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p.42 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.? 
Oct 04, 2013 at 01:22 PM
p.42 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.?
A lot of people may not have enough FF lenses that want to stay with their APS-C lenses (and are not interested in FF). As to the sale price and for the sale of the Speed Booster...
Rich
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.?
A lot of people may not have enough FF lenses that want to stay with their APS-C lenses (and are not interested in FF). As to the sale price and for the sale of the Speed Booster...
Rich
Oct 04, 2013 at 01:25 PM
p.42 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
And it's a new fork in the road, artur. Cameras are tools not investments and Sony is not Bernie Madoff. Your comments indicate they are succeeding at their price strategy - great value for the $$. A lot of people think FF is overkill, and who can argue with personal preferences?
Oct 04, 2013 at 04:07 PM
p.42 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
$1700 is indeed too cheap. I'm going to wait for the $6000 Hasselblad version.
Oct 04, 2013 at 07:47 PM
p.42 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Matt Grum wrote:
$1700 is indeed too cheap. I'm going to wait for the $6000 Hasselblad version.
You do that. It will be a lot more expensive, though.
They probably first have to shoot an elephant to make the grip.
$1700 is indeed too cheap. I'm going to wait for the $6000 Hasselblad version.
You do that. It will be a lot more expensive, though.
They probably first have to shoot an elephant to make the grip.
Oct 05, 2013 at 02:38 AM
p.42 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.?
The Speedbooster is going to be a tough sell, but I have no plans to let the 7 go. If nothing else, it can be my 1.5x extender on the superteles.
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.?
The Speedbooster is going to be a tough sell, but I have no plans to let the 7 go. If nothing else, it can be my 1.5x extender on the superteles.
Oct 05, 2013 at 11:43 PM
p.42 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If Sony is keeping the E-mount with these FF cameras, are they going to launch a WHOLE new line of lenses ?
Current E-mount will crop corners and current A-mount will be too big and defeat the purpose of the camera...
Current E-mount will crop corners and current A-mount will be too big and defeat the purpose of the camera...
Oct 06, 2013 at 02:39 AM
p.42 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
The Speedbooster is going to be a tough sell, but I have no plans to let the 7 go. If nothing else, it can be my 1.5x extender on the superteles.
If you buy the 36mp. A7r, the N7 won't be a 1.5x extender, but only 1.25x
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I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.? If you buy the 36mp. A7r, the N7 won't be a 1.5x extender, but only 1.25x
Oct 06, 2013 at 02:44 AM
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p.42 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
The Speedbooster is going to be a tough sell, but I have no plans to let the 7 go. If nothing else, it can be my 1.5x extender on the superteles.If you buy the 36mp. A7r, the N7 won't be a 1.5x extender, but only 1.25x
1.22×
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artur5 wrote
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.? 1.22×
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:09 AM
p.42 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Looks like the cheap prices (for FF!) are going to be a reality.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-a7-and-a7r-price-in-canadian-dollars/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-a7-and-a7r-price-in-canadian-dollars/
Oct 06, 2013 at 10:44 AM
p.42 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If this is true,then the A7r = $2300 (Canadian $). That's 1650 Euro + vat. =.2000 Euro vat included.
Let's see if Sony keeps squeezing the European customers. I won't be surprised to see a price of 2500-3000 Euro.
Let's see if Sony keeps squeezing the European customers. I won't be surprised to see a price of 2500-3000 Euro.
Oct 06, 2013 at 11:09 AM
p.42 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
This is very interesting also:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-current-e-mount-aps-c-lenses-will-work-in-two-modes-on-the-a7-and-a7r/
"The current APS-C E-mount lenses like for example the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 will work in two modes on the Full Frame E-mount A7 and A7r cameras:
1) Crop mode: It means you can use the lens like it would be attached on a NEX-5-6-7
2) Full Frame mode: It means you can use the lens with Full…Full Frame activated. I have been told some lenses will have a cool heavy vignetting effect and some lenses will also cover almost the full FF area. it could be useful if you want to use a larger than APS-C area (4/3 mode or so)."
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-current-e-mount-aps-c-lenses-will-work-in-two-modes-on-the-a7-and-a7r/
"The current APS-C E-mount lenses like for example the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 will work in two modes on the Full Frame E-mount A7 and A7r cameras:
1) Crop mode: It means you can use the lens like it would be attached on a NEX-5-6-7
2) Full Frame mode: It means you can use the lens with Full…Full Frame activated. I have been told some lenses will have a cool heavy vignetting effect and some lenses will also cover almost the full FF area. it could be useful if you want to use a larger than APS-C area (4/3 mode or so)."
Oct 06, 2013 at 11:58 AM
p.42 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
That's positive. An interesting and indisputable fact is that lenses are circular while digital sensors are rectangular.
So if that was catered for the glass itself made for APS-C would cover the short side of an FF sensor. The FF short side is 24mm. The APS-C long sides differs but Sony is very close to 24mm.
I am sure this subject has been covered in other threads, what it means is that any APS-C lens will in fact cover exactly the same areas as an FF image cropped to a square. Not bad.
But it seem like the APS-C reality is a bummer. If I take a look at the back-side of my e-mount kit-zoom there's a plastic rectangle covering the underlying round lens. A random google search shows that e.g. the Sony prime 35/1.8 got that obstructive rectangle too.
But we (if I may say so) in the alt-community knows better. We use a variety of true FF lenses without any rectangular obstacles so we know that the next step and a holy grail is when Sony makes that 36x36mm sensor. But in wait for that photographic game-changer it is inspiring to see that Sony seem to have spent some thoughts around the difference of the light circle of an APS-C lens projecting itself on an FF-sensor.
So if that was catered for the glass itself made for APS-C would cover the short side of an FF sensor. The FF short side is 24mm. The APS-C long sides differs but Sony is very close to 24mm.
I am sure this subject has been covered in other threads, what it means is that any APS-C lens will in fact cover exactly the same areas as an FF image cropped to a square. Not bad.
But it seem like the APS-C reality is a bummer. If I take a look at the back-side of my e-mount kit-zoom there's a plastic rectangle covering the underlying round lens. A random google search shows that e.g. the Sony prime 35/1.8 got that obstructive rectangle too.
But we (if I may say so) in the alt-community knows better. We use a variety of true FF lenses without any rectangular obstacles so we know that the next step and a holy grail is when Sony makes that 36x36mm sensor. But in wait for that photographic game-changer it is inspiring to see that Sony seem to have spent some thoughts around the difference of the light circle of an APS-C lens projecting itself on an FF-sensor.
Oct 06, 2013 at 01:44 PM
p.42 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
The Speedbooster is going to be a tough sell, but I have no plans to let the 7 go. If nothing else, it can be my 1.5x extender on the superteles.If you buy the 36mp. A7r, the N7 won't be a 1.5x extender, but only 1.25x
FOV, not MPs per area.
freaklikeme wrote
artur5 wrote
I'm thinking that a "cheapish' model at $1600 aren't good news for me, Now, who's gonna buy my NEX7 and Speed Booster.? FOV, not MPs per area.
Oct 06, 2013 at 02:05 PM
p.42 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
wilhelm, a 24mm x 24mm crop from a 36Mp FF gives you 24Mp, not bad for a square with no additional vignetting other than by design. By my calcs, Sony's crop sensor (9.4% larger in area than Canon's) has a diameter of 28.3mm, radius 14.15mm.
You could lose a little from the short side to get more attractive ratios too, like 5:4 and 4:3, still with good file sizes. But it's early here so could very easily be wrong
You could lose a little from the short side to get more attractive ratios too, like 5:4 and 4:3, still with good file sizes. But it's early here so could very easily be wrong
Oct 06, 2013 at 03:56 PM
p.42 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
With the exceptions of the lack of RF focusing and possibly the inability of playing well with Leica M mount WA lenses (and the verdict is still out on this and will have to wait for tests), I think that Leica is going to have a problem with the release of the A7 to say nothing about the A7r.
Still waiting for the specs on the new Sony FF E-mount cameras.
I look forward to handling the cameras on October 24 at PhotoPlus.
Rich
Still waiting for the specs on the new Sony FF E-mount cameras.
I look forward to handling the cameras on October 24 at PhotoPlus.
Rich
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:04 PM
p.42 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
naturephoto1 wrote:
With the exceptions of the lack of RF focusing and possibly the inability of playing well with Leica M mounted WA lenses (and the verdict is still out on this and will have to wait for tests), I think that Leica is going to have a problem with the release of the A7 to say nothing about the A7r.
I do not think so. People do not buy Leica mainly or exclusively because of the quality of the camera, but because it is well crafted, because it is luxury, because it is expensive and because it is just: Leica. Half of thsoe people will not admit that, but leica knows who their core clients are.
Not a problem in my opinion, even ordinary people pay much (!) more for cars in their adult life than Leica fidels for cameras and lenses, and those cars will just drive them: from A to B - often at 10mpH in the rush hour.
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With the exceptions of the lack of RF focusing and possibly the inability of playing well with Leica M mounted WA lenses (and the verdict is still out on this and will have to wait for tests), I think that Leica is going to have a problem with the release of the A7 to say nothing about the A7r.
I do not think so. People do not buy Leica mainly or exclusively because of the quality of the camera, but because it is well crafted, because it is luxury, because it is expensive and because it is just: Leica. Half of thsoe people will not admit that, but leica knows who their core clients are.
Not a problem in my opinion, even ordinary people pay much (!) more for cars in their adult life than Leica fidels for cameras and lenses, and those cars will just drive them: from A to B - often at 10mpH in the rush hour.
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Oct 06, 2013 at 04:13 PM
p.42 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
wfrank wrote:
I am sure this subject has been covered in other threads, what it means is that any APS-C lens will in fact cover exactly the same areas as an FF image cropped to a square. Not bad.
Not really, unfortunately - with the same diameter (28,3 mm, thanks Philip) you could get a 20x20 crop.
I am sure this subject has been covered in other threads, what it means is that any APS-C lens will in fact cover exactly the same areas as an FF image cropped to a square. Not bad.
Not really, unfortunately - with the same diameter (28,3 mm, thanks Philip) you could get a 20x20 crop.
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:15 PM
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alba63 wrote:
I do not think so. People do not buy Leica mainly or exclusively because of the quality of the camera, but because it is well crafted, because it is luxury, because it is expensive and because it is just: Leica. Half of thsoe people will not admit that, but leica knows who their core clients are.
Not a problem in my opinion, even ordinary people pay much (!) more for cars in their adult life than Leica fidels for cameras and lenses, and those cars will just drive them: from A to B - often at 10mpH in the rush...Show more →
It is my opinion and I have used the Leica R system since 1984; I have 16 R lenses and am starting to get some M mount lenses for usage on my mirrorless cameras which will undoubtedly include either the A7r or a soon to follow-up camera. Leica has let the R users down for a camera body to accept their R lenses. Additionally a lot of M users are looking for another option to say nothing to having a 2nd or back up camera to their M 240 bodies.
Rich
naturephoto1 wrote
With the exceptions of the lack of RF focusing and possibly the inability of playing well with Leica M mounted WA lenses (and the verdict is still out on this and will have to wait for tests), I think that Leica is going to have a problem with the release of the A7 to say nothing about the A7r.Not a problem in my opinion, even ordinary people pay much (!) more for cars in their adult life than Leica fidels for cameras and lenses, and those cars will just drive them: from A to B - often at 10mpH in the rush...Show more →
It is my opinion and I have used the Leica R system since 1984; I have 16 R lenses and am starting to get some M mount lenses for usage on my mirrorless cameras which will undoubtedly include either the A7r or a soon to follow-up camera. Leica has let the R users down for a camera body to accept their R lenses. Additionally a lot of M users are looking for another option to say nothing to having a 2nd or back up camera to their M 240 bodies.
Rich
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:19 PM
p.42 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Rich, I think you represent another, dying breed of Leica customer, the serious R photographer. Leica's current clientele is not like that. There are some very good Leica photographers, but the prices are just insane, and anyone looking just for results would simply go elsewhere, there are other good systems. You have to have a lot of extra money, or a fanatical dedication to the brand. I was a Leica M8 owner, and also had the Tri-Elmar 16-18-21, 28 Cron, 50 Lux ASPH and 90 Cron ASPH, a really nice kit, but when I saw the M9 price, and the improvements that this price hike would bring, I left the system. I love the Leica lenses, and the rendering they have, but I don't see that the price premium of Leica lenses over, say, Zeiss lenses, is worth it any more. Leica caters to the rich now.
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:42 PM