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p.5 #1Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Arejukas wrote:
If it has the same size sensor, and the same number of pixels and processing power, then it seems it should cost more if you add the cost of miniturization.
What is there that needs to be miniaturized? Certainly not the sensor, that will be full sized. Likewise the LCD screen, battery, EVF etc. can all be the same size as a NEX7.
So all in all you have to fit a larger shutter, sensor (and possibly heatsink) into the body (which according to SAR is 20% bigger). Doesn't sound like a herculean feat of miniaturization to me. In fact it sounds an awful lot like taking the a99 and throwing away the SLT mirror, AF lenses and AF sensor. Something which ought to make manufacturing cheaper...
If it has the same size sensor, and the same number of pixels and processing power, then it seems it should cost more if you add the cost of miniturization.
What is there that needs to be miniaturized? Certainly not the sensor, that will be full sized. Likewise the LCD screen, battery, EVF etc. can all be the same size as a NEX7.
So all in all you have to fit a larger shutter, sensor (and possibly heatsink) into the body (which according to SAR is 20% bigger). Doesn't sound like a herculean feat of miniaturization to me. In fact it sounds an awful lot like taking the a99 and throwing away the SLT mirror, AF lenses and AF sensor. Something which ought to make manufacturing cheaper...
Sep 17, 2013 at 09:26 AM
p.5 #2Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Matt Grum wrote:
What is there that needs to be miniaturized? Certainly not the sensor, that will be full sized. Likewise the LCD screen, battery, EVF etc. can all be the same size as a NEX7.
That makes sense if the NEX system is the base for this, and a bigger NEX is the goal, but I thought I saw rumors that the RX1 form factor may be an option?
What is there that needs to be miniaturized? Certainly not the sensor, that will be full sized. Likewise the LCD screen, battery, EVF etc. can all be the same size as a NEX7.
That makes sense if the NEX system is the base for this, and a bigger NEX is the goal, but I thought I saw rumors that the RX1 form factor may be an option?
Sep 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM
p.5 #3Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
carstenw wrote:
If the NEX-9 is 20% larger than the NEX-7, that is another big bonus. This might actually be a nice camera to hold then. The NEX-7 was almost nice, but the body was too thin and light, and the grip too square.
I am not talking about any specific lenses, but lenses covering FF will generally be larger than lenses covering APS-C, and the NEX lenses are already bulky, so if this continues to hold, that is a serious downside.
I'm not sure I'd see it as a "serious" downside. If the body is a little bigger, I don't personally have a problem with the lenses being a little bigger. (It sure would be nice if they came out with some decent pancakes lenses though.)
But on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the primary optics I'd use on this camera, I probably already own.
If the NEX-9 is 20% larger than the NEX-7, that is another big bonus. This might actually be a nice camera to hold then. The NEX-7 was almost nice, but the body was too thin and light, and the grip too square.
I am not talking about any specific lenses, but lenses covering FF will generally be larger than lenses covering APS-C, and the NEX lenses are already bulky, so if this continues to hold, that is a serious downside.
I'm not sure I'd see it as a "serious" downside. If the body is a little bigger, I don't personally have a problem with the lenses being a little bigger. (It sure would be nice if they came out with some decent pancakes lenses though.)
But on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the primary optics I'd use on this camera, I probably already own.
Sep 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM
p.5 #4Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
artd wrote:
I am not talking about any specific lenses, but lenses covering FF will generally be larger than lenses covering APS-C, and the NEX lenses are already bulky, so if this continues to hold, that is a serious downside.I'm not sure I'd see it as a "serious" downside. If the body is a little bigger, I don't personally have a problem with the lenses being a little bigger. (It sure would be nice if they came out with some decent pancakes lenses though.)
But on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the...Show more →
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carstenw wrote
If the NEX-9 is 20% larger than the NEX-7, that is another big bonus. This might actually be a nice camera to hold then. The NEX-7 was almost nice, but the body was too thin and light, and the grip too square.I am not talking about any specific lenses, but lenses covering FF will generally be larger than lenses covering APS-C, and the NEX lenses are already bulky, so if this continues to hold, that is a serious downside.
But on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the...Show more →
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Sep 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM
p.5 #5Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
20% larger? Why? Tell me why!
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
Sep 17, 2013 at 02:12 PM
p.5 #6Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
20% larger? Why? Tell me why!
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
we'll see where the extra 20% is, it should still be much smaller than the m240.
i like the NEX-7 size better than the 5N with evf attached.
20% larger? Why? Tell me why!
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
we'll see where the extra 20% is, it should still be much smaller than the m240.
i like the NEX-7 size better than the 5N with evf attached.
Sep 17, 2013 at 02:21 PM
p.5 #7Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
artd wrote:
... on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the primary optics I'd use on this camera, I probably already own.
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... on the whole, I'm much more interested in the possibility of a NEX FF acting as a platform I can adapt my DSLR and rangefinder lenses to. Any native mount lenses in my view are just going to be add-ons for convenience sake if I want to just have something quick and easy. But the primary optics I'd use on this camera, I probably already own.
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Sep 17, 2013 at 02:21 PM
p.5 #8Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
20% larger? Why? Tell me why!
Full frame sensor! Interchangable lenses!
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
And that still makes it likely a lot more compact than most DSLRs, no?
I think some perspective is in order here. A 5n, well, that's about as small as you can probably get without going to a smaller sensor or a fixed lens. If you can't "put up with" anything bigger than that, you might be expecting too much at this present moment, given the current state of technology and the limits imposed by physics
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!
20% larger? Why? Tell me why!
Full frame sensor! Interchangable lenses!
That is depressing. Those fond of big grips can always duct tape some foam on the bugger. The reverse is not the case.
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.
The nex 7 is already way too big. 5n I can put up with.
20% bigger would make it the size of an M240, no?
And that still makes it likely a lot more compact than most DSLRs, no?
I think some perspective is in order here. A 5n, well, that's about as small as you can probably get without going to a smaller sensor or a fixed lens. If you can't "put up with" anything bigger than that, you might be expecting too much at this present moment, given the current state of technology and the limits imposed by physics
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!
Sep 17, 2013 at 03:47 PM
p.5 #9Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
artd wrote:
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.
no, you can't. that's the problem – the leica ME is the smallest FF camera currently.
artd wrote:
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!
there were plenty of 35mm film cameras that were much smaller than a NEX-7, so i don't agree with your argument. that said, i think 20% bigger than a NEX-7 will be perfectly livable (unless they put the 20% somewhere ridiculous) and a big improvement in the current state of affairs.
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.
no, you can't. that's the problem – the leica ME is the smallest FF camera currently.
artd wrote:
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!
there were plenty of 35mm film cameras that were much smaller than a NEX-7, so i don't agree with your argument. that said, i think 20% bigger than a NEX-7 will be perfectly livable (unless they put the 20% somewhere ridiculous) and a big improvement in the current state of affairs.
Sep 17, 2013 at 04:00 PM
p.5 #10Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
Film SLRs didn't need to be filled to the brim with electronics, like NEXs are when you pop them open, so I'd imagine the larger sensor, heat sinks, etc., require a bit more room in the FF NEX.
Sep 17, 2013 at 05:22 PM
p.5 #11Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
sebboh wrote:
no, you can't. that's the problem – the leica ME is the smallest FF camera currently.
Yes, but notice I said smaller camera, not smaller FF camera. There are always options, and if size is a hang up, there are many very good smaller cameras available.
there were plenty of 35mm film cameras that were much smaller than a NEX-7, so i don't agree with your argument. that said, i think 20% bigger than a NEX-7 will be perfectly livable (unless they put the 20% somewhere ridiculous) and a big improvement in the current state of affairs.
None of them that I'm aware of were smaller than a NEX 5n, which was actually my argument...the poster was saying that he couldn't put up with a camera bigger than the 5n, and I was saying that exepecting a FF camera at that size is probably not realistic.
But regarding the NEX 7, when you say "plenty" 35mm cameras that were "much smaller" than a NEX-7....I'm not quite sure I agree with that either. There may have been some that were slightly smaller. But I think saying "much smaller" is a stretch. As far as I'm aware the smallest 35mm camera ever produced was the Minox 35, which measured 3.9 x 2.4 x 1.2 inches. Compare that to a NEX 7 which is 4.7 x 2.6 x 1.7 inches. It may be semantics but I wouldn't call that "much" smaller. Especially taking into consideration the NEX has an interchangable lens mount.
artd wrote
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.Yes, but notice I said smaller camera, not smaller FF camera. There are always options, and if size is a hang up, there are many very good smaller cameras available.
artd wrote
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!None of them that I'm aware of were smaller than a NEX 5n, which was actually my argument...the poster was saying that he couldn't put up with a camera bigger than the 5n, and I was saying that exepecting a FF camera at that size is probably not realistic.
But regarding the NEX 7, when you say "plenty" 35mm cameras that were "much smaller" than a NEX-7....I'm not quite sure I agree with that either. There may have been some that were slightly smaller. But I think saying "much smaller" is a stretch. As far as I'm aware the smallest 35mm camera ever produced was the Minox 35, which measured 3.9 x 2.4 x 1.2 inches. Compare that to a NEX 7 which is 4.7 x 2.6 x 1.7 inches. It may be semantics but I wouldn't call that "much" smaller. Especially taking into consideration the NEX has an interchangable lens mount.
Sep 17, 2013 at 05:30 PM
p.5 #12Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
artd wrote:
no, you can't. that's the problem – the leica ME is the smallest FF camera currently.Yes, but notice I said smaller camera, not smaller FF camera. There are always options, and if size is a hang up, there are many very good smaller cameras available.
yeah, i caught that. how is that argument different from me telling you that you don't need a FF mirrorless at all since there are already FF dslrs? if rangefinder lenses or other adapted lenses are a hang up, there are many very good mirrorless cameras currently available.
artd wrote:
there were plenty of 35mm film cameras that were much smaller than a NEX-7, so i don't agree with your argument. that said, i think 20% bigger than a NEX-7 will be perfectly livable (unless they put the 20% somewhere ridiculous) and a big improvement in the current state of affairs.None of them that I'm aware of were smaller than a NEX 5n, which was actually my argument...the poster was saying that he couldn't put up with a camera bigger than the 5n, and I was saying that exepecting a FF camera at that size is probably not realistic.
But regarding the NEX 7, when you say "plenty" 35mm cameras that were "much smaller" than a NEX-7....I'm not quite sure I agree with that either. There may have been some that were slightly smaller. But I think saying "much smaller" is a stretch. As far as I'm aware the smallest...Show more →
it's a matter of perspective i suppose. the minox is certainly a fair bit more than 20% smaller than the NEX-7. the leica III is smaller than a NEX-7 in the dimensions that matter most to me by the way. it's true they probably won't be able to fit a FF sensor in a 5N body and i'm ok with that. for me the dimensions where the 5N is smaller than the 7 aren't terribly useful, and the evf is much more valuable than that loss of size. others may have perfectly valid reasons to feel differently though.
sebboh wrote
artd wrote
On the other hand, those fond of smaller cameras can also buy a smaller camera.yeah, i caught that. how is that argument different from me telling you that you don't need a FF mirrorless at all since there are already FF dslrs? if rangefinder lenses or other adapted lenses are a hang up, there are many very good mirrorless cameras currently available.
artd wrote:
sebboh wrote
artd wrote
Products are designed to meet different functional roles. A FF NEX camera is not meant to fill the miniature slip-into-your pocket camera role, because frankly a FF sensor doesn't lend itself to that role. And it doesn't need to. It has the potential to be a great photographic tool which offers a lot of versatility. Of course, until we actually see the camera it's all speculation....but a FF mirrorless interchangable lens camera that's only 20% bigger than a NEX7 sounds like a winner in my book!But regarding the NEX 7, when you say "plenty" 35mm cameras that were "much smaller" than a NEX-7....I'm not quite sure I agree with that either. There may have been some that were slightly smaller. But I think saying "much smaller" is a stretch. As far as I'm aware the smallest...Show more →
it's a matter of perspective i suppose. the minox is certainly a fair bit more than 20% smaller than the NEX-7. the leica III is smaller than a NEX-7 in the dimensions that matter most to me by the way. it's true they probably won't be able to fit a FF sensor in a 5N body and i'm ok with that. for me the dimensions where the 5N is smaller than the 7 aren't terribly useful, and the evf is much more valuable than that loss of size. others may have perfectly valid reasons to feel differently though.
Sep 17, 2013 at 05:55 PM
p.5 #13Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
sebboh wrote:
yeah, i caught that. how is that argument different from me telling you that you don't need a FF mirrorless at all since there are already FF dslrs? if rangefinder lenses or other adapted lenses are a hang up, there are many very good mirrorless cameras currently available.
Well in reality I don't "need" a FF mirrorless. But I do want one. The difference I suppose is in that a FF mirrorless camera with a Sony sensor is desired by me specifically because of that very design feature: it is FF mirrorless. I do understand the fact that there are times when a smaller camera would be desirable...and in fact that is the reason why I also own a 5n
Let's turn it around in another direction now. Why do we buy lots of neat prime lenses when the entire zoom range could be covered by a single superzoom? Because we realize there are tradeoffs required. No one piece of gear, lens or camera, is ever going to suit all needs and all situations. But in the case of size, I think that trade-off has already been done. For those who's priority is size, there are lots of good options. For those who want a FF mirrorless, there are none (yet).
it's a matter of perspective i suppose. the minox is certainly a fair bit more than 20% smaller than the NEX-7. the leica III is smaller than a NEX-7 in the dimensions that matter most to me by the way. it's true they probably won't be able to fit a FF sensor in a 5N body and i'm ok with that. for me the dimensions where the 5N is smaller than the 7 aren't terribly useful, and the evf is much more valuable than that loss of size. others may have perfectly valid reasons to feel differently though.
Sure. Everyone has their own perspective. I guess from my perspective I'm looking at it and thinking that I'm not going to sweat that they didn't shave off another half-inch here or there
And, who knows, maybe when they're ready to go to the next generation of FF mirrorless they'll squeeze the design down even farther!
yeah, i caught that. how is that argument different from me telling you that you don't need a FF mirrorless at all since there are already FF dslrs? if rangefinder lenses or other adapted lenses are a hang up, there are many very good mirrorless cameras currently available.
Well in reality I don't "need" a FF mirrorless. But I do want one.
The difference I suppose is in that a FF mirrorless camera with a Sony sensor is desired by me specifically because of that very design feature: it is FF mirrorless. I do understand the fact that there are times when a smaller camera would be desirable...and in fact that is the reason why I also own a 5n Let's turn it around in another direction now. Why do we buy lots of neat prime lenses when the entire zoom range could be covered by a single superzoom? Because we realize there are tradeoffs required. No one piece of gear, lens or camera, is ever going to suit all needs and all situations. But in the case of size, I think that trade-off has already been done. For those who's priority is size, there are lots of good options. For those who want a FF mirrorless, there are none (yet).
it's a matter of perspective i suppose. the minox is certainly a fair bit more than 20% smaller than the NEX-7. the leica III is smaller than a NEX-7 in the dimensions that matter most to me by the way. it's true they probably won't be able to fit a FF sensor in a 5N body and i'm ok with that. for me the dimensions where the 5N is smaller than the 7 aren't terribly useful, and the evf is much more valuable than that loss of size. others may have perfectly valid reasons to feel differently though.
Sure. Everyone has their own perspective. I guess from my perspective I'm looking at it and thinking that I'm not going to sweat that they didn't shave off another half-inch here or there
And, who knows, maybe when they're ready to go to the next generation of FF mirrorless they'll squeeze the design down even farther!
Sep 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM
p.5 #14Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
People should welcome the additional small dimensional increase, gives you overall better handling, and weight is far the more significant attribute. The RX1 only works because the lens is large, even then most put some form of case/grip on them.
Leica's M9 is 14%/16% larger than NEX7 in the dimensions that matter (width/height) and Fuji's XE-1 is 8%/11% bigger, for comparison. So we are looking at a Leica size camera with a new Sony sensor and high lens versatility, plus a few good native AF lenses.
you can't compare with film cameras, they were light tight boxes, no 'guts'.
Leica's M9 is 14%/16% larger than NEX7 in the dimensions that matter (width/height) and Fuji's XE-1 is 8%/11% bigger, for comparison. So we are looking at a Leica size camera with a new Sony sensor and high lens versatility, plus a few good native AF lenses.
you can't compare with film cameras, they were light tight boxes, no 'guts'.
Sep 18, 2013 at 01:27 AM
p.5 #15Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
philip_pj wrote:
....Leica's M9 is 14%/16% larger than NEX7 in the dimensions that matter (width/height) and Fuji's XE-1 is 8%/11% bigger, for comparison. So we are looking at a Leica size camera with a new Sony sensor and high lens versatility, plus a few good native AF lenses.
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That would be fine by me. Personally I find the size and form factor of my X-E1 to be about perfect, but M9 sized is perfectly reasonable to me in terms of FF mirrorless.
....Leica's M9 is 14%/16% larger than NEX7 in the dimensions that matter (width/height) and Fuji's XE-1 is 8%/11% bigger, for comparison. So we are looking at a Leica size camera with a new Sony sensor and high lens versatility, plus a few good native AF lenses.
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That would be fine by me. Personally I find the size and form factor of my X-E1 to be about perfect, but M9 sized is perfectly reasonable to me in terms of FF mirrorless.
Sep 18, 2013 at 08:30 AM
p.5 #16Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
The size differences really just depend on the intended use of the camera. If I were to buy the Nex FF as a system camera to complement my RX1, my RX1 would remain my everyday, small camera, and I wouldn't care that much about a larger FF Nex, because I'd still be bringing a bag with a few lenses.
On the other hand, if I were planning on buying the FF Nex to replace my RX1, I would want it as small as possible for everyday use, as my RX1 is noticeably smaller and lighter than my M9+35/2 ASPH was. FWIW, I'm not planning on buying the FF Nex at all, though, so I guess it doesn't matter.
On the other hand, if I were planning on buying the FF Nex to replace my RX1, I would want it as small as possible for everyday use, as my RX1 is noticeably smaller and lighter than my M9+35/2 ASPH was. FWIW, I'm not planning on buying the FF Nex at all, though, so I guess it doesn't matter.
Sep 18, 2013 at 09:11 AM
p.5 #17Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
I want my pinky not to dangle. Weight is more my concern than size.
Sep 18, 2013 at 09:30 AM
p.5 #18Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
I think that the rumor for size and weight of the camera is about right. You want to be able to hold and balance the camera comfortably not only with smaller lenses but also larger legacy and native telephoto and zoom lenses. I am not sure as to how many native lenses that I might purchase, but I know that I will use a lot of legacy MF lenses many of which are longer (or zoom), and heavier.
The big question on many people's mind though as has been point out is how the camera and sensor will deal will MF Leica M wide angle lenses. The performance of these lenses (and if there is focal length where performance drops off) will determine how many, which, and if I purchase any of the MF Leica M lenses to use with the camera.
Of course there are and will be many other questions to be answered about the new camera(s).
Rich
The big question on many people's mind though as has been point out is how the camera and sensor will deal will MF Leica M wide angle lenses. The performance of these lenses (and if there is focal length where performance drops off) will determine how many, which, and if I purchase any of the MF Leica M lenses to use with the camera.
Of course there are and will be many other questions to be answered about the new camera(s).
Rich
Sep 18, 2013 at 09:39 AM
p.5 #19Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
All this "it should be bigger to improve handling" is bunk to me. The 5n handles perfectly fine with any lens--as far I'm concerned.
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
One look at the m240 shows it could be plenty small: tear off the RF, and use a case made to fit the guts, rather than the reverse.
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
One look at the m240 shows it could be plenty small: tear off the RF, and use a case made to fit the guts, rather than the reverse.
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
Sep 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM
p.5 #20Sony Full Frame attack: (SR5) Three E-mount FF to come within 5 months!
uhoh7 wrote:
All this "it should be bigger to improve handling" is bunk to me. The 5n handles perfectly fine with any lens--as far I'm concerned.
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
One look at the m240 shows it could be plenty small: tear off the RF, and use a case made to fit the guts, rather than the reverse.
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
Just be happy you aren't running around with 4" X 5" field and monorail cameras and even larger format film cameras and holders that many of us hiked and backpacked with for so long and not that long ago. Some still do.
Rich
All this "it should be bigger to improve handling" is bunk to me. The 5n handles perfectly fine with any lens--as far I'm concerned.
I need a field camera, the smaller the better. In Fact, they can leave the EVF off and just give us a plug a la RX-1.
One look at the m240 shows it could be plenty small: tear off the RF, and use a case made to fit the guts, rather than the reverse.
The only thing I can think off which might actually need space is the silly focus mechanism on the sensor.
Just be happy you aren't running around with 4" X 5" field and monorail cameras and even larger format film cameras and holders that many of us hiked and backpacked with for so long and not that long ago. Some still do.
Rich
Sep 18, 2013 at 10:28 AM