Absolutely not, this was more for fun. I am selling my Nikon camera but not the Otus so it might be a while before I have a camera for it (and the 135 APO).
joakim wrote:
Absolutely not, this was more for fun. I am selling my Nikon camera but not the Otus so it might be a while before I have a camera for it (and the 135 APO).
Well, fun or not, your shots are delightful! But then, you know that I am a member of the Joakim-fan-club.
Otus 55 & 85 both underexpose 2 to 3 stops with the 1Dx MkII. Live-View exposes correctly, but none of the auto exposure modes expose correctly. No problems with any of my other bodies.
It will be interesting to see if either Canon or Zeiss respond to my questions.
Anden wrote:
Has anyone here compared the otus and the M50 APO? I would love the size of the M50 on my A7RII.
Philber. I understand why you got a new one. It is the most amazing lens.
i saw one a while ago, can't remember where. the otus has better APO correction and smoother bokeh (in addition to being 10x the size ). the 50 cron AA suffers a bit in the corners (though not a lot) on the a7 series compared to it's performance on an m camera.
if i were gonna spend that kinda money, i'd prefer the 50 lux asph and the kolari conversion for the a7rII, but that's mostly because i like the bokeh for portraits of the lux asph better than the otus and cron AA and don't really care about cross the frame performance at f/2.8 and larger.
sebboh wrote:
i saw one a while ago, can't remember where. the otus has better APO correction and smoother bokeh (in addition to being 10x the size ). the 50 cron AA suffers a bit in the corners (though not a lot) on the a7 series compared to it's performance on an m camera.
if i were gonna spend that kinda money, i'd prefer the 50 lux asph and the kolari conversion for the a7rII, but that's mostly because i like the bokeh for portraits of the lux asph better than the otus and cron AA and don't really care about cross the frame performance at f/2.8 and larger. ...Show more →
If you compare the 50APO to the Otus using a A7 series camera (modded or not). The Otus will perform slightly better. If you use the 50APO on an M240 and the Otus on DSLR. The 50APO beats across the frame by a large enough margin to be noticeable (wide open or stopped down to f/2).
The bokeh on the Otus is spectacular in most situations. But you sacrifice color and contrast (easily fixed in LR). Whereas with the 50APO although you get good (non-distracting bokeh) it's only an f/2 lens and it's bokeh isn't going to be as soft. However, the falloff of both lenses is quite pleasing, with the edge going to the APO especially close up. The 50APO makes up for the lack of very soft bokeh with amazing colors and contrast in the in focus areas. While maintaining a far less contrasty/vivid OOF area. Something I've come to appreciate from it, and no other lens.
I've been toying with the idea of picking up the Otus lenses again. But everyone I've talked to seems to have had to get theirs fixed at one point or another. And the prices are always North of $1500 in most cases $2000 (not just forum members). The other thing that's keeping me from doing so to a greater degree is the promise of a 50 Summilux-SL. I'm going to rush my dealer as soon as the lens comes out. Run tests, and if I don't like it. Sell the SL system entirely and then I'll grab myself two Otus lenses (55/85) for whatever system I decide to keep (right now I'm sitting on Canon and Nikon gear, waiting on Leica to make a move).
I am in the meantime enjoying lurking on this topic. I just wish you guys would go out and take more photos. It seems to move a bit to slow!!
adamdewilde wrote:
If you compare the 50APO to the Otus using a A7 series camera (modded or not). The Otus will perform slightly better. If you use the 50APO on an M240 and the Otus on DSLR. The 50APO beats across the frame by a large enough margin to be noticeable (wide open or stopped down to f/2).
The bokeh on the Otus is spectacular in most situations. But you sacrifice color and contrast (easily fixed in LR). Whereas with the 50APO although you get good (non-distracting bokeh) it's only an f/2 lens and it's bokeh isn't going to be as soft. However, the falloff of both lenses is quite pleasing, with the edge going to the APO especially close up. The 50APO makes up for the lack of very soft bokeh with amazing colors and contrast in the in focus areas. While maintaining a far less contrasty/vivid OOF area. Something I've come to appreciate from it, and no other lens.
I've been toying with the idea of picking up the Otus lenses again. But everyone I've talked to seems to have had to get theirs fixed at one point or another. And the prices are always North of $1500 in most cases $2000 (not just forum members). The other thing that's keeping me from doing so to a greater degree is the promise of a 50 Summilux-SL. I'm going to rush my dealer as soon as the lens comes out. Run tests, and if I don't like it. Sell the SL system entirely and then I'll grab myself two Otus lenses (55/85) for whatever system I decide to keep (right now I'm sitting on Canon and Nikon gear, waiting on Leica to make a move).
I am in the meantime enjoying lurking on this topic. I just wish you guys would go out and take more photos. It seems to move a bit to slow!!...Show more →
the comparison i'm thinking of was otus on a nikon d810 vs cron AA on the m240, so kinda apples to oranges but the otus definitely won for loCA (only thing of interest in the test to me), sharpness (the resolution difference makes this silly), and smoothness of bokeh. i don't think you can really compare color across cameras like that. i'd love to see them both compared on the m240 head to head, but it wouldn't tempt me to buy either of them.
sebboh wrote:
the comparison i'm thinking of was otus on a nikon d810 vs cron AA on the m240, so kinda apples to oranges but the otus definitely won for loCA (only thing of interest in the test to me), sharpness (the resolution difference makes this silly), and smoothness of bokeh. i don't think you can really compare color across cameras like that. i'd love to see them both compared on the m240 head to head, but it wouldn't tempt me to buy either of them.
You should give me a bit more credit.
Sharpness tests should obviously be conducted on native cameras. It's fair to do such things as each lens was designed for specific sensor parameters. And as a side note. When someone talks about Otus vs X lens.. The first thing all the Otus fans do is brag about the sharpness. So I felt it was worth noting. Though I couldn't care less.
Color and contrast should obviously be observed on the same sensor. Especially colors. I would like to add, I didn't actually mean the overall contrast of the lens. I meant the relationship between the points of high contrast and low contrast. That's what makes the 50APO so special. And it can be seen on a variety of sensors. Not to mention the colors are more vibrant against the Otus when both lenses are on cameras w/same sensors.
Yes I've noticed a bit of loCA here and there. Not normally on whites or backlit tree branches. But on matte metal (not even polished metal). Weird considering it's an APO lens
Vancouver47 wrote:
So... will you "sacrifice color and contrast" if you duct tape an Otus to a Brownie?
Normally I'd ignore... But for the sake of being civil I'll chime in on this too. My friend shoots often enough with film cameras. He's done quite a few vacation snaps with the 55 Otus and Portra 400. I think the way the lens renders colors along with the film and processing yields quite spectacular results. Much better then the colors I got from my M7 + 50APO. Perhaps his lab is better then the one I used. Perhaps the lens just works well on film whereas the 50APO doesn't. Maybe he's just a better photographer then I am.
I'm not all that interested in film anymore, so I don't think I'll even be able say.
He has a 50APO as well, but he's NEVER taken it off his M9M. Not once. I guess I can sort of get behind that. For a while I had one 50APO glued to a M-P and another 50APO glued to an M246 (though I much prefer the 50APO on a color sensor).
). the 50 cron AA suffers a bit in the corners (though not a lot) on the a7 series compared to it's performance on an m camera.
