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p.100 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are some reviews for Canon FD lenses you may already have. (Tested on the Sony A7)
  1. Canon FDn 20mm f/2.8

  2. Canon FDn 24mm f/2.8

  3. Canon FDn 28mm f/2.8

  4. Canon FDn 35mm f/2.8


Fred, thanks!

Here's my Canon list...some are FD most are FDn...if you want to test any, just let me know!

17 f4, 28/35 f2, 24/28/35 f2.8
50 f1.4s and 1.8s - 2x each, 50 f3.5 macro
100 f4 macro - 2x FD/FDn the n is boxed
200 f2.8, 200 f4 macro
300 f4
35-105 f3.5
80-200 f4 w/case
Several 2x T/Cs, both A and B

The rest are 3rd party glass Soligar, Sigma, Tamron Adaptal and Vivitar...



Jan 04, 2014 at 08:46 PM
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p.100 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


dehowie wrote:
So in summary if Canon where to release a manual focus DSLR that was 38MP, needs a special lens mount of which so work some do not, that has huge flare problems, lens alignment issues,no AF but offered 2 stops extra DR, plus huge RAW compression which would create artifacts exactly in the mode you bought it to use it. For pushing shadows greatly etc you would rush out and buy one??
Given the reception the 5DMk3 got maybe the words marketing ploy, ripoff come to mind that Sony should be being showered with as opposed to anything near a compliment.
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I guess you know all this 1st hand right ?



Jan 04, 2014 at 10:42 PM
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p.100 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Thw2-I thought the same thing when I tried the A7r in the store but have been pleasantly surprised at how great the camera has been. I have been using the A7R with the 55 as my walk around for a few weeks now and haven't touched the 5D3 or X-E1. My main subjects have been my 19 month old and 5 year old sons. There are probably a slight percentage less keepers due to missed focus compared to the 5D3 but the A7R is with me more due to portability.



Jan 05, 2014 at 12:01 AM
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p.100 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


I finally bought the sony F43M flash for my A7r, with the full manual lens VM35/1.2 ASPH II, it still have have TTL and very accurate.

The turnable flash head is awesome in portrait postion, making the operation much much convenient!

Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0403


Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0404


Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0405

I think with the hand grip will be a perfect balance

I found a model for some a test shot, you can see there is no shadow can be seen on the wall in portrait position


Flickr 上 marksman01DSC07179a


By the way I have the VM35 shoot at f/4, you can see the resolution when the A7r combo with a good optics (the above photo have full size jpeg in my flickr)

Here 100% crop for reference

Flickr 上 marksman01DSC07179b


Flickr 上 marksman01DSC07179



Jan 05, 2014 at 12:56 AM
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p.100 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Fred -- Thanks for the links on the lens data. I've got the New FD 24/2.8, 35/2.8 and 50/3.5 macro -- all three are outstanding when I used them on the M4/3 bodies. Glad I kept them -- perhaps someday I'll get some FF use out of them. I knew they were very good, but the charts really put them into perspective. I'd rate the 35 and 50 as the best of the bunch.

Jerry -- Crazy (like a fox) of you to keep that collection of FD lenses!



Jan 05, 2014 at 01:19 AM
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p.100 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Gunzorro wrote:
Fred -- Thanks for the links on the lens data. I've got the New FD 24/2.8, 35/2.8 and 50/3.5 macro -- all three are outstanding when I used them on the M4/3 bodies. Glad I kept them -- perhaps someday I'll get some FF use out of them. I knew they were very good, but the charts really put them into perspective. I'd rate the 35 and 50 as the best of the bunch.

Jerry -- Crazy (like a fox) of you to keep that collection of FD lenses!


Jim - Moi crazy, yep, I just like the old glass, the non Canon branded lenses are a mix of odds-n-ends, my early film days; after injury, were quite fun, lots of experimenting as I got use to my new body; it's failings and abilities. All good, I didn't even go AF until 2000, then digital in 2007. My old cameras are still fun, there's even a few dozen rolls of Velvia in the frig

And, I'm with ya on the 50 f3.5 macro, it's stellar, the 100 is also good, but my preference is the 200 f4 macro...it's killer. My next project is a bit of flower imaging, studio work, I'm going to play a bit with my 1DMk2N and the old 200 via Ed Mika's adapter, should be fun to see how those 8MPs and old glass hold up



Jan 05, 2014 at 01:48 AM
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p.100 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


KKFung wrote:
I finally bought the sony F43M flash for my A7r, with the full manual lens VM35/1.2 ASPH II, it still have have TTL and very accurate.

The turnable flash head is awesome in portrait postion, making the operation much much convenient!
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5498/11768302766_dca89778b4_b.jpg
Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0403

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5543/11768292166_0fe6876dcf_b.jpg
Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0404

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7393/11767940514_de3640ba34_b.jpg
Flickr 上 marksman01DSC_0405

I think with the hand grip will be a perfect balance

I found a model for some a test shot, you can see there is no shadow can be seen on the wall in portrait position

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7372/11764801685_7e49bf9305_b.jpg
Flickr 上 marksman01DSC07179a

By the way I have the VM35 shoot at f/4, you
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KKFung, thank you. You have a very nice test sample on flickr...I am thinking the same lens to go with A7r. BTW, Sony flash system seems doing very well too...I still don't know how they can eliminate the shadows in this case

Edited on Jan 05, 2014 at 02:28 AM · View previous versions



Jan 05, 2014 at 02:10 AM
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p.100 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


mttran wrote:
KKFung, thank you. You have a very nice test sample here...I am thinking the same lens to go with A7r.


Thank Michael. The only issue for this lens is manual focus in wide open, peaking function cannot help in wide open focus for sure, the only way is to use magnfier, BUT ... at f/1.2 - f/2.8, even you have the magnifier it is still difficult to nail the focal plane /point, you need back and forth the focus ring to define the focus point. So you need to have the model keep still for you until she hear you complete the shutter (with flash is better she know when you are done )



Jan 05, 2014 at 02:21 AM
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p.100 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


KKFung wrote:
Thank Michael. The only issue for this lens is manual focus in wide open, peaking function cannot help in wide open focus for sure, the only way is to use magnfier, BUT ... at f/1.2 - f/2.8, even you have the magnifier it is still difficult to nail the focal plane /point, you need back and forth the focus ring to define the focus point. So you need to have the model keep still for you until she hear you complete the shutter (with flash is better she know when you are done )


yuck...I take that as a bad news but the only 35mm at f1.2 thanks

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Jan 05, 2014 at 02:30 AM
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p.100 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


I'm pending auto focus super fast standard prime FE mount to challenge my canon's 61AF points with 50L


Jan 05, 2014 at 02:39 AM
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suchy wrote:
Thw2-I thought the same thing when I tried the A7r in the store but have been pleasantly surprised at how great the camera has been. I have been using the A7R with the 55 as my walk around for a few weeks now and haven't touched the 5D3 or X-E1. My main subjects have been my 19 month old and 5 year old sons. There are probably a slight percentage less keepers due to missed focus compared to the 5D3 but the A7R is with me more due to portability.


Cool. We are in similar positions. That was how I felt when I owned the OMD EM5 a year ago. However, I realized even though the camera was with me most of the time, I rarely used it because I disliked the handling and EVF. Ended up selling my entire m43 collection. I know I will do the same with the A7R/A7.



Jan 05, 2014 at 08:09 AM
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p.100 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


mttran wrote:
Sony flash system seems doing very well too...I still don't know how they can eliminate the shadows in this case


I like the ability to turn the flash head vertically so easily. The results look very nice.



Jan 05, 2014 at 10:26 AM
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p.100 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


After numerous boring test charts, pictures of walls, etc... , I finally took the Sony A7R for a spin tonight.
I wanted to see how it portrayed dusk colors and post processing. My daughter and I edited the files together and we were impressed. I could push shadows and bring back highlights while the file remained clean and detailed.
Nikon shooters have been spoiled by the D800/D800E but it was nice to test my Canon TS-E 17mm with this sensor. Next, Death Valley!

Check out the images at the Landscape board:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1264634



Jan 05, 2014 at 11:17 AM
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Great images, Fred. I didn't expect anything less from you . I have seen plenty of your images and actually, except for the MP difference, I believe that your images using your Canon 5D Mark III were similar, right? I am talking about the final results and not how to get there. Yes, the MP difference will enable you to print larger and to crop more, of course. Was I off base in assuming that?

I did take my A7r for a serious real life shooting session as well yesterday. We shot some models along the famous Route 66. Although fairly fast pace but not really fast. I didn't even bother to use my Canon or Zeiss lenses for manual focus as that would slow it down quite a bit. Operationally, even with the native Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 FA, the setup cannot even close of keeping up with the pace. Don't get me wrong, I got some great shots but also more than fair share, more than I would it to be, of out focus shots. The continuous AF feature of the A7r doesn't even come close to that of my 5D Mark III.



Jan 05, 2014 at 11:50 AM
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Has anybody looked inside the metabones adapter? Is there any reason that the rectangular sensor-sized portion that's theoretically the cause of the problems with the large image circle TS-E lenses couldn't be milled away, leaving something that looks more like an extension tube? Or is that volume stuffed with electronics?


Jan 05, 2014 at 11:52 AM
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p.100 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


AGeoJO wrote:
Great images, Fred. I didn't expect anything less from you . I have seen plenty of your images and actually, except for the MP difference, I believe that your images using your Canon 5D Mark III were similar, right? I am talking about the final results and not how to get there. Yes, the MP difference will enable you to print larger and to crop more, of course. Was I off base in assuming that?

I did take my A7r for a serious real life shooting session as well yesterday. We shot some models along the famous Route 66. Although
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They look similar when resized and presented on the web but the A7R full size images look much cleaner and more detailed especially when recovering shadows as expected. I noticed that it needs less sharpening because of the absence of the LP filter.
I'm used to editing 5D III RAWs and know how much it can be pushed before the shadows start to fall apart. Most of the 'artifacts' posted on the web are color profile conversion issues and in some cases over sharpening. There are situations where I see artifacts but I get the impression they won't show up in landscape images. We'll see.
I will post a A7R review soon.



Jan 05, 2014 at 12:14 PM
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p.100 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Hey dudes, as A7R exifs doesn't report same lens as a Canon bodie (actually my 1DsII, I know different bodies can report different lenses), it fuck LightRoom metadatas search by lens.

So, I'm writing a small python tool to change lenses name in A7R xmps files (not touching the raw !) so I will just have to run it, and back in LR, do a metadata read from file, and all my lenses will be the same.

Question is, would it be interesting for you ? I can do it more user friendly ... Will be entirely portable for windows 64bits, but I can give the .py file if needed for other platforms (no secret algorythm there).



Jan 07, 2014 at 01:07 PM
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Hey there,

because of the findings and posting from Marc Aurel and Fred i also did some research on the flare issue that i want to share with you.
I own both the 24mm and 17mm PC-E lenses, the Sony A7R and the Metabones Mark III adapter.

First thing i did was to coat the inner surface of my adapter with Tetenal Camera varnish, black and deep mat.
This doesn't help at all to get rid of the flares. Save your bucks and don't even try it.

Next try was that i bought self adhesive Black Flock Paper.
http://www.edmundoptics.com/lab-production/general-tools/light-absorbing-black-out-material/1502?#products
F***ing expensive but the quality seems to be good. I didn't want to take the risk to get much sensor dirt from cheap paper that loses it's fibers.
In the first step i laminated only the front facing part of the adapter with the black flock paper but not the inside like here:

http://achim-sieger.de/downloads/fredmiranda/Metabones.jpg

Here's the proof that this doesn't help at all. There is still an enormous amount of flare coming from bright light sources.

Sony A7R + Metabones Mark III + Canon 24mm TS-E II

http://achim-sieger.de/downloads/fredmiranda/Sony_24mmTSE.jpg

As a reference how it should look like here's an image that i've taken with my Nikon D800E and the Nikkor PC-E 24mm

http://achim-sieger.de/downloads/fredmiranda/Nikon_24mmPCE.jpg

As the last step i laminated the whole inner surface of my Metabones adapter with the black flock paper as you can see in this image:

http://achim-sieger.de/downloads/fredmiranda/Metabones_laminated.jpg

And here you can see that only fully coverage with black flock paper helps to get rid of the flares:

Sony A7R + Metabones Mark III fully flocked + Canon 24mm TS-E II

http://achim-sieger.de/downloads/fredmiranda/Sony_24mmTSE_flocked.jpg

Many many thanks to Marc Aurel who shared his experience and all others who contributed.
That was really a great help to solve the issues!

By the way:
The fully laminated adapter still allows to shift full way 12mm. At least with the black flock paper that i used.
There is a very very slight amount of vignetting but still much less than you always have on the side of the image circle of the lens at full shift. But for sure there is no black cut off in the frame.

Cheers
Achim





Jan 07, 2014 at 06:05 PM
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Thanks Achim! I just got that paper delivered today, so will do my own surgery based on your photos.



Jan 07, 2014 at 06:11 PM
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Achim Sieger wrote:
Hey there,

because of the findings and posting from Marc Aurel and Fred i also did some research on the flare issue that i want to share with you.
I own both the 24mm and 17mm PC-E lenses, the Sony A7R and the Metabones Mark III adapter.

First thing i did was to coat the inner surface of my adapter with Tetenal Camera varnish, black and deep mat.
This doesn't help at all to get rid of the flares. Save your bucks and don't even try it.

Next try was that i bought self adhesive Black Flock Paper.
http://www.edmundoptics.com/lab-production/general-tools/light-absorbing-black-out-material/1502?#products
F***ing expensive but the quality seems to
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Yes, you must add the black flock paper to both sides, top, bottom and the front. The Edmund paper is the one I used and there is zero vignetting because the paper is very thin. If fixed all my issues as well.
Fred



Jan 07, 2014 at 10:31 PM
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