Archive 2014 · Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
p.13 #1Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
See this link Carsten:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Walter_Mandler
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Walter_Mandler
Aug 01, 2014 at 01:19 PM
p.13 #2Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
That page has several errors. The 50mm Summilux-R II has photos and (partial?) stats of the E60, and the Summilux-R III E60 page has a photo of a gold 50mm Summilux-R E55. The E55 is not attributed to Mandler, but I don't know who else it would be attributed to? It is too early for Karbe, I am pretty sure. Btw, the Summilux-R I and II were optically identical, possibly excepting coatings, so it is unusual that they are separately numbered on that wiki. Puts, the source for the data on that wiki, does not do this.
Aug 01, 2014 at 01:49 PM
p.13 #3Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
carstenw wrote:
That page has several errors. The 50mm Summilux-R II has photos and (partial?) stats of the E60, and the Summilux-R III E60 page has a photo of a gold 50mm Summilux-R E55. The E55 is not attributed to Mandler, but I don't know who else it would be attributed to? It is too early for Karbe, I am pretty sure. Btw, the Summilux-R I and II were optically identical, possibly excepting coatings, so it is unusual that they are separately numbered on that wiki. Puts, the source for the data on that wiki, does not do this.
Heinz Marquardt is credited for the first Summilux-R (and therefore the e55, right?). Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source out there?
That page has several errors. The 50mm Summilux-R II has photos and (partial?) stats of the E60, and the Summilux-R III E60 page has a photo of a gold 50mm Summilux-R E55. The E55 is not attributed to Mandler, but I don't know who else it would be attributed to? It is too early for Karbe, I am pretty sure. Btw, the Summilux-R I and II were optically identical, possibly excepting coatings, so it is unusual that they are separately numbered on that wiki. Puts, the source for the data on that wiki, does not do this.
Heinz Marquardt is credited for the first Summilux-R (and therefore the e55, right?). Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source out there?
Aug 01, 2014 at 02:12 PM
p.13 #4Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
The pages on that site do contain a number of errors, but it can still be useful. Puts talks about this sort of stuff at times and I would consider more definitive, but I haven't seen him create a complete list--just mentions the designers sometimes in his columns. I am also fairly sure that Mandler developed the R 80 summilux and it isn't on the list either. Perhaps someone has another reference (probably need an old fashioned book) that could help us develop a better list.
Aug 01, 2014 at 02:26 PM
p.13 #5Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
I am totally confused by Leica lenses and particularly that Leica look.
Can't define it, but I'm sure most of you know. Which Leica lenses give that classic Leica look? Do they give that look attached to the A7r or A7s?
Can't define it, but I'm sure most of you know. Which Leica lenses give that classic Leica look? Do they give that look attached to the A7r or A7s?
Aug 01, 2014 at 02:35 PM
p.13 #6Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Henrik – that's most gracious of you, will send you a pm.
Bluffer wrote:
I am totally confused by Leica lenses and particularly that Leica look.
Can't define it, but I'm sure most of you know. Which Leica lenses give that classic Leica look? Do they give that look attached to the A7r or A7s?
you're certainly not the first or last to be confused: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1001925/0
the classic leica look is quite different from the modern leica look. the mandler lenses that this thread is dedicated to typically have a look characterized by relatively high spherical aberration wide open (mandler/leica "glow") while maintaining high resolution across the frame (i won't call it sharpness because the low contrast makes it look less sharp despite the high resolution). typically when these lenses are stopped down they become very sharp and contrasty across the frame and are actually quite good for landscape shooting.
a couple images cross posted from the A7 thread with the m 35 lux pre-asph, both are wide open i believe:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3892/14510138638_a970ee264c_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5576/14604961940_aebaaa656a_o.jpg
Bluffer wrote:
I am totally confused by Leica lenses and particularly that Leica look.
Can't define it, but I'm sure most of you know. Which Leica lenses give that classic Leica look? Do they give that look attached to the A7r or A7s?
you're certainly not the first or last to be confused: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1001925/0
the classic leica look is quite different from the modern leica look. the mandler lenses that this thread is dedicated to typically have a look characterized by relatively high spherical aberration wide open (mandler/leica "glow") while maintaining high resolution across the frame (i won't call it sharpness because the low contrast makes it look less sharp despite the high resolution). typically when these lenses are stopped down they become very sharp and contrasty across the frame and are actually quite good for landscape shooting.
a couple images cross posted from the A7 thread with the m 35 lux pre-asph, both are wide open i believe:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3892/14510138638_a970ee264c_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5576/14604961940_aebaaa656a_o.jpg
Aug 01, 2014 at 05:03 PM
p.13 #7Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
^^ That's the Leica look I'm on about. Ta!
So a 35 Lux Pre-aspherical works.
I wish there was a comprehensive list of what work and wot don't.
So a 35 Lux Pre-aspherical works.
I wish there was a comprehensive list of what work and wot don't.
Aug 01, 2014 at 05:32 PM
p.13 #8Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
freaklikeme wrote:
Heinz Marquardt is credited for the first Summilux-R (and therefore the e55, right?). Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
Interesting. I guess the 50mm Summilux-R lenses then do not qualify for this thread. Interestingly, neither does the 60mm Macro-Elmarit-R, which was also designed by Marquardt, the photo included on the Wikipedia Mandler page notwithstanding. The 80 Summilux-R and 75 Summilux-M WERE designed by Mandler, however.
Heinz Marquardt is credited for the first Summilux-R (and therefore the e55, right?). Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
Interesting. I guess the 50mm Summilux-R lenses then do not qualify for this thread. Interestingly, neither does the 60mm Macro-Elmarit-R, which was also designed by Marquardt, the photo included on the Wikipedia Mandler page notwithstanding. The 80 Summilux-R and 75 Summilux-M WERE designed by Mandler, however.
Aug 01, 2014 at 05:43 PM
p.13 #9Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Greggf wrote:
Thanks Steve! Those shots look great, but the last one really stands out to me!!
Gregg
I am glad you like that one. It is one of my favourites. I shot it while I was taking a photography class and it was inspired by Irving Penn's work who we were studying that week. He is such a good photographer, but not mentioned as often as some others.
Aug 01, 2014 at 07:38 PM
p.13 #10Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Steve Spencer wrote:
Puts talks about this sort of stuff at times and I would consider more definitive, but I haven't seen him create a complete list--just mentions the designers sometimes in his columns.
Perhaps someone has another reference (probably need an old fashioned book) that could help us develop a better list.
Indeed, Puts doesn't always provide detailed design descriptions for every lens; however, there are pages in his book Leica Compendium that may lead to conclusions. Early chapters in the book reference history of Midland factory and W. Mandler, but I found 'Leica Lens Reports' even more interesting. Please note designs locations, specifically ELC (Ernst Leitz Canada)
I don't think anyone else besides Mandler was associated with principle designs out of ELCAN, so perhaps these charts may be a clue.
PS.
Not sure if I am violating any copyrights/reproductions agreement, but if so please let me know and I will remove these images or come to other agreements.
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-0.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-1.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-2.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-3.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-4.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-5.jpg
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http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-6.jpg
Edited on Aug 02, 2014 at 01:06 PM · View previous versions
Puts talks about this sort of stuff at times and I would consider more definitive, but I haven't seen him create a complete list--just mentions the designers sometimes in his columns.
Perhaps someone has another reference (probably need an old fashioned book) that could help us develop a better list.
Indeed, Puts doesn't always provide detailed design descriptions for every lens; however, there are pages in his book Leica Compendium that may lead to conclusions. Early chapters in the book reference history of Midland factory and W. Mandler, but I found 'Leica Lens Reports' even more interesting. Please note designs locations, specifically ELC (Ernst Leitz Canada)
I don't think anyone else besides Mandler was associated with principle designs out of ELCAN, so perhaps these charts may be a clue.
PS.
Not sure if I am violating any copyrights/reproductions agreement, but if so please let me know and I will remove these images or come to other agreements.
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-0.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-1.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-2.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-3.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-4.jpg
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-5.jpg
[Edit]
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/LEITZ-LST-6.jpg
Edited on Aug 02, 2014 at 01:06 PM · View previous versions
Aug 01, 2014 at 08:19 PM
p.13 #11Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
No worries about copyright. Less than 10% is generally considered fair use. This would fall under the fair use exemption.
Aug 01, 2014 at 09:02 PM
p.13 #12Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Some shots from today with the new to me R Cron 50 German made...Does anyone know if this later German made is any different the Canadian version?
Gregg
This lens is incredibly painterly! More so than my Lux 50
Gregg
This lens is incredibly painterly! More so than my Lux 50
Aug 01, 2014 at 11:03 PM
p.13 #13Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Greggf wrote:
Some shots from today with the new to me R Cron 50 German made...Does anyone know if this later German made is any different the Canadian version?
Gregg
According to what I've read, no. The Canadian e55 had the same optics that are still used today in the non-APO Summicron M.
Some shots from today with the new to me R Cron 50 German made...Does anyone know if this later German made is any different the Canadian version?
Gregg
According to what I've read, no. The Canadian e55 had the same optics that are still used today in the non-APO Summicron M.
Aug 01, 2014 at 11:40 PM
p.13 #14Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
freaklikeme wrote:
Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source...Show more →
wait, i'm pretty sure that the summilux m 50 pre-asph e46 with the built in hood did not have any optical changes from the vII e43 version that came before it. are they crediting Karbe with the body redesign?
Bluffer wrote:
^^ That's the Leica look I'm on about. Ta!
So a 35 Lux Pre-aspherical works.
I wish there was a comprehensive list of what work and wot don't.
yup the 35 lux pre-asph works great imo. the problem with making a list is that people seem to come to different conclusions with the same lens. some of that is differences between the a7 and a7r and some is differences in shooting style and sensitivity to a little softness.
Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.
There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source...Show more →
wait, i'm pretty sure that the summilux m 50 pre-asph e46 with the built in hood did not have any optical changes from the vII e43 version that came before it. are they crediting Karbe with the body redesign?
Bluffer wrote:
^^ That's the Leica look I'm on about. Ta!
So a 35 Lux Pre-aspherical works.
I wish there was a comprehensive list of what work and wot don't.
yup the 35 lux pre-asph works great imo. the problem with making a list is that people seem to come to different conclusions with the same lens. some of that is differences between the a7 and a7r and some is differences in shooting style and sensitivity to a little softness.
Aug 02, 2014 at 11:38 AM
p.13 #15Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
sebboh wrote:
There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source out there?wait, i'm pretty sure that the summilux m 50 pre-asph e46 with the built in hood did not have any optical changes from the vII e43 version that came before it. are they crediting Karbe with the body redesign?
Yes? I have no idea. I'd heard the same and Putz seems to back it up by only identifying two versions (he only considers optical changes to be new versions, apparently) so it's probably just another error on the wiki.
freaklikeme wrote
Karbe's credited with the Summilux-M 50 pre-A with the built-in hood (1992) so he would've been around for the 1998 redesign of the R, when they introduced the e60.There is confusing and conflicting information in the wiki, though. Mandler is credited with the first two Summilux-M 50s on their individual pages, but neither are included in that master list in the link. I've also heard that one of his first jobs for Leica was working on aerial lenses for their 70mm cameras, but I can't find any any reference on them So who knows? Is there a more definitive source out there?
Yes? I have no idea. I'd heard the same and Putz seems to back it up by only identifying two versions (he only considers optical changes to be new versions, apparently) so it's probably just another error on the wiki.
Aug 02, 2014 at 01:49 PM
p.13 #16Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Yeah I sort of assumed that since Karbe designed the 50 Lux ASPH they got the wki mixed up.
Aug 02, 2014 at 02:04 PM
p.13 #17Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Flowers with A7r and Leica 90mm Elmarit-R This lens is really easy to like.
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-jSBhWBs/0/O/DSC05670.jpg
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-Sv4M52n/0/O/DSC05671.jpg
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-q3cvM8G/0/O/DSC05662-2.jpg
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-jSBhWBs/0/O/DSC05670.jpg
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-Sv4M52n/0/O/DSC05671.jpg
http://jendale.smugmug.com/Other/Home-and-yard/i-q3cvM8G/0/O/DSC05662-2.jpg
Aug 02, 2014 at 07:28 PM
p.13 #18Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Flying high, flying safe: air-guide at home ground:
Lux 80-R WO; when you nail it, you do.
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC4090_640.jpg
Lux 80-R WO; when you nail it, you do.
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC4090_640.jpg
Aug 02, 2014 at 08:49 PM
p.13 #19Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Beautiful Jack! And...yes you did!!
Aug 02, 2014 at 10:36 PM
p.13 #20Through Walter Mandler Glass (on FF Only)
Lazy Sunday afternoon. A7r and 50 Nocti f/1.0 @ f/1.0
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Aug 03, 2014 at 06:12 AM