I'm not interested in the A7R but I am seriously tempted by the A7. If it reviews well...
I wasn't listening too closely by that point in the video The A7 is very much more a general purpose body so I don't see the point personally, if you already have a 5D3 or a D600/610, but the potential of the 36mp sensor that deliver files that are almost a low ISO match for a £7k Pentax 645D, for just £1600... now that's something. I'm looking forward to more detailed reviews of the two bodies, but IMhO these two cameras are just Sony's D800E, D610 in lesser, smaller mirror-less bodies. That's not necessarily a bad thing mind, it's a big step in some direction.
p.5 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Can't wait to see the D800E vs A7R vs 645D comparisons and how well Sony's new AF works. Has Sony made improvements in the 2 years since the D800(E) was released. Will their glass really show off the benefit of no AA filter. Technically the Sony may be a little better than the Nikon, which hasn't really removed the AA filter, just put in place a second filter to reduce its effect. So there is still a filter in the optical path. Sony may not have any filter in place at all and I suspect could be a bit sharper SOOC.
The world-wide trend is toward smaller cameras. Maybe it's the aging population, or maybe just a Japanese trend that is slowing spreading around the world. (Apparently more than 50% of new DSLR style camera sales in Japan are now Compact System Cameras rather than larger cameras with optical finders).
... Which would mean that Canon is currently excluded from 50% of camera sales in Japan. Interesting times!
Edit: I did it again, I forgot the EOS M.. But it had such bad sales that even Canon complained about it. So I guess the M doesn't count.
p.5 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Bones74 wrote:
I wasn't listening too closely by that point in the video The A7 is very much more a general purpose body so I don't see the point personally, if you already have a 5D3 or a D600/610, but the potential of the 36mp sensor that deliver files that are almost a low ISO match for a £7k Pentax 645D, for just £1600... now that's something. I'm looking forward to more detailed reviews of the two bodies, but IMhO these two cameras are just Sony's D800E, D610 in lesser, smaller mirror-less bodies. That's not necessarily a bad thing mind, it's a big step in some direction....Show more →
I am the typical general purpose user, the majority of what I shoot is family orientated (I packed in shooting weddings) and mainly moving objects. I have no interest in landscapes or high MP. It looks like the A7 potentially has better AF performance than the A7R, and a little better FPS so that would suit me better. I'm in a rut photographically speaking at the moment, so it's tempting to sell up and try something new... but I'm probably just going to buy myself a new 35 f1.4 lens for the old 1Ds2
p.5 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
As a guy who makes about half his income shooting architecture with Canons 17 and 24mm TSE lenses, this body would be a perfect addition. At $2300 it seems very reasonable when compared to Canons full frame bodies that are presently available, and since I'm doing HDR and on a tripod anyway I don't care about high dynamic range or high asa capability and the additional resolution would be a real plus for trade show displays. If Canon doesn't come out with something better I will be buying one.
p.5 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
gene A. wrote:
As a guy who makes about half his income shooting architecture with Canons 17 and 24mm TSE lenses, this body would be a perfect addition. At $2300 it seems very reasonable when compared to Canons full frame bodies that are presently available, and since I'm doing HDR and on a tripod anyway I don't care about high dynamic range or high asa capability and the additional resolution would be a real plus for trade show displays. If Canon doesn't come out with something better I will be buying one.
If the A7R sings with my 24 TS-E II, 24-70 II, 70-200 II I may well be using Sony for landscape and Canon for sports/wildlife. However, my paralysis by analysis approach will ensure that the day after I buy the Sony, Canon will release a 44MP 5D IV, with 15 stops DR, no shadow banding and 10fps
p.5 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
If the A7R sings with my 24 TS-E II, 24-70 II, 70-200 II I may well be using Sony for landscape and Canon for sports/wildlife. However, my paralysis by analysis approach will ensure that the day after I buy the Sony, Canon will release a 44MP 5D IV, with 15 stops DR, no shadow banding and 10fps
Then I'm anxiously waiting for you to hurry up and order one .
Hell, I'm anxious to see what you have to say about it when adapting three of Canon's best lenses; I assume that a Metabones glassed adapter is in order?
p.5 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
johnctharp wrote:
Hell, I'm anxious to see what you have to say about it when adapting three of Canon's best lenses; I assume that a Metabones glassed adapter is in order?
Well if it allows full AF and IQ isn't affected, hell yeah. Lot of water to pass under the bridge first. One thing I hadn't realized that is a downer is the A7R gets the lesser AF, basically same as NEX 7 which isn't that good. It's the A7 that gets the hybrid AF. Won't matter much for landscape, architecture and macro, but it'd nice to use the Sony for wildlife now and then.
p.5 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well if it allows full AF and IQ isn't affected, hell yeah. Lot of water to pass under the bridge first. One thing I hadn't realized that is a downer is the A7R gets the lesser AF, basically same as NEX 7 which isn't that good. It's the A7 that gets the hybrid AF. Won't matter much for landscape, architecture and macro, but it'd nice to use the Sony for wildlife now and then.
One review said the A7r when tested was about 40% faster than the NEX 7 at AF. Yes, the A7 will be even better but even the A7r is supposedly better than the NEX.
p.5 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well if it allows full AF and IQ isn't affected, hell yeah. Lot of water to pass under the bridge first. One thing I hadn't realized that is a downer is the A7R gets the lesser AF, basically same as NEX 7 which isn't that good. It's the A7 that gets the hybrid AF. Won't matter much for landscape, architecture and macro, but it'd nice to use the Sony for wildlife now and then.
I'll wait for your review- but I expect even the best Metabones adapter to have the same drawbacks that using a teleconverter would- namely, slower AF, reduced sharpness, and reduced aberration control.
And with the A7r's CDAF, I don't expect that to improve; even if the SLT adapter would work, it would put more glass between your lenses and Sony's sensor.
p.5 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
arbitrage wrote:
One review said the A7r when tested was about 40% faster than the NEX 7 at AF. Yes, the A7 will be even better but even the A7r is supposedly better than the NEX.
Well that's good news. Need to actually read the text slowly as I also quickly misread the 40% improvement was for the A7. Too bad A7 didn't lose AA filter as well. I wonder if they need the AA filter for the phase detect to work?
p.5 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
arbitrage wrote:
One review said the A7r when tested was about 40% faster than the NEX 7 at AF. Yes, the A7 will be even better but even the A7r is supposedly better than the NEX.
I've seen that too- but it's really a meaningless metric, unfortunately. If the subject is static, 40% faster isn't that big of a deal, and if the subject's not- well, the AF needs to be more than 'faster' to be serviceable.
p.5 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
johnctharp wrote:
I've seen that too- but it's really a meaningless metric, unfortunately. If the subject is static, 40% faster isn't that big of a deal, and if the subject's not- well, the AF needs to be more than 'faster' to be serviceable.
Hopefully 40% faster in low light to acquire and lock focus at least, and improved for servo AF.
p.5 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well that's good news. Need to actually read the text slowly as I also quickly misread the 40% improvement was for the A7. Too bad A7 didn't lose AA filter as well. I wonder if they need the AA filter for the phase detect to work?
I actually wish the A7R had the AA filter too. 36MP isn't high enough density on FF to get rid of aliasing/color moire, not at all. Maybe 80MP you start thinking about getting rid of it.
p.5 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
johnctharp wrote:
I'll wait for your review- but I expect even the best Metabones adapter to have the same drawbacks that using a teleconverter would- namely, slower AF, reduced sharpness, and reduced aberration control.
And with the A7r's CDAF, I don't expect that to improve; even if the SLT adapter would work, it would put more glass between your lenses and Sony's sensor.
Color me guarded, but hopeful .
so long as the mount is flush why would the metabones adapter hurt IQ at all? (granted so long as it is flush may be a big "so long as") It doesn't have glass in it like a TC.
p.5 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
so long as the mount is flush why would the metabones adapter hurt IQ at all? (granted so long as it is flush may be a big "so long as") It doesn't have glass in it like a TC.
Based on Roger Ricala's analysis of the performance of adapters.
p.5 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
so long as the mount is flush why would the metabones adapter hurt IQ at all? (granted so long as it is flush may be a big "so long as") It doesn't have glass in it like a TC.
He is talking about the speedbooster from metabones I think. Only 'glassed' adapter I can think of.
Obviously you don't need glass to convert a FF or MF lens to an E-mount camera.
The A7 is very much more a general purpose body so I don't see the point personally, if you already have a 5D3 or a D600/610, but the potential of the 36mp sensor that deliver files that are almost a low ISO match for a £7k Pentax 645D, for just £1600... now that's something. I'm looking forward to more detailed reviews of the two bodies, but IMhO these two cameras are just Sony's D800E, D610 in lesser, smaller mirror-less bodies. That's not necessarily a bad thing mind, it's a big step in some direction.