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p.70 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Depending on the lens, a forced FF image from an APS-C lens might look like this :
Although I bet that most APS-C lenses cover more than the strict APS-C circle.
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Although I bet that most APS-C lenses cover more than the strict APS-C circle.
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Oct 15, 2013 at 02:23 PM
p.70 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
dasrocket wrote:
Maybe it has already been discussed and I missed it, but does anyone know whether the FF NEXs will work with crop E lenses like Nikon does with their FF DSLR's?
It's not really known what changes will occur with the mount, weather sealing for example could change something, the first reviews should answer those questions.
Maybe it has already been discussed and I missed it, but does anyone know whether the FF NEXs will work with crop E lenses like Nikon does with their FF DSLR's?
It's not really known what changes will occur with the mount, weather sealing for example could change something, the first reviews should answer those questions.
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:27 PM
p.70 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
Yes, we'll end up with something like this probably :
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpg
no that won't cover aps-c (18x24).
Yes, we'll end up with something like this probably :
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpg
no that won't cover aps-c (18x24).
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:27 PM
p.70 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Yeah, needs a bigger circle I think.
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:29 PM
p.70 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, that wasn't intended to be very accurate, only a fast sketch. 
Strictly speaking the circle of Sony APS-C sensors is 28.1 mm in diameter
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Strictly speaking the circle of Sony APS-C sensors is 28.1 mm in diameter
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Oct 15, 2013 at 02:34 PM
p.70 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
serhan_ wrote:
Here is a new nokton vs lux asph comparison:
http://www.leicaplace.com/showthread.php?t=290&s=c0e24af45347e87befd9c613b15d67b9
I don't know how the new and old nokton compares...
thanks for the link. the new and old nokton are supposed to be the same formula, though there may be some glass sourcing changes.
i definitely prefer the bokeh from the lux in those images, particularly in the corners. i've also seen evidence that the lux is a superior landscape lens on FF. on aps-c i think the lux is a tougher sell versus the nokton.
Here is a new nokton vs lux asph comparison:
http://www.leicaplace.com/showthread.php?t=290&s=c0e24af45347e87befd9c613b15d67b9
I don't know how the new and old nokton compares...
thanks for the link. the new and old nokton are supposed to be the same formula, though there may be some glass sourcing changes.
i definitely prefer the bokeh from the lux in those images, particularly in the corners. i've also seen evidence that the lux is a superior landscape lens on FF. on aps-c i think the lux is a tougher sell versus the nokton.
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:34 PM
p.70 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sebboh wrote:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpgno that won't cover aps-c (18x24).
No way one would get a hard edged circle unless the sensor itself was masked off. Depending on the lens, it will be a gradual fall off - and some lenses will have a larger image circle than others even for the APS format. Maybe someone will get creative and pull a Sally Mann:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/artwork_images_141091_349259_sally-mann.jpg
From here:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/artist-watch/sally-mann/
artur5 wrote
Yes, we'll end up with something like this probably :http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpg
No way one would get a hard edged circle unless the sensor itself was masked off. Depending on the lens, it will be a gradual fall off - and some lenses will have a larger image circle than others even for the APS format. Maybe someone will get creative and pull a Sally Mann:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/artwork_images_141091_349259_sally-mann.jpg
From here:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/artist-watch/sally-mann/
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:42 PM
p.70 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
Well, that wasn't intended to be very accurate, only a fast sketch.
Strictly speaking the circle of Sony APS-C sensors is 28.1 mm in diameter
yeah, most lenses it's not a very hard boundary though too. i've seen a number of nice portraits on FF from the nikkor 35/1.8 which is an aps-c lens.
Well, that wasn't intended to be very accurate, only a fast sketch.
Strictly speaking the circle of Sony APS-C sensors is 28.1 mm in diameter
yeah, most lenses it's not a very hard boundary though too. i've seen a number of nice portraits on FF from the nikkor 35/1.8 which is an aps-c lens.
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:47 PM
p.70 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
That's great, and the shot below, fabulous!
Being able to still use my Sony E and Sigma glass on the a7 will make keeping the NEX 6 an integrated solution for when I want to stay with a truly pocketable option.
I hope the upcoming FF E glass will also be conpatible with the APS-c bodies. Having said that, I would expect the next gen aX to also offer a smaller evf-less option a-la RX-1.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpgno that won't cover aps-c (18x24).No way one would get a hard edged circle unless the sensor itself was masked off. Depending on the lens, it will be a gradual fall off - and some lenses will have a larger image circle than others even for the APS format. Maybe someone will get creative and pull a Sally Mann:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/artwork_images_141091_349259_sally-mann.jpg
From here:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/artist-watch/sally-mann/
Being able to still use my Sony E and Sigma glass on the a7 will make keeping the NEX 6 an integrated solution for when I want to stay with a truly pocketable option.
I hope the upcoming FF E glass will also be conpatible with the APS-c bodies. Having said that, I would expect the next gen aX to also offer a smaller evf-less option a-la RX-1.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
sebboh wrote
artur5 wrote
Yes, we'll end up with something like this probably :http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3963/lnvt.jpg
http://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/artwork_images_141091_349259_sally-mann.jpg
From here:
http://www.escapeintolife.com/artist-watch/sally-mann/
Oct 15, 2013 at 04:14 PM
p.70 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
We must suppose that the boundaries of the useful image circle, apart from the progressive darkening, will be quite poor regarding sharpness. Not a bad thing necessarily. Could be like a digital version of the circular daguerrotype portraits of the Victorian era. 
Oct 15, 2013 at 04:25 PM
p.70 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sony australia has set up a live streaming with a countdown to the launch...
Oct 15, 2013 at 04:38 PM
p.70 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jman13 wrote:
vs crop or super-crop (m43) with not-so-creamy lenses. You will see the difference even
in the 600x400px miniweb sizeBull. Unless by 'creamy' you mean ultra-shallow DOF..which is often not the desire of everyone around, frankly. And there are lots of lenses available for m4/3 and APS-C that give you very shallow DOF. Fuji's got a 23/1.4 (which will be shallower than the 35/2.8), the 35/1.4 (which will be the same DOF as the 55/1.8) and will soon have a 56/1.2 (same DOF as a future 85/1.8 for FF NEX). M4/3 has the 0.95 Voigtlanders, the 75/1.8 and the upcoming PL 42.5/1.2.
As you may recall, I did a test between m4/3, APS-C and FF and the results were...Show more →
LMAO!
snowboarder wrote
It's not about the resolution, it's about the look of FF files with great creamy lensesvs crop or super-crop (m43) with not-so-creamy lenses. You will see the difference even
in the 600x400px miniweb size
As you may recall, I did a test between m4/3, APS-C and FF and the results were...Show more →
LMAO!
Oct 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM
p.70 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
i'm pretty psyched to see how this combo performs:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3746/10299917995_96ecd733ac_o.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3746/10299917995_96ecd733ac_o.jpg
Oct 15, 2013 at 04:52 PM
p.70 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
So which retailer tends to ship preorders first?
Oct 15, 2013 at 05:55 PM
p.70 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jman13 wrote:
So which retailer tends to ship preorders first?
That's a trick question, isn't it?
Back when I ordered the Sony A900, it was Sony who first had stock - about 2 full weeks before anyone else. NEX-7 was a wild card because of the floods in Thailand. Maybe someone can chime in on the RX1? I doubt you could go wrong ordering directly from the Sony Store early.
With the Nikon D800E though, it was DEFINITELY NOT AMAZON, who took forever! I believe B&H and Adorama were a bit slow as well if I remember correctly. Smaller dealers, mom and pops were the fastest. I think folks also had good luck with Roberts Camera for instance. That whole scenario could have been down to how Nikon handles distribution though.
So which retailer tends to ship preorders first?
That's a trick question, isn't it?
Back when I ordered the Sony A900, it was Sony who first had stock - about 2 full weeks before anyone else. NEX-7 was a wild card because of the floods in Thailand. Maybe someone can chime in on the RX1? I doubt you could go wrong ordering directly from the Sony Store early.
With the Nikon D800E though, it was DEFINITELY NOT AMAZON, who took forever! I believe B&H and Adorama were a bit slow as well if I remember correctly. Smaller dealers, mom and pops were the fastest. I think folks also had good luck with Roberts Camera for instance. That whole scenario could have been down to how Nikon handles distribution though.
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:02 PM
p.70 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
That's a trick question, isn't it?
Back when I ordered the Sony A900, it was Sony who first had stock - about 2 full weeks before anyone else. NEX-7 was a wild card because of the floods in Thailand. Maybe someone can chime in on the RX1? I doubt you could go wrong ordering directly from the Sony Store early.
With the Nikon D800E though, it was DEFINITELY NOT AMAZON, who took forever! I believe B&H and Adorama were a bit slow as well if I remember correctly. Smaller dealers, mom and pops were the fastest. I think folks also had...Show more →
In Australia, I have found that Sony stores have the stock first. With the RX1R, they had stock virtually immediately. Warranty claim wise, I have found dealing directly with a Sony store is much better too. Whereas having bought directly through another camera store, they forward directly to Sony Sydney and this has not been a good experience, so much so they ended up replacing my RX1 after 3 1/2 weeks of trying to contact them.
Jman13 wrote
So which retailer tends to ship preorders first?Back when I ordered the Sony A900, it was Sony who first had stock - about 2 full weeks before anyone else. NEX-7 was a wild card because of the floods in Thailand. Maybe someone can chime in on the RX1? I doubt you could go wrong ordering directly from the Sony Store early.
With the Nikon D800E though, it was DEFINITELY NOT AMAZON, who took forever! I believe B&H and Adorama were a bit slow as well if I remember correctly. Smaller dealers, mom and pops were the fastest. I think folks also had...Show more →
In Australia, I have found that Sony stores have the stock first. With the RX1R, they had stock virtually immediately. Warranty claim wise, I have found dealing directly with a Sony store is much better too. Whereas having bought directly through another camera store, they forward directly to Sony Sydney and this has not been a good experience, so much so they ended up replacing my RX1 after 3 1/2 weeks of trying to contact them.
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:15 PM
p.70 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Also in the US, you can get a massive mile bonus if purchase directly from Sony,
I bought my RX1R from them as I wanted it quick for my trip, I had to pay taxes,
but I earned something like 15,000 frequent miles.
So I got it really fast, free shipping and a small part of my great Bora Bora trip is paid by it
I bought my RX1R from them as I wanted it quick for my trip, I had to pay taxes,
but I earned something like 15,000 frequent miles.
So I got it really fast, free shipping and a small part of my great Bora Bora trip is paid by it
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:28 PM
p.70 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
won't work, sebboh, ring is red, only gold rings work Is that a half moon where the front element should be?
'but the 'look' you get from simply shooting on a somewhat larger sensor with all else being equal is not one of them.'
Depends how much effort you go to to 'standardise' the test parameters for the 'look' you wish to portray in a pseudo-scientific assessment. The differences in images someone else shot with a range of lenses you don't know with techniques you don't know, of unfamiliar subject matter and then processed differently may not be visible to some viewers - no surprises there. Too many variables. Michael Reichmann showed some P&S was 'as good as' medium format too, on the bark of a tree from memory, lol.
Reducing file sizes and colour gamuts to what can be displayed on the web disproportionately punishes the better IQ formats and images. You can end up with Microsoft screen savers. Parlour games are fun, so long as they are not taken too seriously.
Try it over thousands of images. Images from different formats all look the same until they don't..
Is that a half moon where the front element should be?'but the 'look' you get from simply shooting on a somewhat larger sensor with all else being equal is not one of them.'
Depends how much effort you go to to 'standardise' the test parameters for the 'look' you wish to portray in a pseudo-scientific assessment. The differences in images someone else shot with a range of lenses you don't know with techniques you don't know, of unfamiliar subject matter and then processed differently may not be visible to some viewers - no surprises there. Too many variables. Michael Reichmann showed some P&S was 'as good as' medium format too, on the bark of a tree from memory, lol.
Reducing file sizes and colour gamuts to what can be displayed on the web disproportionately punishes the better IQ formats and images. You can end up with Microsoft screen savers. Parlour games are fun, so long as they are not taken too seriously.
Try it over thousands of images. Images from different formats all look the same until they don't..
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:29 PM
p.70 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I can't believe the full spec sheet or a picture of the back of the camera hasn't leaked
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:46 PM
p.70 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm with you on the lack of leaks for other angles.
Oct 15, 2013 at 06:50 PM