now, that certainly doesn't mean that it can't be a great camera, which I think we all hope it will be. Everybody benefits from steps forward, even if you don't buy that specific product. Look at the talk that some 1DX features have rolled down to the 7D2.
Sep 17, 2014 at 02:20 PM
p.3 #167Dii vs 1Div
kapytalyst wrote:
Prediction - those holding on to their 1d iv's will regret it as the resale market for these cams plummets. 7d2 does everything the 1d iv does, and does useful things that no other camera does.
I so hope you're right, so I can finally pick up a Mk IV ...
Prediction - those holding on to their 1d iv's will regret it as the resale market for these cams plummets. 7d2 does everything the 1d iv does, and does useful things that no other camera does.
I so hope you're right, so I can finally pick up a Mk IV ...
Sep 17, 2014 at 03:26 PM
p.3 #177Dii vs 1Div
kezeka wrote:
Those things are not worth what people are charging in this market, particularly when its older brother - the 1D3 - can be had for 1/3 the price and has everything except the sensor and a mildly lesser AF from the 1D4. Mostly, I just want the price to go down on them so I can trade in my aging 1D3 for a sparkling shiny and beaten 1D4
The 1D3, rightly or wrongly, has a stigma attached to it because of the AF fiasco. That is probably playing a factor in its pricing.
kzoockof wrote:
The 7DII is not going to outperform the 5D3, the 1D4 or the 1DX.
That will depend largely on what conditions you are shooting in. For daytime FL limited shooting (something I do fairly often in the Fall) the pixel density on the 7D2 is not going to be beaten by any of those other bodies.
AF wise I'm thinking this is Canon showing off some of it's next generation technology. It may well track and lock better then the 5D3/1DX. I would assume that the 5D4/1DX2 will step over it however. Time will tell.
Those things are not worth what people are charging in this market, particularly when its older brother - the 1D3 - can be had for 1/3 the price and has everything except the sensor and a mildly lesser AF from the 1D4. Mostly, I just want the price to go down on them so I can trade in my aging 1D3 for a sparkling shiny and beaten 1D4
The 1D3, rightly or wrongly, has a stigma attached to it because of the AF fiasco. That is probably playing a factor in its pricing.
kzoockof wrote:
The 7DII is not going to outperform the 5D3, the 1D4 or the 1DX.
That will depend largely on what conditions you are shooting in. For daytime FL limited shooting (something I do fairly often in the Fall) the pixel density on the 7D2 is not going to be beaten by any of those other bodies.
AF wise I'm thinking this is Canon showing off some of it's next generation technology. It may well track and lock better then the 5D3/1DX. I would assume that the 5D4/1DX2 will step over it however. Time will tell.
Sep 17, 2014 at 03:31 PM
p.3 #187Dii vs 1Div
If the files compare to the 70D they will be better than the 7D but not nearly as nice as the 1DIV. I hope it comes close though (not that I'm looking forward to a drop in price in the 1 series, especially as I need it for the fall season. I hate vapor releases).
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:00 PM
p.3 #197Dii vs 1Div
Yep, 1Div prices due to come down. 1DX new prices seem to be softening and its not like digital cameras (outside of the Leica 240 M) increase in price.
The 1DIII has been an incredible value for me when I got it almost two years ago for like $1300. I see the advantages of the 7DII, but for the kids sports shots 10FPS is 10FPS and I get enough hits on focus now. There just isn't enough of a bump here for ME. The main thing tempting me is I assume its buffer will fill up more slowly and allow longer bursts.
My 5DII is my video camera and I'll wait for the 5DIV (or probably get a Sony A7R or S) next.
Oddly, if the 100-400 had come out, I might have been tempted for a two-for, but for 1800+ grip ($2100?)- that's just not enough bump.
To me, I think people are silly to over look the price/performance of the 1DIII- even with the new camera.
The 1DIII has been an incredible value for me when I got it almost two years ago for like $1300. I see the advantages of the 7DII, but for the kids sports shots 10FPS is 10FPS and I get enough hits on focus now. There just isn't enough of a bump here for ME. The main thing tempting me is I assume its buffer will fill up more slowly and allow longer bursts.
My 5DII is my video camera and I'll wait for the 5DIV (or probably get a Sony A7R or S) next.
Oddly, if the 100-400 had come out, I might have been tempted for a two-for, but for 1800+ grip ($2100?)- that's just not enough bump.
To me, I think people are silly to over look the price/performance of the 1DIII- even with the new camera.
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:45 PM
p.3 #207Dii vs 1Div
anselwannab wrote:
To me, I think people are silly to over look the price/performance of the 1DIII- even with the new camera.
There are a dozen models you can say that about.
To me, I think people are silly to over look the price/performance of the 1DIII- even with the new camera.
There are a dozen models you can say that about.
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:13 PM