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p.7 #1Fujifilm SLR Thread
Tried something different (well not different subject than usual, just different way of PP).
Sep 19, 2013 at 07:24 PM
p.7 #3Fujifilm SLR Thread
This older pic said Fuji Velvia 50, but original variant looked both strange and desaturated..
So I improved it, now it looks strange and saturated!
Sorry about your eyes..
(still cant decide if its too much or just healthy saturation .. and yea I know Velvia 50 probably doesnt look like this, original one.. not new)
Edit: Replaced with different version. You can unlike this post if you dont like it.
Or tell me which one you prefer..Edited on Sep 20, 2013 at 04:40 PM · View previous versions
Sep 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM
p.7 #4Fujifilm SLR Thread
My eyes are not offended 
Viewing on iPhone atm though. Looks rather good in ballance between magenta, blue and cyan - doesn't seem to throw the greens.
Ed: I really love the blue of the vase - I personally would attempt to bring it out of shadows a little more. Probably would have made it too obvious at that though. Subtlety in photography is one of the hardest things for me.
Viewing on iPhone atm though. Looks rather good in ballance between magenta, blue and cyan - doesn't seem to throw the greens.
Ed: I really love the blue of the vase - I personally would attempt to bring it out of shadows a little more. Probably would have made it too obvious at that though. Subtlety in photography is one of the hardest things for me.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM
p.7 #7Fujifilm SLR Thread
A spot of 3D from Sapporo fish market..
Distagon 25/2.8
http://www.3byk.org/gallery2/d/6896-2/DSF4318.jpg
Distagon 25/2.8
http://www.3byk.org/gallery2/d/6896-2/DSF4318.jpg
Sep 20, 2013 at 07:21 AM
p.7 #8Fujifilm SLR Thread
Actually it is a bit of 3D. Nice.
Btw. I heard/noticed that C/Y lens are rather cheap in Japan, is that true? Also quite large stock of NOS.
I think I will slightly tone down that RVP experiment. Its really too much..
Vase, yep it has nice blue tone. What you see isnt that much of shadows (no clue how your monitor is profiled tho) but vase is from "jeans blue" to "blue black". Shadow lifting, probably could do that, but what Im using is part of pre-set profiles which go sideways when you shift anything else than color temperature.
rattymouse
Pretty interesting view on Shanghai. Nice light again. Looks quite "out-of-this world".
Nice.Btw. I heard/noticed that C/Y lens are rather cheap in Japan, is that true? Also quite large stock of NOS.
I think I will slightly tone down that RVP experiment.
Its really too much..Vase, yep it has nice blue tone. What you see isnt that much of shadows (no clue how your monitor is profiled tho) but vase is from "jeans blue" to "blue black". Shadow lifting, probably could do that, but what Im using is part of pre-set profiles which go sideways when you shift anything else than color temperature.
rattymouse
Pretty interesting view on Shanghai. Nice light again. Looks quite "out-of-this world".
Sep 20, 2013 at 09:53 AM
p.7 #9Fujifilm SLR Thread
Mescalamba: Cheers. So far I discover a lot of interesting things about S5Pro colour and tones.. As a matter of fact, in relation to our MFD/35mm conversations, I believe I would be able to produce a decent 3D-ish in quality natural light model shots without a problem...
In regard to CY - they are widely available. The prices though are a relatively stable and not all too low. I.e, a 28/2.8 MMJ would set one back 200-300USD depending on condition. The same price is valid for 45/2.8, 25/2.8 as well, while a 21/2.8 on occasion costs more than ZF/ZE equivalent.
Bonus is being able to pick up most of the lenses by walking into a shop. At the same time, convenience does come with a price tag...
Ed: I just noticed the differences in blue on the computer screen. iPhone is not all that good..
As a matter of fact, in relation to our MFD/35mm conversations, I believe I would be able to produce a decent 3D-ish in quality natural light model shots without a problem...In regard to CY - they are widely available. The prices though are a relatively stable and not all too low. I.e, a 28/2.8 MMJ would set one back 200-300USD depending on condition. The same price is valid for 45/2.8, 25/2.8 as well, while a 21/2.8 on occasion costs more than ZF/ZE equivalent.
Bonus is being able to pick up most of the lenses by walking into a shop. At the same time, convenience does come with a price tag...
Ed: I just noticed the differences in blue on the computer screen. iPhone is not all that good..
Sep 20, 2013 at 09:59 AM
p.7 #10Fujifilm SLR Thread
Im seeing bit of 3D now and then too with my combination. Sadly Im quite positive my KM-7D would produce it much more often (CCD, very good low-pass). Or I just need to find special PP for it.
From what I know 3D is tied to contrast levels being "layered" in certain amount in certain detail frequencies. It can be created by software, just its never that good as native lens. Unfortunately its tied to overall contrast too, which is something in what files from S5 Pro dont exactly excel. Thats reason why for example old Canon 5Dc is so good in this. It has low pass that allows very fine frequencies to go through (1Ds original is probably even better, just not-so-convenient camera) and it has sorta natural contrast curve (as curves are software thing, it might be simply due development software, but dunno.. whatever I used on 5Dc it always had nice bite). Something that 5D MK2 or MK3 dont have at all (it can be post-processed tho, but less software involvement in order to achieve something is pretty much always better).
Yea I noticed some of those shops in some video on youtube. Was drooling all over it. I think it was some kind of "Contax only" shop.
Yup, some old C/Ys sometimes are more expensive then new ones and in certain cases I think for good reason. 28/2 is one I would really prefer in C/Y. New one is good too, I just kinda prefer colors from old one. Well as matter of fact I simply prefer C/Y look. Reason why I have my lens anyway (not sure I didnt make mistake tho, I never know if that low contrast is due S5 Pro or lens, well will see with next camera in time).
PS: Hope someone gets my brain-train correctly, I have slightly multi-threading thinking sometimes, which unfortunately is visible in what I write.
From what I know 3D is tied to contrast levels being "layered" in certain amount in certain detail frequencies. It can be created by software, just its never that good as native lens. Unfortunately its tied to overall contrast too, which is something in what files from S5 Pro dont exactly excel. Thats reason why for example old Canon 5Dc is so good in this. It has low pass that allows very fine frequencies to go through (1Ds original is probably even better, just not-so-convenient camera) and it has sorta natural contrast curve (as curves are software thing, it might be simply due development software, but dunno.. whatever I used on 5Dc it always had nice bite). Something that 5D MK2 or MK3 dont have at all (it can be post-processed tho, but less software involvement in order to achieve something is pretty much always better).
Yea I noticed some of those shops in some video on youtube. Was drooling all over it.
I think it was some kind of "Contax only" shop. Yup, some old C/Ys sometimes are more expensive then new ones and in certain cases I think for good reason. 28/2 is one I would really prefer in C/Y. New one is good too, I just kinda prefer colors from old one. Well as matter of fact I simply prefer C/Y look.
Reason why I have my lens anyway (not sure I didnt make mistake tho, I never know if that low contrast is due S5 Pro or lens, well will see with next camera in time).PS: Hope someone gets my brain-train correctly, I have slightly multi-threading thinking sometimes, which unfortunately is visible in what I write.
Sep 20, 2013 at 04:52 PM
p.7 #12Fujifilm SLR Thread
Mescalamba: I know what you mean, pretty much same here on occasion...
For me 3D look also has the to do with sharpness falloff in relation to subject-to-background distance as well as composition. I generally do not get a 3D feeling from a simple WO shot with extremely blurred background.
Having a 3D capable gear is only half the solution. Using it correctly will make the shots 3D...
Not sure which video you saw, but it's most likely to be MapCamera. Rather nice shops (two of them few buildings apart), but now they rearranged the gear and the MF section on 2nd floor is mostly limited to Olympus, Nikon and Pentax + Fuji, Pentax and Mamiya MF (other floors are purely Canikon AF current stuff). They still have CY, just not as much as before. The other shop is purely Rollei, Leica and large format.
5DC is a great camera. It does exceedingly well with CY35-70 and Rokkor 58 which are my favourites. I recall CY35-70 caused mirror hang, but Fotodiox adaptor fixed it.
I reckon I forget about 1Ds MkIII - acquiring it wouldn't give any benefits.
Here is something I wanted to test with S5Pro - multiple colours near base values in one scene. Imho, it did a good job.
The processing is ACR, and I only brought shadows down and exposure up essentially minimising the contrast. To compensate I had to bring saturation a tiny bit up:
http://www.3byk.org/gallery2/d/6899-2/DSF4355.jpg
Note: I think I shot this one at 5.6, so ignore the erroneous tag.
For me 3D look also has the to do with sharpness falloff in relation to subject-to-background distance as well as composition. I generally do not get a 3D feeling from a simple WO shot with extremely blurred background.
Having a 3D capable gear is only half the solution. Using it correctly will make the shots 3D...
Not sure which video you saw, but it's most likely to be MapCamera. Rather nice shops (two of them few buildings apart), but now they rearranged the gear and the MF section on 2nd floor is mostly limited to Olympus, Nikon and Pentax + Fuji, Pentax and Mamiya MF (other floors are purely Canikon AF current stuff). They still have CY, just not as much as before. The other shop is purely Rollei, Leica and large format.
5DC is a great camera. It does exceedingly well with CY35-70 and Rokkor 58 which are my favourites. I recall CY35-70 caused mirror hang, but Fotodiox adaptor fixed it.
I reckon I forget about 1Ds MkIII - acquiring it wouldn't give any benefits.
Here is something I wanted to test with S5Pro - multiple colours near base values in one scene. Imho, it did a good job.
The processing is ACR, and I only brought shadows down and exposure up essentially minimising the contrast. To compensate I had to bring saturation a tiny bit up:
http://www.3byk.org/gallery2/d/6899-2/DSF4355.jpg
Note: I think I shot this one at 5.6, so ignore the erroneous tag.
Sep 20, 2013 at 10:32 PM
p.7 #13Fujifilm SLR Thread
I finally got around to downloading Lightzone for Mac and did a quick conversion test compared to ACR.
http://www.3byk.org/imgposts/finepix5s/DSF4560acrlzn.jpg
http://www.3byk.org/imgposts/finepix5s/DSF4560acrlzn.jpg
Sep 21, 2013 at 12:07 AM
p.7 #14Fujifilm SLR Thread
fantastic seeing some S5 Pro shots with a Carl Zeiss lens. Clearly the Zeiss look is picked up by the SuperCCD SR II.
Sep 21, 2013 at 01:40 AM
p.7 #15Fujifilm SLR Thread
Zeiss does compliment S5Pro. It's pretty much the case where sensor doesn't outresolve the glass.
I would love to try Leica on it, but I am little weary about poking around leitaxing at the moment.
I would love to try Leica on it, but I am little weary about poking around leitaxing at the moment.
Sep 21, 2013 at 02:04 AM
p.7 #16Fujifilm SLR Thread
Checked LightZone. Cant register there (spamblocking bullsh*t), but.. downloaded 3.9 version.
And its really interesting piece of software, how much is different v4 from that? Apart from being "free" (thats when you can register, which I cant).
And its really interesting piece of software, how much is different v4 from that? Apart from being "free" (thats when you can register, which I cant
).Sep 21, 2013 at 07:17 PM
p.7 #17Fujifilm SLR Thread
Mescalamba: That's weird. Gmail registration passes through without problem.
I am not sure why they started all that registration download nonsense.
I tried to install it on Win machine about 5 years ago and it wouldn't install - they never listed requirements but setup failed if CPU wasn't adequate (something Lightroom, ACDSee, CaptureOne, DxO etc never worried about) so I thought it was a joke.
Version 4 is rather ok. It doesn't have distortion correction, but you have interesting way to control HSL and RAW parameters - the editing can be stacked similar to layers.
I.e you add one "Relight" and modify Red data, then add another one and modify Blue...etc..
It seems to fail to embed profiles into rendered TIFF.
I think they still have at least 2-3 versions to go before they got a decent software, but atm is not all bad.
I can DL a version 4 for you if you want.
I am not sure why they started all that registration download nonsense.
I tried to install it on Win machine about 5 years ago and it wouldn't install - they never listed requirements but setup failed if CPU wasn't adequate (something Lightroom, ACDSee, CaptureOne, DxO etc never worried about) so I thought it was a joke.
Version 4 is rather ok. It doesn't have distortion correction, but you have interesting way to control HSL and RAW parameters - the editing can be stacked similar to layers.
I.e you add one "Relight" and modify Red data, then add another one and modify Blue...etc..
It seems to fail to embed profiles into rendered TIFF.
I think they still have at least 2-3 versions to go before they got a decent software, but atm is not all bad.
I can DL a version 4 for you if you want.
Sep 21, 2013 at 07:30 PM
p.7 #18Fujifilm SLR Thread
Well, in my regular browser it just blocks me from even accessing website. With TOR I can at least look at that website. But cant register..
Distortion correction is last of my concerns. Version 3.9 something is actually pretty good (it used to be quite expensive software, I can see why.. nice tool). What I really like is that it doesnt produce banding where everything else does. That layer system is interesting, opens quite creative options (not that I need it but, can be handy).
Fail to write profiles into TIFFs? Then its either new bug or some Mac related one. 3.9 writes them fine (just checked, BetaRGB is where I left it.. embed into TIFF). They might actually crippled it since these free guys taken over..
Only downside is that it uses color profile from DCraw (well it runs on it) which uses same color matrix as Adobe. Just out of curiosity, how did you pulled that pic out of ACR? My color profiles inside ACR/LR are absolutely off the grid for my KM-7D and S5Pro (but work perfectly with new cameras).
If you could download and upload somewhere that v4 I would be grateful. Very nice of you, I imagine it will take some time before I will be able to do it directly from their site. If ever.
With TOR I can at least look at that website. But cant register..Distortion correction is last of my concerns. Version 3.9 something is actually pretty good (it used to be quite expensive software, I can see why.. nice tool). What I really like is that it doesnt produce banding where everything else does.
That layer system is interesting, opens quite creative options (not that I need it but, can be handy).Fail to write profiles into TIFFs? Then its either new bug or some Mac related one. 3.9 writes them fine (just checked, BetaRGB is where I left it.. embed into TIFF
). They might actually crippled it since these free guys taken over..Only downside is that it uses color profile from DCraw (well it runs on it) which uses same color matrix as Adobe. Just out of curiosity, how did you pulled that pic out of ACR? My color profiles inside ACR/LR are absolutely off the grid for my KM-7D and S5Pro (but work perfectly with new cameras).
If you could download and upload somewhere that v4 I would be grateful. Very nice of you, I imagine it will take some time before I will be able to do it directly from their site. If ever.
Sep 21, 2013 at 08:35 PM
p.7 #19Fujifilm SLR Thread
Mac seems to be open beta atm.
I tried to save TIFF with embedded LAB generic and picture came up like a result of Van Gogh and Picasso doing an Absinthe allnighter before undertaking a landscape painting.
The AdobeRGB profile seemed to work later.
I have default profiles in ACR using Adobe Standard for all conversions. I hardly ever use Picture Styles or camera profiles. Generally, for model shots I change curve to Linear to get a flat shot and add contrast as needed in Photoshop.
One thing I noticed in the ACR/Lightzone example is that ACR produces a bit of magenta tint in reds (you can notice that in the sand). Sometimes this subtle nuance can be rather annoying if one is trying to get the colour right.
I noticed the same thing about banding. Though at the same time ACR seems to be better at pulling data out of shadows - I had a shot with fog over water and chose to expose for the sky which completely darkened the surroundings. Lightzone introduced a massive luma over the midtones to shadows transition, where ACR seemed to do the job much better.
I suppose I need to work with the Lightzone a bit more to get the proper hang of it.
Send you a PM with DL link..
I tried to save TIFF with embedded LAB generic and picture came up like a result of Van Gogh and Picasso doing an Absinthe allnighter before undertaking a landscape painting.
The AdobeRGB profile seemed to work later.
I have default profiles in ACR using Adobe Standard for all conversions. I hardly ever use Picture Styles or camera profiles. Generally, for model shots I change curve to Linear to get a flat shot and add contrast as needed in Photoshop.
One thing I noticed in the ACR/Lightzone example is that ACR produces a bit of magenta tint in reds (you can notice that in the sand). Sometimes this subtle nuance can be rather annoying if one is trying to get the colour right.
I noticed the same thing about banding. Though at the same time ACR seems to be better at pulling data out of shadows - I had a shot with fog over water and chose to expose for the sky which completely darkened the surroundings. Lightzone introduced a massive luma over the midtones to shadows transition, where ACR seemed to do the job much better.
I suppose I need to work with the Lightzone a bit more to get the proper hang of it.
Send you a PM with DL link..
Sep 21, 2013 at 09:33 PM