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Archive 2013Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
p.30 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I agree with all, maybe DK is drumming up web traffic.
If your aim is to produce a 'take any lens' ILC, that might be the vanilla NEX FF, and you might consider making a better engineered RX version with boutique pretensions with seriously high end (RX1 standard) lenses.
Leaf shutters are the bee's knees of course, for a serenely quiet, low vibe camera. The outrageous shutter noise and mirror slap are the two things as bad as size/weight in 'many moving parts' DSLRs, and even Leica M for the shutter racket.
Such a camera would still need greater differentiation however than styling and shutter type - maybe more Mps...special sensor to suit the lenses, greater tolerances/QA, design touches?
That's not wish fulfilment but well established marketing practice, known as niche marketing. It works. Lexus is an example, Subaru's Spec B and STI cars another, they work better.
And Sony is a model proliferation outfit if ever there was one. I definitely expect > one FF model to cover off different buyer types even if this rumour is plain wrong. How many Fujis are there?
If your aim is to produce a 'take any lens' ILC, that might be the vanilla NEX FF, and you might consider making a better engineered RX version with boutique pretensions with seriously high end (RX1 standard) lenses.
Leaf shutters are the bee's knees of course, for a serenely quiet, low vibe camera. The outrageous shutter noise and mirror slap are the two things as bad as size/weight in 'many moving parts' DSLRs, and even Leica M for the shutter racket.
Such a camera would still need greater differentiation however than styling and shutter type - maybe more Mps...special sensor to suit the lenses, greater tolerances/QA, design touches?
That's not wish fulfilment but well established marketing practice, known as niche marketing. It works. Lexus is an example, Subaru's Spec B and STI cars another, they work better.
And Sony is a model proliferation outfit if ever there was one. I definitely expect > one FF model to cover off different buyer types even if this rumour is plain wrong. How many Fujis are there?
Sep 11, 2013 at 05:55 PM
p.30 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
"It would be quite fun though if it turned out that over 30 years after the end of the Minolta CLE, a decade after the demise of the Konica RF, and fully 55 years after Minolta’s first abortive bid to make a Leica M body system camera… that Sony put a plain old Leica M mount on the front instead."
That's the wish fulfillment to which I referred, Philip.
That's the wish fulfillment to which I referred, Philip.
Sep 11, 2013 at 08:31 PM
p.30 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Fine. His article was a mix of different things, FLM, I guess he is an old time photographer with a long memory, so you are very likely right.
I saw the rumours guy put this up in his comments, so not long to go now:
'It looks like NEX7 refresh and A-mount will come 2-3 months after NEX-FF launch. Everything got delayed in favour of the NEX-FF.'
I saw the rumours guy put this up in his comments, so not long to go now:
'It looks like NEX7 refresh and A-mount will come 2-3 months after NEX-FF launch. Everything got delayed in favour of the NEX-FF.'
Sep 11, 2013 at 08:45 PM
p.30 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philip_pj wrote:
I agree with all, maybe DK is drumming up web traffic.
If your aim is to produce a 'take any lens' ILC, that might be the vanilla NEX FF, and you might consider making a better engineered RX version with boutique pretensions with seriously high end (RX1 standard) lenses.
Leaf shutters are the bee's knees of course, for a serenely quiet, low vibe camera. The outrageous shutter noise and mirror slap are the two things as bad as size/weight in 'many moving parts' DSLRs, and even Leica M for the shutter racket.
Philip, IMHO, the solution to focal plane shutter vibrations and mechanical wear isn't a leaf shutter, which requires a new series of lenses with modified optical designs. The solution is the electronic shutter. We're almost there.
I agree with all, maybe DK is drumming up web traffic.
If your aim is to produce a 'take any lens' ILC, that might be the vanilla NEX FF, and you might consider making a better engineered RX version with boutique pretensions with seriously high end (RX1 standard) lenses.
Leaf shutters are the bee's knees of course, for a serenely quiet, low vibe camera. The outrageous shutter noise and mirror slap are the two things as bad as size/weight in 'many moving parts' DSLRs, and even Leica M for the shutter racket.
Philip, IMHO, the solution to focal plane shutter vibrations and mechanical wear isn't a leaf shutter, which requires a new series of lenses with modified optical designs. The solution is the electronic shutter. We're almost there.
Sep 12, 2013 at 02:46 AM
p.30 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
It sounds like the information was garbled by too many Chinese whispers. However, If the major take-away is true, and the camera is being tested in Europe, then it's very good news. I also hope for a focal-plane shutter and M-lens compatibility.
Sep 12, 2013 at 02:48 AM
p.30 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
That should drive M-Lens prices sky high...
Sep 12, 2013 at 04:04 AM
p.30 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Right, because at the moment they are affordable...
Sep 12, 2013 at 04:10 AM
p.30 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I buy 5kg leica lenses for lunch daily...
But seriously, adaptation of a FF mirrorless is much more attractive than on crop for a lot of people.
And given the fact that you don't have to buy an M9 body, that gives a rather good margin for driving a bid up...
But seriously, adaptation of a FF mirrorless is much more attractive than on crop for a lot of people.
And given the fact that you don't have to buy an M9 body, that gives a rather good margin for driving a bid up...
Sep 12, 2013 at 04:19 AM
p.30 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Krosavcheg wrote:
That should drive M-Lens prices sky high...
I doubt it. I don't really see lots of sony nex buyers buying 3 or 4000 dollar leica's beside some people here on the forum. Maybe the lower end lenses like the ZM's, VC's or old leica's. But how many people buy a used 1000 dollar lens when sony offers a new autofocus CZ lens for about the same money.
That should drive M-Lens prices sky high...
I doubt it. I don't really see lots of sony nex buyers buying 3 or 4000 dollar leica's beside some people here on the forum. Maybe the lower end lenses like the ZM's, VC's or old leica's. But how many people buy a used 1000 dollar lens when sony offers a new autofocus CZ lens for about the same money.
Sep 12, 2013 at 05:40 AM
p.30 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I am a happy bunny again..
Sep 12, 2013 at 05:49 AM
p.30 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
SARS has updated info/rumors about the FF NEX. This includes that a source has indicated that the cameras are not an interchangeable RX1 camera, both cameras have the same new sensor and are E-mount, and that the cameras are based upon the NEX 7 and about 20% larger than the NEX 7.
Rich
Rich
Sep 12, 2013 at 06:09 AM
p.30 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Krosavcheg wrote:
I buy 5kg leica lenses for lunch daily...
...?
Ah, I know! The 90/1! This lens interferes mildly with the rangefinder.
http://www.arsenal-photo.eu/bild/013972.jpg
I buy 5kg leica lenses for lunch daily...
...?
Ah, I know! The 90/1! This lens interferes mildly with the rangefinder.
http://www.arsenal-photo.eu/bild/013972.jpg
Sep 12, 2013 at 06:19 AM
p.30 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
naturephoto1 wrote:
both cameras have the same new sensor and are E-mount
I was hoping for a normal and high resolution version, something like 24MP and 36MP that ought to keep most people happy. Both cameras having the same sensor makes it much more unlikely that it will be 36MP or more...
I wonder how they are going to differentiate the high and low end offerings then, weather sealing? EVF? Framerate? IBIS? All of the above?
I'm unconcerned about the specs of the native lenses (as I'm sure are many others here), might be nice to have one really compact native prime for travelling extremely light, but the rest of the time it will be foreign lenses via an adaptor.
both cameras have the same new sensor and are E-mount
I was hoping for a normal and high resolution version, something like 24MP and 36MP that ought to keep most people happy. Both cameras having the same sensor makes it much more unlikely that it will be 36MP or more...
I wonder how they are going to differentiate the high and low end offerings then, weather sealing? EVF? Framerate? IBIS? All of the above?
I'm unconcerned about the specs of the native lenses (as I'm sure are many others here), might be nice to have one really compact native prime for travelling extremely light, but the rest of the time it will be foreign lenses via an adaptor.
Sep 12, 2013 at 06:55 AM
p.30 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Matt Grum wrote:
I was hoping for a normal and high resolution version, something like 24MP and 36MP that ought to keep most people happy. Both cameras having the same sensor makes it much more unlikely that it will be 36MP or more...
I wonder how they are going to differentiate the high and low end offerings then, weather sealing? EVF? Framerate? IBIS? All of the above?
I'm unconcerned about the specs of the native lenses (as I'm sure are many others here), might be nice to have one really compact native prime for travelling extremely light, but the rest of the time it...Show more →
Matt,
I think that SARS had indicated that Sony had been experimenting with 24MP, 32MP, and 36MP FF cameras. I would not be surprised if they are the 32MP or even the 36MP. But, we will need to wait and see and hopefully these and other info will be revealed shortly.
Rich
naturephoto1 wrote
both cameras have the same new sensor and are E-mountI wonder how they are going to differentiate the high and low end offerings then, weather sealing? EVF? Framerate? IBIS? All of the above?
I'm unconcerned about the specs of the native lenses (as I'm sure are many others here), might be nice to have one really compact native prime for travelling extremely light, but the rest of the time it...Show more →
Matt,
I think that SARS had indicated that Sony had been experimenting with 24MP, 32MP, and 36MP FF cameras. I would not be surprised if they are the 32MP or even the 36MP. But, we will need to wait and see and hopefully these and other info will be revealed shortly.
Rich
Sep 12, 2013 at 06:59 AM
p.30 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
32MP FF on both models would be fine with me.
A cheaper (under 2K) FF version adaptable to any lens with that sensor, count me in!
A cheaper (under 2K) FF version adaptable to any lens with that sensor, count me in!Sep 12, 2013 at 07:33 AM
p.30 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
^^^ Makes me happy.
But I do think it's possible we're looking at two different rumors between the FF NEX and the mystery RX body roaming around Paris. Sony made it fairly clear the Alpha team, responsible for the Alpha and NEX lines, and the Cybershot team, responsible for the RXs, were separate (and, as rumored, competing) entities. It makes sense that the Alpha team is working on NEXs that will look and function like the NEXs we know today. That doesn't preclude the Cybershot team from developing their own interchangeable lens camera based on the RX-1 design.
But I do think it's possible we're looking at two different rumors between the FF NEX and the mystery RX body roaming around Paris. Sony made it fairly clear the Alpha team, responsible for the Alpha and NEX lines, and the Cybershot team, responsible for the RXs, were separate (and, as rumored, competing) entities. It makes sense that the Alpha team is working on NEXs that will look and function like the NEXs we know today. That doesn't preclude the Cybershot team from developing their own interchangeable lens camera based on the RX-1 design.
Sep 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM
p.30 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
edwardkaraa wrote:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-short-nex-ff-system-hands-on-report-we-need-lenses/
Little strange post. The lenses are not good enough because they are only f/2.8 for the 35mm and only f/1.8 for the 55mm and 85mm.
I think I won't mention the leica elmar's to him. A f/3.8 lens which is also good? Phew...
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-short-nex-ff-system-hands-on-report-we-need-lenses/
Little strange post. The lenses are not good enough because they are only f/2.8 for the 35mm and only f/1.8 for the 55mm and 85mm.
I think I won't mention the leica elmar's to him. A f/3.8 lens which is also good? Phew...
Sep 12, 2013 at 01:58 PM
p.30 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
It is a very strange post. Compact lenses or fast lenses. Pick one. If there is going to be a fast wide, I'd rather have a 28mm over a 35mm. It's a personal choice. f/1.8 is fine for the normal and telephoto. I think people are mentally stuck on the f/1.4 number. For this camera, I could care less about zooms. I will hold onto my NEX-7 and use the compact zooms on that camera, and focus on absolute IQ with primes on FF NEX.
Sep 12, 2013 at 02:22 PM