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Archive 2013Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
p.41 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
From SAR:
"I am not sure yet but I think more advanced models will come in 2014. The A7 and A7r do sound more like great entry-level E-mount FF cameras."
Which would jive with the "7" model number as mentioned above. Surprised though that weather sealing is claimed for these "entry" level models.
"I am not sure yet but I think more advanced models will come in 2014. The A7 and A7r do sound more like great entry-level E-mount FF cameras."
Which would jive with the "7" model number as mentioned above. Surprised though that weather sealing is claimed for these "entry" level models.
Oct 04, 2013 at 04:03 AM
p.41 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-a7-price-lower-than-current-canon-and-nikon-ff-cameras/
"According to sources the new cheapest FF camera on market will be the soon to be announced “Sony A7“. Body only will be priced around 1600-1700 Euro/Dollars and there will be a kit option with the 28-70mm lens for less than 2000 Euro/Dollars. I will get the 100% final price soon."
"According to sources the new cheapest FF camera on market will be the soon to be announced “Sony A7“. Body only will be priced around 1600-1700 Euro/Dollars and there will be a kit option with the 28-70mm lens for less than 2000 Euro/Dollars. I will get the 100% final price soon."
Oct 04, 2013 at 05:58 AM
p.41 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
From SAR:
"I am not sure yet but I think more advanced models will come in 2014. The A7 and A7r do sound more like great entry-level E-mount FF cameras."
Which would jive with the "7" model number as mentioned above. Surprised though that weather sealing is claimed for these "entry" level models.
Decisions, decisions. Purchase A7r early in 2014, wait and see (and for how long) for the "Pro"/more advanced models to come. In the meantime I will check out the camera (s) at PhotoPlus on October 24.
Rich
From SAR:
"I am not sure yet but I think more advanced models will come in 2014. The A7 and A7r do sound more like great entry-level E-mount FF cameras."
Which would jive with the "7" model number as mentioned above. Surprised though that weather sealing is claimed for these "entry" level models.
Decisions, decisions. Purchase A7r early in 2014, wait and see (and for how long) for the "Pro"/more advanced models to come. In the meantime I will check out the camera (s) at PhotoPlus on October 24.
Rich
Oct 04, 2013 at 06:04 AM
p.41 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Around $ 1700 for the A7 (24MP) is not expensive! 
Oct 04, 2013 at 06:14 AM
p.41 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
And ibis rumored for 2014, from comments 7 hours ago,
"Ryan--Really pretty disappointed in SAR for riding this IBIS train for so long and touting it as though it was a fairly sure thing. I understand it’s a rumor site. Really really missed the mark on this one.
Admin--Nope. It’s coming in January!!!!"
[glad I cancelled the zeiss 16-70]
"Ryan--Really pretty disappointed in SAR for riding this IBIS train for so long and touting it as though it was a fairly sure thing. I understand it’s a rumor site. Really really missed the mark on this one.
Admin--Nope. It’s coming in January!!!!"
[glad I cancelled the zeiss 16-70]
Oct 04, 2013 at 06:34 AM
p.41 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Really interesting/ curious decision by Sony to put a 36MP FF sensor in an "entry" level body. Like everyone else, I can't wait to see what these bodies look like.
Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.
Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.
Oct 04, 2013 at 07:14 AM
p.41 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I agree with Tariq. It sounds strange indeed. And, if I may add, rather un-Sony-like. This is why I take what SAR announces with a grain of salt.
Oct 04, 2013 at 07:26 AM
p.41 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sculptormic wrote:
Around $ 1700 for the A7 (24MP) is not expensive!
It's a little bit cheaper than I expected. I'm curious to see the body design and AF speed.
Around $ 1700 for the A7 (24MP) is not expensive!
It's a little bit cheaper than I expected. I'm curious to see the body design and AF speed.
Oct 04, 2013 at 08:31 AM
p.41 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
My guess is that, next year, we'll see some kind of FF e-mount with a larger body, like the ILC-3000, and it'll be the one with the IBIS and Z axis thing that was rumored.
Oct 04, 2013 at 08:37 AM
p.41 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If the body design is NEX-7 alike, then i can't wait to get my mini Leica 40/2 on it and have a pocket size FF ...AT LAST !
Oct 04, 2013 at 09:43 AM
p.41 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philber wrote:
I agree with Tariq. It sounds strange indeed. And, if I may add, rather un-Sony-like. This is why I take what SAR announces with a grain of salt.
Yup I agree but we seem to be more details slowly so all our questions will be shortly answered. More importantly, it appears to becoming a reality!
I agree with Tariq. It sounds strange indeed. And, if I may add, rather un-Sony-like. This is why I take what SAR announces with a grain of salt.
Yup I agree but we seem to be more details slowly so all our questions will be shortly answered. More importantly, it appears to becoming a reality!
Oct 04, 2013 at 09:54 AM
p.41 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
jonrock wrote:
I'm curious to see (...) AF speed.
Compared to the only other mirrorless FF cameras (digital M), I'd say pretty fast...
I'm curious to see (...) AF speed.
Compared to the only other mirrorless FF cameras (digital M), I'd say pretty fast...
Oct 04, 2013 at 09:57 AM
p.41 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Really interesting/ curious decision by Sony to put a 36MP FF sensor in an "entry" level body. Like everyone else, I can't wait to see what these bodies look like.
Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.
I guess the error would then lie in the "entry level" part. Hybrid AF is becoming standard little by little, they already had it in the APS Nex models, IBIS probably not possible in a camera body that size that has an FF sensor inside. It is even not sure whether IBIS is currently possible at all with a 24x36mm sensor, let alone in such a tiny (!) camera body. Otherwise, build quality of current Nex6/7 is already not bad at all. Never had a problem with those....
For me, the fact that Sony (apparently) achieved to build an interchangeable lens body that size with full frame sensor is already amazing. If the AF is a bit faster than their current Nex cameras, the lenses are good and the prices affordable, then Sony already achieved something amazing. Just look at an RX-1 (or Nex-7) next to a d800 on camera-size.com: http://camerasize.com/compare/#290,468
Had CaNikon released FF DSLRs the size of an Olympus OM with an optical finder of the same size, people would not be so hot for those mirrorless cameras.
Really interesting/ curious decision by Sony to put a 36MP FF sensor in an "entry" level body. Like everyone else, I can't wait to see what these bodies look like.
Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.
I guess the error would then lie in the "entry level" part. Hybrid AF is becoming standard little by little, they already had it in the APS Nex models, IBIS probably not possible in a camera body that size that has an FF sensor inside. It is even not sure whether IBIS is currently possible at all with a 24x36mm sensor, let alone in such a tiny (!) camera body. Otherwise, build quality of current Nex6/7 is already not bad at all. Never had a problem with those....
For me, the fact that Sony (apparently) achieved to build an interchangeable lens body that size with full frame sensor is already amazing. If the AF is a bit faster than their current Nex cameras, the lenses are good and the prices affordable, then Sony already achieved something amazing. Just look at an RX-1 (or Nex-7) next to a d800 on camera-size.com: http://camerasize.com/compare/#290,468
Had CaNikon released FF DSLRs the size of an Olympus OM with an optical finder of the same size, people would not be so hot for those mirrorless cameras.
Oct 04, 2013 at 10:13 AM
p.41 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
alba63 wrote:
Compared to the only other mirrorless FF cameras (digital M), I'd say pretty fast...
jonrock wrote
I'm curious to see (...) AF speed.Oct 04, 2013 at 10:29 AM
p.41 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
alba63 wrote:
Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.I guess the error would then lie in the "entry level" part. Hybrid AF is becoming standard little by little, they already had it in the APS Nex models, IBIS probably not possible in a camera body that size that has an FF sensor inside. It is even not sure whether IBIS is currently possible at all with a 24x36mm sensor, let alone in such a tiny (!) camera body. Otherwise, build quality of current Nex6/7 is already not bad at all. Never had a problem with those....
For me, the fact that Sony (apparently) achieved to build an interchangeable lens...Show more →
+1, except that sony already has FF IBIS so it is possible, just not sure how small it can be.
Tariq Gibran wrote
Really interesting/ curious decision by Sony to put a 36MP FF sensor in an "entry" level body. Like everyone else, I can't wait to see what these bodies look like.Sounds like January will be when we see the higher end body.
For me, the fact that Sony (apparently) achieved to build an interchangeable lens...Show more →
+1, except that sony already has FF IBIS so it is possible, just not sure how small it can be.
Oct 04, 2013 at 10:32 AM
p.41 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philber wrote:
I agree with Tariq. It sounds strange indeed. And, if I may add, rather un-Sony-like. This is why I take what SAR announces with a grain of salt.
Evolve or perish. Who saw the nex coming? Even after it was on the market, it took some time for its impact to take hold. Also, I don't think the term "entry level" refers to any full frame digital camera. You don't enter with a full frame :-) it's never the first camera ;-)
Infact these first ones may end up being the best ones. They're going to be the smallest ones, and thank the good Lord, they are weathersealed!
Lastly, let's give SAR credit. Over and over, we hear it there first. Thanks, Andrea :-)
I agree with Tariq. It sounds strange indeed. And, if I may add, rather un-Sony-like. This is why I take what SAR announces with a grain of salt.
Evolve or perish. Who saw the nex coming? Even after it was on the market, it took some time for its impact to take hold. Also, I don't think the term "entry level" refers to any full frame digital camera. You don't enter with a full frame :-) it's never the first camera ;-)
Infact these first ones may end up being the best ones. They're going to be the smallest ones, and thank the good Lord, they are weathersealed!
Lastly, let's give SAR credit. Over and over, we hear it there first. Thanks, Andrea :-)
Oct 04, 2013 at 10:36 AM
p.41 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
This gives an idea as to how large the IBIS sensor assembly of the A99 is: link
Oct 04, 2013 at 10:56 AM
p.41 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I dont know what an entry level FF camera is, particularly in an alt forum context where AF-speed is secondary.
My personal picks among the latest rumors are that the cheap one will lack EVF and will therefor will be very small which suits me perfectly. Just hope they dont forget the hinges on the touchable screen :-)
I've been standing in the never-ending Canon FF waiting list so I just cant wait to see some favorite Contax et.al lenses lighting up that sweet RX1-style 24MP sensor.
My personal picks among the latest rumors are that the cheap one will lack EVF and will therefor will be very small which suits me perfectly. Just hope they dont forget the hinges on the touchable screen :-)
I've been standing in the never-ending Canon FF waiting list so I just cant wait to see some favorite Contax et.al lenses lighting up that sweet RX1-style 24MP sensor.
Oct 04, 2013 at 12:35 PM
p.41 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
According to the latest rumours both models will have EVF and weather sealing. The main difference will be the sensor : 24mp vs 36mp
( Let's see what they say tomorrrow.. )
( Let's see what they say tomorrrow..
)Oct 04, 2013 at 12:59 PM
p.41 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I take "entry level" with regard to FF to refer to features (IBIS, AF, finder, FPS, etc.) and build quality. In the FF segment, "entry level" simply means the bottom/ entry into that FF segment. Traditionally, this meant a cheapish, mid-range body with a nice FF sensor. Yes, perfect for ALT use! So, I would not expect the refinement of an RX1 or the robustness and build quality of the a900/a99. If we are lucky, we will get NEX-7 quality - but hopefully with some improvements learned from that camera (better materials for the grip, better optics for the EVF)...and better weather sealing than say a Canon 5DII!
Oct 04, 2013 at 01:02 PM