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The 58mm F/1.4G Thread

  
 
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p.92 #1 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


hi guys, i finally decided to get one used 58 1.4. now im confused. Is my copy good?
I post in my flickr a few photos, all shot at 1.4, neutral setting, resized and cropped in lightroom. Could u guys please take a look and tell me, im so confused about the sharpness and CA of this lens at 1.4


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Feb 23, 2015 at 09:22 PM
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p.92 #2 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


With my 58 1.4G gone, I can now begin the search for the elusive Noct-NIKKOR 58 1.2 AIS! you can catch me over at the MFNG thread....

peace out homies



Feb 23, 2015 at 09:49 PM
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p.92 #3 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread




Joseph. wrote:
With my 58 1.4G gone, I can now begin the search for the elusive Noct-NIKKOR 58 1.2 AIS! you can catch me over at the MFNG thread....

peace out homies


Good luck Home slice! The 58mm is still better than the Noct but hopefully you'll find one, probably for the same price as the 58mm



Feb 23, 2015 at 10:07 PM
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p.92 #4 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


isn't the Noct like $3k now?


Feb 23, 2015 at 10:46 PM
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p.92 #5 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Joseph. wrote:
With my 58 1.4G gone, I can now begin the search for the elusive Noct-NIKKOR 58 1.2 AIS! you can catch me over at the MFNG thread....

peace out homies


God speed brutha! Meet you over there in 2016!



Feb 23, 2015 at 11:24 PM
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p.92 #6 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Chester87 wrote:
hi guys, i finally decided to get one used 58 1.4. now im confused. Is my copy good?
I post in my flickr a few photos, all shot at 1.4, neutral setting, resized and cropped in lightroom. Could u guys please take a look and tell me, im so confused about the sharpness and CA of this lens at 1.4

Link to the album


Did you already afft? I think you're a little front focusing. Your book shot shows a little purple fringing on the letters of which I think you focused on. Try not to take shots too close, this isn't meant for shots like that at mfd.



Feb 23, 2015 at 11:30 PM
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p.92 #7 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Chester87 wrote:
hi guys, i finally decided to get one used 58 1.4. now im confused. Is my copy good?
I post in my flickr a few photos, all shot at 1.4, neutral setting, resized and cropped in lightroom. Could u guys please take a look and tell me, im so confused about the sharpness and CA of this lens at 1.4

Link to the album


It does seem a little soft, but several shots seem to have missed focus as well. Have you tried AF fine-tuning? That is sure to help. Remember that DoF is very thin at f1.4 and moving subject, ie kids, are tough to get in focus even with fast shutter speeds because once you focus they tend to move before you snap the picture, so while your shutter speed will stop the motion, it won't help fix AF inaccuracy.



Feb 23, 2015 at 11:31 PM
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p.92 #8 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Chester87 wrote:
hi guys, i finally decided to get one used 58 1.4. now im confused. Is my copy good?
I post in my flickr a few photos, all shot at 1.4, neutral setting, resized and cropped in lightroom. Could u guys please take a look and tell me, im so confused about the sharpness and CA of this lens at 1.4

Link to the album


Looks plenty sharp; you're just missing focus.



Feb 24, 2015 at 07:27 AM
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p.92 #9 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Joseph. wrote:
With my 58 1.4G gone, I can now begin the search for the elusive Noct-NIKKOR 58 1.2 AIS! you can catch me over at the MFNG thread....

peace out homies


Adios Amigo and don't ever come back, traitor!




Feb 24, 2015 at 08:49 AM
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p.92 #10 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


low325 wrote:
Did you already afft? I think you're a little front focusing. Your book shot shows a little purple fringing on the letters of which I think you focused on. Try not to take shots too close, this isn't meant for shots like that at mfd.


Thanks for your time. As you see, it's not just from the shot of books, but also from the shots of a male kid, u can see the color fringing in his eyes too. is it normal with this lens? I thought it should not.
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chrisfphotog wroteIt does seem a little soft, but several shots seem to have missed focus as well. Have you tried AF fine-tuning? That is sure to help. Remember that DoF is very thin at f1.4 and moving subject, ie kids, are tough to get in focus even with fast shutter speeds because once you focus they tend to move before you snap the picture, so while your shutter speed will stop the motion, it won't help fix AF inaccuracy.

Thanks for your time, i did make AFT, first +5, then +10 and now i have to make it +20. When i do manual focus, it looks identical to AFT at +20, so i'm pretty sure it has to go with my D700 at the value of +20. Anyway, +20 is the maximum value we can do on AFT.
Here are photos with Tripod, Mirror up, Remote Shooting, Neutral Picture Style Setting, subjects are about 1.2 meter from camera. Only resized by Lightroom, no sharpness enhancement at all.
1. Manual Focus

2. AF finetune off

3. AF Fine Tune on (+20)


Here i do compare with my 50 1.8, bot shots at 1.8, they look identical
4. 50 1.8G @ 1.8

5. 58 1.4G @ 1.8


I'm trying to get to try it on different bodies like D800/810/750/DF to see if it still comes out with softness.
The lens i bought is an used one, it has the store's warranty, but from a place like i'm living, it would be troublesome if the lens is a bad copy.



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p.92 #11 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


The manual focus and your afft +20 look identical to me. And thata plenty sharp for me. That's kinda what mine looks like.

I was actually referring to the shot of the vertical books/packets. But the horizontal ones look sharp



Feb 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM
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p.92 #12 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Do the test again with something like a barcode on a box; make sure Chromatic Abberation correction is turned OFF in LR. Seeing chromatic abberation is key to fine tuning an f/1.4 lens. I see it in most of those pictures.

I've said it many times on here:
Green = back focusing
Purple = front focusing



Feb 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM
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Feb 24, 2015 at 05:41 PM
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p.92 #14 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Elijah, that is one sexy photo.


Feb 24, 2015 at 08:08 PM
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p.92 #15 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Jason_Brook wrote:
Do the test again with something like a barcode on a box; make sure Chromatic Abberation correction is turned OFF in LR. Seeing chromatic abberation is key to fine tuning an f/1.4 lens. I see it in most of those pictures.

I've said it many times on here:
Green = back focusing
Purple = front focusing


thank you for your advice. i'd do it again. until now, what i do with AFFT is look at how sharpness scale move with AFFT by my eyes.
Do you have any instruction for that?



Feb 24, 2015 at 08:39 PM
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p.92 #16 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Chester87 wrote:
thank you for your advice. i'd do it again. until now, what i do with AFFT is look at how sharpness scale move with AFFT by my eyes.
Do you have any instruction for that?




CA is unique by color when it's back or front focused, and in my opinion is the easiest way to fine tune a lens. Obviously CA is tremendously worse on f/1.4 lenses, but it makes it that much easier. Get something extremely high contrast like a barcode label, put it in strong lighting to promote CA. If your test subject has green CA, you're front focusing. If it's purple, you're back focusing. There really is no scientific process/instruction to it. You're just looking to see what color the CA is. If there's none, it's dead on.

This is not my photo, but should help illustrate what's going on






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Feb 24, 2015 at 08:47 PM
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p.92 #17 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Do I have my colors backwards for front/back in my explanation? I'm entirely too tired to be instructing anyone of anything.

Edit - Yes I do...

Purple is BACK focused. Green is FRONT focused.



Feb 24, 2015 at 09:11 PM
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p.92 #18 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Jason_Brook wrote:
CA is unique by color when it's back or front focused, and in my opinion is the easiest way to fine tune a lens. Obviously CA is tremendously worse on f/1.4 lenses, but it makes it that much easier. Get something extremely high contrast like a barcode label, put it in strong lighting to promote CA. If your test subject has green CA, you're front focusing. If it's purple, you're back focusing. There really is no scientific process/instruction to it. You're just looking to see what color the CA is. If there's none, it's dead on.

This is not my photo,
...Show more

Thank you, i totally get it now.
I'll do the test again, if it's not the back/front focus issues, maybe the lens is just...soft.



Feb 25, 2015 at 01:39 AM
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p.92 #19 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


Joseph. wrote:
With my 58 1.4G gone, I can now begin the search for the elusive Noct-NIKKOR 58 1.2 AIS! you can catch me over at the MFNG thread....

peace out homies

Thinking about selling my Noct-Nikkor Ai-s (1998 production year, serial number is very high) - near mint condition (papers, boxes, caps, no signs of dust / fungus / scratches etc.).

Won't be cheap, if still interested => PM




Feb 26, 2015 at 09:07 AM
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p.92 #20 · The 58mm F/1.4G Thread


lichtspieler wrote:
Thinking about selling my Noct-Nikkor Ai-s (1998 production year, serial number is very high) - near mint condition (papers, boxes, caps, no signs of dust / fungus / scratches etc.).

Won't be cheap, if still interested => PM



Joseph, DON'T do it!



Feb 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM
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