p.51 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
mttran wrote:
Can we predict the shallow DOF and sharpness of the subject using EVF (not LCD) for most fast lenses. Is there any Focal Plan Micro Adjustment option build in with A7(r) ? Thanks in advance.
Yes, EVF is very good. So far, I find it easier to focus manually with 35/1.4L on A7r than on 5D. As far as I know, there is no focal plane adjustment in A7r.
p.51 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tororo wrote:
Yes, EVF is very good. So far, I find it easier to focus manually with 35/1.4L on A7r than on 5D. As far as I know, there is no focal plane adjustment in A7r.
Sound like a workable camera. An alternative tool for people like me who waits for Canon to catch-up in IQ. Thanks again.
p.51 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tororo wrote:
I got my A7R in Tokyo today (paid about $1950 USD).
I checked the compatibility with the following Canon lenses via Metabones Smart Adapter Mark III.
All of them worked flawlessly (except for sluggish AF, of course). Vignetting amount of 16-35/2.8L II on A7R is the same as that on my 5D Mark II.
EF 15/2.8 Fisheye
EF 16-35/2.8L II
EF 28/1.8
EF 35/1.4L
TS-E 45/2.8
Carl Zeiss Makro Planar 50/2 (EF mount)
EF 85/1.8
EF 100/2L IS Macro
EF 135/2L
Battery drains super fast. You need more than a few batteries for a day shoot.
Quick questions, if you have the chance to answer:
I'm going to be in Tokyo next week, will they have available A7 and A7r stock? Can I change the menu to English (or are the Japanese versions locked)? They're available in Singapore now, but I'd have to pay my dealer a good $300 more then what you've just paid, so....
Also 55 1.4 available yet?
Where to get M-adapters in Japan?
p.51 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Why is that innovative, they just slapped an existing sensor into a basically existing body and lens mount. Minor refinements to the NEX-7
I don’t think creating a new class of camera counts as a “minor refinement.” And if you think the A7r body is the NEX 7 body then you must never have actually seen a NEX 7! (Besides that I would say the NEX line itself was rather innovative.) Let’s also not forget that “existing sensor” happens to be the most innovative sensor designed in the past few years.
When Canon released the 5D, that was something that shook up the industry. An affordable FF body. Their follow up was equally amazing in the 5DII,where they introduced a 21mp sensor in a $2700 body. Both of those were revolutionary and changed the industry. Since then, it’s been more evolutionary.
And that’s okay. They haven’t really broken any new ground in the past few years, but their previous cameras were so good they could afford a generation of refinements. The idea I was arguing against was that they can keep doing that without consequence while the competition keeps pushing the envelope. Saying they don’t have anything to worry about, and they can sit back and not work on innovations until they actually see market share deteriorate, that seems like poor business advice to me
p.51 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I don't recall any one saying they could stop development till their market share dropped. They clearly still have time though and they continue to release advances in other features that other photographers want. Imagine that a company that multitasks.
p.51 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
ggreene wrote:
I don't recall any one saying they could stop development till their market share dropped. They clearly still have time though and they continue to release advances in other features that other photographers want. Imagine that a company that multitasks.
Not sure why this point is so hard to grasp. Canon is still the top dog despite a 'poor' sensor program. Must be that the sensors are so good that a vast majority are happy and like canons focus on other aspects of their system.
p.51 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
I don’t think creating a new class of camera counts as a “minor refinement.” And if you think the A7r body is the NEX 7 body then you must never have actually seen a NEX 7! (Besides that I would say the NEX line itself was rather innovative.) Let’s also not forget that “existing sensor” happens to be the most innovative sensor designed in the past few years.
When Canon released the 5D, that was something that shook up the industry. An affordable FF body. Their follow up was equally amazing in the 5DII,where they introduced a 21mp sensor in a $2700 body. Both of those were revolutionary and changed the industry. Since then, it’s been more evolutionary.
And that’s okay. They haven’t really broken any new ground in the past few years, but their previous cameras were so good they could afford a generation of refinements. The idea I was arguing against was that they can keep doing that without consequence while the competition keeps pushing the envelope. Saying they don’t have anything to worry about, and they can sit back and not work on innovations until they actually see market share deteriorate, that seems like poor business advice to me ...Show more →
They basically put existing components into a camera. It wasn't a huge advance in technology and there wasn't any sort of thinking outside the box. They just put a bigger sensor into a small camera body.
The RX100 is a much bigger advance in my eyes. That required new ways to solve problems and a huge jump from what was currently available.
The FF mirrorless was inevitable. Someone was going to do it when they thought the market was ready. It wasn't due to lacking technology.
p.51 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Not sure why this point is so hard to grasp. Canon is still the top dog despite a 'poor' sensor program. Must be that the sensors are so good that a vast majority are happy and like canons focus on other aspects of their system.
Or they own so much Canon equipment that it would be costly and difficult to switch out. Much easier to sit and wait for Canon to meow.s
p.51 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote:
According to Metabones and the list with lenses they have tested, the 85/1,2 is a MF lens with the adapter. Only the mkII version have AF.
And the 35/1,4 must to have firmware (Ver.19) or later to have AF
Yes you are correct, Forgot to mention that I use version 2 of the 85L
p.51 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote:
According to Metabones and the list with lenses they have tested, the 85/1,2 is a MF lens with the adapter. Only the mkII version have AF.
And the 35/1,4 must to have firmware (Ver.19) or later to have AF
Yes you are correct, Forgot to mention that I use version 2 of the 85L
p.51 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
ggreene wrote:
I don't recall any one saying they could stop development till their market share dropped. They clearly still have time though and they continue to release advances in other features that other photographers want. Imagine that a company that multitasks.
Actually I do recall someone saying that...though perhaps a misinterpretation on my part...?
artd wrote:
Not saying they should rush something. Just that if they are smart, they should already have dedicated the resources to work on it. Because the market pressure is there...it just takes a little while to catch up.
ggreene wrote:
Or a long while as Nikon/Sony don't seem to be able to make any in roads into Canon's market share.
p.51 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Not sure why this point is so hard to grasp. Canon is still the top dog despite a 'poor' sensor program. Must be that the sensors are so good that a vast majority are happy and like canons focus on other aspects of their system.
Not sure why people are trying to argue that a company shouldn't feel pressure to innovate just because they have the most market share?
p.51 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
Not sure why people are trying to argue that a company shouldn't feel pressure to innovate just because they have the most market share?
I'm arguing that they likely have a long term plan in place and are working on numerous different areas at one time. That plan is likely based on what aspects they feel are most important to the vast majority of potential customers. It is obvious that the Olympics and high profile sport shooters are still a huge focus, regardless of how much or little that R&D cost gets paid back by those shooters. A camera is more than a sensor and a company is more that one niche product. If 95% of people are happy with a 5D3 sensor, is it really in their best interest to put huge resources to match the Sony sensor as quickly as everyone here would like? They are obviously testing high MP sensors and have other developments like DPAF. So they aren't sitting still, just not moving as fast as the FM forum people would like.
They seem to have a slow and steady approach for now. Other companies have an approach that looks more like throwing eggs at a wall and seeing which ones crack. Maybe 10 years from now we will see if one was better than the other.
p.51 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
And back to our main topic here, how the A7R will perform with Canon lens. From the review and images I've seen to date on various sites, the performance is spectacular. Some amazing photos are being displayed. Definitely be looking at picking one of these up for my landscape photography and possibly selling off my trustworthy 5D2.
p.51 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
Actually I do recall someone saying that...though perhaps a misinterpretation on my part...?
artd wrote:
Not saying they should rush something. Just that if they are smart, they should already have dedicated the resources to work on it. Because the market pressure is there...it just takes a little while to catch up.
ggreene wrote:
Or a long while as Nikon/Sony don't seem to be able to make any in roads into Canon's market share.
"A long while" is not equivalent to "stopping development". None of us are privy to that development cycle and we don't have any idea what issues they are dealing with in rolling out new sensor technology. A far bigger mistake for them to do is release a new sensor not ready for primetime. Their market share gives them the luxury of time to make sure they get it right.
I've seen far too many rushed software releases in the form of a stealthy beta.
p.51 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
ggreene wrote:
As do retrofocus/artd/mttran. Believe it or not some people on this forum actually agree with each other. Imagine that.
Funny that some are so eager to label people and make accusations. I guess when the arguments can't cut it, resort to labelling and creating division that way.
