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Archive 2013Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
p.6 #1Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
Noooooooo I'm all for it being small (with the option of a grip) but some form of EVF is a must (I detest having to hold the camera in front of my face) and tack on EVF only makes the camera larger (and more fragile).
uhoh7 wrote:
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
That wont be in the FF NEX camera, as it requires a lot of space (they're talking about 18mm travel after all). If we see this in a FF body it will be a DSLR style camera.
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
Noooooooo I'm all for it being small (with the option of a grip) but some form of EVF is a must (I detest having to hold the camera in front of my face) and tack on EVF only makes the camera larger (and more fragile).
uhoh7 wrote:
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
That wont be in the FF NEX camera, as it requires a lot of space (they're talking about 18mm travel after all). If we see this in a FF body it will be a DSLR style camera.
Sep 18, 2013 at 10:35 AM
p.6 #2Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
ken.vs.ryu wrote:
I want my pinky not to dangle. Weight is more my concern than size.
i want my pinky and ring finger to continue to dangle! small, small, small, and i don't care about weight as long as it's under 2 kilos without a lens!
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
I want my pinky not to dangle. Weight is more my concern than size.
i want my pinky and ring finger to continue to dangle! small, small, small, and i don't care about weight as long as it's under 2 kilos without a lens!
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
Sep 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM
p.6 #3Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
sebboh wrote:
i want my pinky and ring finger to continue to dangle! small, small, small, and i don't care about weight as long as it's under 2 kilos without a lens!
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
I'm trying to imagine a camera weighing nearly 2 kilos in a pocket. This isn't your pants pocket is it? If so I hope you wear them properly, not the 'sag' style. I shudder to think of the consequenses...
ken.vs.ryu wrote
I want my pinky not to dangle. Weight is more my concern than size.i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
I'm trying to imagine a camera weighing nearly 2 kilos in a pocket. This isn't your pants pocket is it? If so I hope you wear them properly, not the 'sag' style. I shudder to think of the consequenses...
Sep 18, 2013 at 11:39 AM
p.6 #4Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
telyt wrote:
i want my pinky and ring finger to continue to dangle! small, small, small, and i don't care about weight as long as it's under 2 kilos without a lens!
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
I'm trying to imagine a camera weighing nearly 2 kilos in a pocket. This isn't your pants pocket is it? If so I hope you wear them properly, not the 'sag' style. I shudder to think of the consequenses...
it's cool, i have suspenders.
in all seriousness, i can't imagine it will way more than the m9, which is plenty light enough for me (though a bit fat).
sebboh wrote
ken.vs.ryu wrote
I want my pinky not to dangle. Weight is more my concern than size.i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
it's cool, i have suspenders.
in all seriousness, i can't imagine it will way more than the m9, which is plenty light enough for me (though a bit fat).
Sep 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM
p.6 #5Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
The Leica m9 is not nearly as light or small as it could be, its closer in weight to a 6D than a NEX. The brass construction is partly to blame as is the focusing mechanisms.
When a FF nex hits the market. Hopefully, it will be a magnesium body with a huge battery, maybe 2x the current NEX capacity. IMHO, the current NEX line battery life is a bit woeful compared to the DSLRs.
When a FF nex hits the market. Hopefully, it will be a magnesium body with a huge battery, maybe 2x the current NEX capacity. IMHO, the current NEX line battery life is a bit woeful compared to the DSLRs.
Sep 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM
p.6 #6Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
naturephoto1 wrote:
Just be happy you aren't running around with 4" X 5" field and monorail cameras and even larger format film cameras and holders that many of us hiked and backpacked with for so long and not that long ago. Some still do.
Rich
I will be happy when we have 4x5 rez in Nex 5n footprint. Something entirely possible and useful to many folks.
re: viewfinder. It's not needed in the field. I used to use one on the 5n, but find my results are fine without it. Prefer the reduced form factor.
Take a lesson from the RX-1. There is always demand for very small and very good.
Just be happy you aren't running around with 4" X 5" field and monorail cameras and even larger format film cameras and holders that many of us hiked and backpacked with for so long and not that long ago. Some still do.
Rich
I will be happy when we have 4x5 rez in Nex 5n footprint. Something entirely possible and useful to many folks.
re: viewfinder. It's not needed in the field. I used to use one on the 5n, but find my results are fine without it. Prefer the reduced form factor.
Take a lesson from the RX-1. There is always demand for very small and very good.
Sep 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM
p.6 #7Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
I will be happy when we have 4x5 rez in Nex 5n footprint. Something entirely possible and useful to many folks.
re: viewfinder. It's not needed in the field. I used to use one on the 5n, but find my results are fine without it. Prefer the reduced form factor.
Take a lesson from the RX-1. There is always demand for very small and very good.
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.
I will be happy when we have 4x5 rez in Nex 5n footprint. Something entirely possible and useful to many folks.
re: viewfinder. It's not needed in the field. I used to use one on the 5n, but find my results are fine without it. Prefer the reduced form factor.
Take a lesson from the RX-1. There is always demand for very small and very good.
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.
Sep 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM
p.6 #8Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
I'd trade the vf for a tilting screen...but I'm 6'5"
I got so used to it with the 5n. It's so inconspicuous. And it's easy to steady with elbows at the waist. At my height to use a vf in a social setting is awkward.
First it's more conspicuous bringing a camera to eye. When that eye is above the rest of the heads in the Roma. Lot of the time it makes it worse. Second it allows more creative angles with less back and knee work. I'm not talking about the myspace angles. Good angles. I also find it easier to do interior work for designers with live view.
So I guess my biggest gripe on the rd twins is no tilt.
I got so used to it with the 5n. It's so inconspicuous. And it's easy to steady with elbows at the waist. At my height to use a vf in a social setting is awkward.
First it's more conspicuous bringing a camera to eye. When that eye is above the rest of the heads in the Roma. Lot of the time it makes it worse. Second it allows more creative angles with less back and knee work. I'm not talking about the myspace angles. Good angles. I also find it easier to do interior work for designers with live view.
So I guess my biggest gripe on the rd twins is no tilt.
Sep 18, 2013 at 02:27 PM
p.6 #9Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
sebboh wrote:
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.
why don't you just get the evf for the RX-1?
I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexes
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.
why don't you just get the evf for the RX-1?
I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexes
Sep 18, 2013 at 03:01 PM
p.6 #10Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Charlie,
I've got a 5N with accessory EVF and a 7. No contest - I much prefer the built in EVF of the 7 and I won't buy another camera without the built in EVF
The accessory EVF is a PIA to put on and take off and it's a PIA to leave on because it will snag on anything you put it in and pull it out of. It's also a weak point for damage if (when) it snags.
The small increase in size from having the EVF built in is well worth it and the way the EVF is located in the corner of the NEX 6/7 or new Panny GX7 is perfect (one of the reasons I don't like the Oly EM5 or EM1 is because of the ridiculous faux prism hump).
Edited on Sep 18, 2013 at 03:17 PM · View previous versions
I've got a 5N with accessory EVF and a 7. No contest - I much prefer the built in EVF of the 7 and I won't buy another camera without the built in EVF
The accessory EVF is a PIA to put on and take off and it's a PIA to leave on because it will snag on anything you put it in and pull it out of. It's also a weak point for damage if (when) it snags.
The small increase in size from having the EVF built in is well worth it and the way the EVF is located in the corner of the NEX 6/7 or new Panny GX7 is perfect (one of the reasons I don't like the Oly EM5 or EM1 is because of the ridiculous faux prism hump).
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Sep 18, 2013 at 03:17 PM
p.6 #11Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
why don't you just get the evf for the RX-1?
I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexes
because sebboh wrote:
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
sebboh wrote
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexes
because sebboh wrote:
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!
Sep 18, 2013 at 03:17 PM
p.6 #12Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
telyt wrote:
why don't you just get the evf for the RX-1?
I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexesbecause
yup, the 5N + evf is functionally bigger (though still lighter for those who care) and more awkwardly shaped than the 7.
i have an evf for my 5N and am getting one for my rx1, but i'd be a lot happier with a built in one.
h00ligan wrote:
I'd trade the vf for a tilting screen...but I'm 6'5"
I got so used to it with the 5n. It's so inconspicuous. And it's easy to steady with elbows at the waist. At my height to use a vf in a social setting is awkward.
First it's more conspicuous bringing a camera to eye. When that eye is above the rest of the heads in the Roma. Lot of the time it makes it worse. Second it allows more creative angles with less back and knee work. I'm not talking about the myspace angles. Good angles. I also find it easier...Show more →
yeah, i just assumed the FF NEX would have a tilt screen since all the other NEX cameras do. even the rx100 mkII has one.
uhoh7 wrote
sebboh wrote
manual focusing on people moving is a lot easier with an evf. my biggest complaint about my rx1 is the lack of a built in finder.I bet it's not cheap. Another reason to leave it off at least one of the FF nexes
sebboh wrote
i do want that built in viewfinder though, i can't put it in my pocket with a detachable one!yup, the 5N + evf is functionally bigger (though still lighter for those who care) and more awkwardly shaped than the 7.
i have an evf for my 5N and am getting one for my rx1, but i'd be a lot happier with a built in one.
h00ligan wrote:
I'd trade the vf for a tilting screen...but I'm 6'5"
I got so used to it with the 5n. It's so inconspicuous. And it's easy to steady with elbows at the waist. At my height to use a vf in a social setting is awkward.
First it's more conspicuous bringing a camera to eye. When that eye is above the rest of the heads in the Roma. Lot of the time it makes it worse. Second it allows more creative angles with less back and knee work. I'm not talking about the myspace angles. Good angles. I also find it easier...Show more →
yeah, i just assumed the FF NEX would have a tilt screen since all the other NEX cameras do. even the rx100 mkII has one.
Sep 18, 2013 at 03:29 PM
p.6 #13Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Isnt't he 6 the only one which has built in evf and tilty?
I hope they choose that as the combination for the ff, I'm not sure they will. Maybe both on the high end. The lower end is certainly getting no evf except mui. They've demonstrated their low end in the line camera accept adding and don't get them built in.
I hope they choose that as the combination for the ff, I'm not sure they will. Maybe both on the high end. The lower end is certainly getting no evf except mui. They've demonstrated their low end in the line camera accept adding and don't get them built in.
Sep 18, 2013 at 05:38 PM
p.6 #14Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
h00ligan wrote:
Isnt't he 6 the only one which has built in evf and tilty?
I hope they choose that as the combination for the ff, I'm not sure they will. Maybe both on the high end. The lower end is certainly getting no evf except mui. They've demonstrated their low end in the line camera accept adding and don't get them built in.
NEX-7 and NEX-6 have built-in EVF and tilt LCD.
Isnt't he 6 the only one which has built in evf and tilty?
I hope they choose that as the combination for the ff, I'm not sure they will. Maybe both on the high end. The lower end is certainly getting no evf except mui. They've demonstrated their low end in the line camera accept adding and don't get them built in.
NEX-7 and NEX-6 have built-in EVF and tilt LCD.
Sep 18, 2013 at 06:20 PM
p.6 #15Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Frankly I can't believe how tough the 5n evf is. You should see mine, beat up bad, the eye sensor no longer works--so you switch manually. But it still works sharp as ever.
When I was using it I thought it was just a must. But last 6 weeks I have had it off, and never missed it. Focus peaking really works, and you can tap the screen if you to. I shoot bursts and refocus if I can.
A weather proof FF nex in the absolute tiniest form factor possible, filter tuned to the smallest sharpest lenses, that would be a fantastically useful device.
You guys can have your m240 look alike. Certainly such a model should be available.
When I was using it I thought it was just a must. But last 6 weeks I have had it off, and never missed it. Focus peaking really works, and you can tap the screen if you to. I shoot bursts and refocus if I can.
A weather proof FF nex in the absolute tiniest form factor possible, filter tuned to the smallest sharpest lenses, that would be a fantastically useful device.
You guys can have your m240 look alike. Certainly such a model should be available.
Sep 18, 2013 at 07:06 PM
p.6 #16Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
Frankly I can't believe how tough the 5n evf is. You should see mine, beat up bad, the eye sensor no longer works--so you switch manually. But it still works sharp as ever.
When I was using it I thought it was just a must. But last 6 weeks I have had it off, and never missed it. Focus peaking really works, and you can tap the screen if you to. I shoot bursts and refocus if I can.
A weather proof FF nex in the absolute tiniest form factor possible, filter tuned to the smallest sharpest lenses, that would be...Show more →
I could see them doing the rx10 fixed zoom as a waterproof version.
Frankly I can't believe how tough the 5n evf is. You should see mine, beat up bad, the eye sensor no longer works--so you switch manually. But it still works sharp as ever.
When I was using it I thought it was just a must. But last 6 weeks I have had it off, and never missed it. Focus peaking really works, and you can tap the screen if you to. I shoot bursts and refocus if I can.
A weather proof FF nex in the absolute tiniest form factor possible, filter tuned to the smallest sharpest lenses, that would be...Show more →
I could see them doing the rx10 fixed zoom as a waterproof version.
Sep 18, 2013 at 07:45 PM
p.6 #17Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
A weather proof FF nex in the absolute tiniest form factor possible, filter tuned to the smallest sharpest lenses, that would be a fantastically useful device.
You guys can have your m240 look alike. Certainly such a model should be available.
I could see them doing the rx10 fixed zoom as a waterproof version.
Yup. I love this idea. 28mm or 35mm equiv. with fixed 16gb flash and non removable battery. Only one port needed - micro USB for charging and download.
Sep 18, 2013 at 08:32 PM
p.6 #18Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
SAR - New Zeiss 24-70mm FE (Full Frame E-mount) lens coming too with the NEX-FF in October:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-new-zeiss-24-70mm-fe-full-frame-e-mount-lens-coming-too-with-the-nex-ff-in-october/
These are the SR5 ranked NEX-FF lens info: Zeiss 35mm f/2.8, Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 and Zeiss 24-70mm.
Hopefully 24-70 will be better then the 16-70mm. I guess they might keep the aperture f/4 to keep the lens on the small side.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-new-zeiss-24-70mm-fe-full-frame-e-mount-lens-coming-too-with-the-nex-ff-in-october/
These are the SR5 ranked NEX-FF lens info: Zeiss 35mm f/2.8, Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 and Zeiss 24-70mm.
Hopefully 24-70 will be better then the 16-70mm. I guess they might keep the aperture f/4 to keep the lens on the small side.
Sep 19, 2013 at 06:41 AM
p.6 #19Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Counterintuitive
F4 zoom on a small body. It's in the middle.
It's not fast, it's going to be heavy relative to the body and 2-3 primes will probably work for the same weight.
I understand the limitations of the size aspect, but if they can't do better than solid f4, I question why bother. The primes are smaller, faster, and likely better iq..with what wil probably be similar pricing
I've been known to be wrong a lot
F4 zoom on a small body. It's in the middle.
It's not fast, it's going to be heavy relative to the body and 2-3 primes will probably work for the same weight.
I understand the limitations of the size aspect, but if they can't do better than solid f4, I question why bother. The primes are smaller, faster, and likely better iq..with what wil probably be similar pricing
I've been known to be wrong a lot
Sep 19, 2013 at 04:16 PM
p.6 #20Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
h00ligan wrote:
Counterintuitive
F4 zoom on a small body. It's in the middle.
It's not fast, it's going to be heavy relative to the body and 2-3 primes will probably work for the same weight.
I understand the limitations of the size aspect, but if they can't do better than solid f4, I question why bother. The primes are smaller, faster, and likely better iq..with what wil probably be similar pricing
I've been known to be wrong a lot
I think that a 24-70/4 the size of the canon one, albeit a bit smaller due to no IS, would be just fine and dandy as a kit-zoom for a 15-20 % larger than nex-7 body. I don't own any zooms, but I think I would get that if not for anything else as a "when my gf wants to borrow my camera and cba to fiddle with manual focus"-lens.
Counterintuitive
F4 zoom on a small body. It's in the middle.
It's not fast, it's going to be heavy relative to the body and 2-3 primes will probably work for the same weight.
I understand the limitations of the size aspect, but if they can't do better than solid f4, I question why bother. The primes are smaller, faster, and likely better iq..with what wil probably be similar pricing
I've been known to be wrong a lot
I think that a 24-70/4 the size of the canon one, albeit a bit smaller due to no IS, would be just fine and dandy as a kit-zoom for a 15-20 % larger than nex-7 body. I don't own any zooms, but I think I would get that if not for anything else as a "when my gf wants to borrow my camera and cba to fiddle with manual focus"-lens.
Sep 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM