p.104 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Hi Fred,
The connection between current Nikon bodies and their G lenses (although they eliminated the aperture ring on those) are still mechanical unlike those of Canon bodies/lenses. You really have to establish some kind of electronic connection between the camera and lens(es) to control the aperture. I do have a Nikon G to Sony E adapter made by Metabones and yes, you can change the aperture alright via mechanical linkage by manually turning a ring on the adapter. That's the blue ring on the Novoflex adapter.
p.104 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jcolwell wrote:
I plan to wait until at least the fall of 2014 before leaping on a high MPx camera.
Tony B wrote:
+1.
You know, I believe that indeed Canon will come out with a high MP camera this year. But guaranteed it would be roughly the same size as the 5D Mark III or even bigger, possibly in the form of a 1D series with the weight to match. If you go on a photography trip and you don't have to lug all your gear around the whole day, and you can drive to your destination, then that's great. I would love to get and take that future camera, especially if you need a great AF performance, like on a birding trip I will be going this weekend. But if you travel, although you plan of doing some serious photography but there could be some weight/bulk limitation.... ah, that body and a few EF lenses could slow you down tremendously.
That's the reason I jumped on the A7r. It is not a replacement but an addition to my 5D Mark III. Not only it is a 36MP camera but it is so small and lightweight. And the flip screen... I didn't know what I missed until I started using it . Plus, I do have a few small alternative lenses that I can use with the camera. The resulting image is amazingly great and the total package is really awesome for travel. My longest lens in the travel package is my Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro with hybrid IS although I may consider getting a Canon 70-200mm f/4.0 IS or maybe a 70-300mmL IS. The 40mm pancake works great on that body, too. Yes, my A7r is coming with me on the birding trip for possibly some landscape shots .
p.104 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
+1 to that.
I was very very happy with the D800e except it was a bear to lug around. I dont mean that lightly, the weight was a major turn off. The DSLR has its place and there are certain use cases where you'd absolutely want to lug one around. There isn't a one size fits all. I'm primarily a landscape and street shooter and the A7r meets that use case very very well with extraordinary image quality and dynamic range. Is it a perfect camera ? No. Is there one ?? The A7r represents the absolute best image quality/size available today and of course the joy of using MF lenses from various vendors. My shoulders are also happy.
p.104 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Rickuz wrote:
Since the issues with adapter reflections has become so widely known (and feared by potential buyers), shouldn't a Metabones Mark IV come out soon?
IMO they should give the mark 3 owners some sort of refund/discount when they fix it.
p.104 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Rickuz wrote:
Since the issues with adapter reflections has become so widely known (and feared by potential buyers), shouldn't a Metabones Mark IV come out soon?
reprazent1 wrote:
IMO they should give the mark 3 owners some sort of refund/discount when they fix it.
Sure, in your opinion as a consumer but seriously, we can forget about that possibility. Progress is made in the product development. Should Canon give you a discount on your 5D Mark III since it was an improvement over the 5D Mark II. Or a discount on the 5D Mark II because thy increased the MP over that of the 5D classic? It simply doesn't happen that way.
p.104 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Rickuz wrote:
Since the issues with adapter reflections has become so widely known (and feared by potential buyers), shouldn't a Metabones Mark IV come out soon?
Yes, plus a7RII.
The imaging is it's saving grace. Without that, this model wouldn't keep serious photographers interested.
I hope Canon is taking notice of the lengths it's owners will go to achieve superior imaging!
p.104 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
AGeoJO wrote:
Sure, in your opinion as a consumer but seriously, we can forget about that possibility. Progress is made in the product development. Should Canon give you a discount on your 5D Mark III since it was an improvement over the 5D Mark II. Or a discount on the 5D Mark II because thy increased the MP over that of the 5D classic? It simply doesn't happen that way.
that's totally different, the metabones 3 is flawed, if they manage to fix it, would rather call it a revision 3.1
unlike a cheap noname dumb adapter from china, you would expect more from a company selling $399 adapters.
p.104 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
reprazent1 wrote:
that's totally different, the metabones 3 is flawed, if they manage to fix it, would rather call it a revision 3.1
unlike a cheap noname dumb adapter from china, you would expect more from a company selling $399 adapters.
Have you seen the adapter? The inside baffle has small ridges and painted black to minimize flares. In my experience the flares show up only using ultra wide angle TS-E lenses fully shifted and under certain conditions. I am not defending Metabones but I don't really think that it is flawed like you described it. No, it is not perfect but what is?
p.104 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Agree, a7r is now in hands of more experienced users wanting more from it and show any flaws. This particular one (internal reflections) is visible in some specifics conditions and many will never see it. And for others, there is a solution. We are using a body with non native lenses and such problems from marrying two different brands gear is not unacceptable (not to say metabones could have done it better from start). We could even have no metabones at all and no access to sony sensors with our canon lenses, or with cheap, worse adapters. Sincerely this issue isn't really one for shooting in normal conditions, and I won't go back to canon sensors for serious work until they jump high in resolution and DR. So, I'm more than happy with a7r+metabones+canon lenses at the moment, like many. The only thing missing now is L-bracket with grip, but I will see to design and build one... L-bracket on grip or a new design for metabones foot allowing grip, will study both solutions.
p.104 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
The imaging, great dynamic range, color fidelity, focus peaking, evf are why a lot of people including me jumped ship after selling the 5d3 (great af, great colors, lousy dr, shadow banding) and D800e (close to great for me overall, not so great colors), not to mention the weight. The A7r is a great platform for MF shooters, except rangefinder wides with color shift & smearing issues. I dont own any so not a deal breaker for me. BTW, I still kept the nikon 14-24 as it works great on the A7r with the novoflex.
Planning on getting the 17 TSE to use with my A7r I'll address any reflection issues with flock paper till metabones come up with a better solution.
p.104 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Metabones 3 was developed and sold way before the a7/R were even announced. Sony demoed the cameras at PhotoExpo in NYC using the adapter. Who knows if Metabones even had a camera in hand before Sony started showing off the camera with the adapter. Sony may have reported back to Metabones that it worked fine and they took it at that. It would be different if the camera and FE concept existed when the adapter was designed and it was tested by Metabones on the camera before marketed.
BTW, I haven't had any issues to this point but I don't have any TS-E's. My Zeiss 15 appears fine, but honestly this time of the year I don't get to shoot much UWA lenses. I've been shooting more of the native lenses lately.
-Tim
reprazent1 wrote:
that's totally different, the metabones 3 is flawed, if they manage to fix it, would rather call it a revision 3.1
unlike a cheap noname dumb adapter from china, you would expect more from a company selling $399 adapters.
p.104 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
It’s all a matter of perspective.
Yes, there can be internal reflections with the adapter. It’s a shortcoming, to be sure. But is a shortcoming the same as a fatal flaw? The adapter does still work, after all. We’ve been very meticulous in testing it and finding the issues, but that doesn’t mean those issues make the thing unusable. In fact, as opposed to being disappointed by the Metabones III + Ar7 I’m actually amazed it works as well as it does. Adapting lenses of one brand to fit on the mount of another is essentially hacking the system.
Ever since we’ve had products, we’ve had people hacking products for uses beyond the original design intent. And anytime you hack something, you should expect there will be issues. In the lucky cases, there are workarounds to the issues. And as far as workarounds go, lining the inside of an adapter with flocking paper seems relatively minor. Folks have gone to much larger lengths hacking cameras…for example, shaving off the inside of their mirrors so adapted lenses fit in Canon bodies. Or sending a camera off to get completely disassembled to remove the anti-aliasing filter.
Some people don’t want to spend time on workarounds. Completely valid. But, I think about the few minutes I need to spend to flock the inside of my adapter…and then I think about something like shooting 4x5 and how much time was invested in loading film holders before the shoot, processing film after the shoot…and that investment of a few minutes that I only have to do once suddenly doesn’t seem too bad anymore.
p.104 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Can we get this working on the Mac?
Great job!
Hi Fred,
I've asked to some python friends and indeed there is no way I can distribute it without having a mac and install python+pyqt to compile it on Mac.
So if anyone can do it I can provide the py source file, but that's all I can do at the moment.
I can release it in portable version for win x64 users anyway. I could also add an option to backup xmps files before modifying it if someone is interested.
p.104 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
That is a bummer. I was informed that the adapter would be similar to the Metabones. Their words were "better" than it.
Here is what they wrote me:
"Dear Fred,
We are working on a better solution, Metabones offers at the moment.
That will take us 3 to 5 more months, between March - June
Regards
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Michael Hiesinger"
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I will confirm with them regarding the aperture control. Their current Nikon to E-mount adapter allows aperture change on the adapter. I am assuming the Canon version will be very similar to this one. The price is less than $300.
See here: http://www.adorama.com/NVNEXNIK.html
That would be a good trade-off if the adapter was built with better tolerance than the current alternatives.
Fred...Show more →
I wanted to confirm if the upcoming Novoflex EF to E mount adapter would have electronic control (aperture/exif/shutter speeds,etc) and got the confirmation from Michael Hiesinger.
Here is what he wrote me:
"Dear Fred,
The status is that we are currently in our development phase.
We are planning to include electronics in our adapter.
At the moment we only have a small series of standard NEX/EOS adapters without any control, for example for some Zeiss lenses with manual aperture control.
p.104 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
This seems like the best DSLR landscape option out there right now, if Sony changes to a lossless RAW file, and Novoflex releases a better adapter. Anybody heard if Sony plans to update firmware?
. Plus, I do have a few small alternative lenses that I can use with the camera. The resulting image is amazingly great and the total package is really awesome for travel. My longest lens in the travel package is my Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro with hybrid IS although I may consider getting a Canon 70-200mm f/4.0 IS or maybe a 70-300mmL IS. The 40mm pancake works great on that body, too. Yes, my A7r is coming with me on the birding trip for possibly some landscape shots 
I'll address any reflection issues with flock paper till metabones come up with a better solution. 