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p.29 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Nex RX1 with interchangeable lenses
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
Sep 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM
p.29 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Lots of smoke screens going around. I just saw the episode on games of thrones.
Sep 10, 2013 at 12:48 PM
p.29 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I thought I was all caught up on GoT, but I missed the episode where they were trying to find out the truth about the FF NEX offerings. Will they be putting dragon glass on it to kill the white walkers with devastatingly sharp portraits?
Sep 10, 2013 at 09:03 PM
p.29 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
I thought I was all caught up on GoT, but I missed the episode where they were trying to find out the truth about the FF NEX offerings. Will they be putting dragon glass on it to kill the white walkers with devastatingly sharp portraits?
Oh, they find it, but realize that the FF NEX has a trait that is similar to the dragons' responsiveness only to Dany - the camera will only function in the hands of good photographers. Alternative ending - the camera will only function when bought at retail price. Take that, used market!
I thought I was all caught up on GoT, but I missed the episode where they were trying to find out the truth about the FF NEX offerings. Will they be putting dragon glass on it to kill the white walkers with devastatingly sharp portraits?
Oh, they find it, but realize that the FF NEX has a trait that is similar to the dragons' responsiveness only to Dany - the camera will only function in the hands of good photographers. Alternative ending - the camera will only function when bought at retail price. Take that, used market!
Sep 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM
p.29 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sony Alpha Rumors has now jumped on the bandwagon regarding the RX1 with interchangeable lenses:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/also-david-kilpatrick-confirms-the-nex-ff-is-coming-in-october/#comments
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
Obviously we still need to await more information from Sony about this and if this is in fact the expensive FF NEX camera I am beginning to have some concerns.
Some of my concerns reflect those when the Leica M240 was released.
Unlike the Leica M240 and if the new FF camera is based upon the Sony RX1R and allows for the optional Sony electronic release/remote control, that solves one issue with the Leica M240 which only offers a standard cable release (until you add the expensive Mult function grip). Other issues of concern though are in regards to the longest shutter speed offered by the camera is 30 seconds; no bulb mode is available (I believe at least some of the NEX cameras have a way around this). This would be a major obstacle for many types of photographs. The Leica M240 allows depending upon the ISO only has a longest shutter speed of 60 seconds and this too is a major problem.
Also as in the case of the Leica M240 as well as the Sony RX1 and RX1R there is an optional EVF that would sit in the hotshoe of the camera. But, if you use this it precludes the usage of a flash unit (or a flash cable for remote flash)- you can not use both at the same time. In the case of the Leica M240, Leica offers the Multi function grip that offers the ability for a second hot shoe. I doubt that Sony would offer this very expensive option. Additionally from what I have read using the Sony EVF interferes with the Sony thumb grip. I am not sure if the Really Right Stuff L Bracket and Grip would interfere with using the EVF.
Rich
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/also-david-kilpatrick-confirms-the-nex-ff-is-coming-in-october/#comments
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
Obviously we still need to await more information from Sony about this and if this is in fact the expensive FF NEX camera I am beginning to have some concerns.
Some of my concerns reflect those when the Leica M240 was released.
Unlike the Leica M240 and if the new FF camera is based upon the Sony RX1R and allows for the optional Sony electronic release/remote control, that solves one issue with the Leica M240 which only offers a standard cable release (until you add the expensive Mult function grip). Other issues of concern though are in regards to the longest shutter speed offered by the camera is 30 seconds; no bulb mode is available (I believe at least some of the NEX cameras have a way around this). This would be a major obstacle for many types of photographs. The Leica M240 allows depending upon the ISO only has a longest shutter speed of 60 seconds and this too is a major problem.
Also as in the case of the Leica M240 as well as the Sony RX1 and RX1R there is an optional EVF that would sit in the hotshoe of the camera. But, if you use this it precludes the usage of a flash unit (or a flash cable for remote flash)- you can not use both at the same time. In the case of the Leica M240, Leica offers the Multi function grip that offers the ability for a second hot shoe. I doubt that Sony would offer this very expensive option. Additionally from what I have read using the Sony EVF interferes with the Sony thumb grip. I am not sure if the Really Right Stuff L Bracket and Grip would interfere with using the EVF.
Rich
Sep 11, 2013 at 05:21 AM
p.29 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The one thing I'm really curious about is this new rumor that the NEX FF that looks like the RX1 body will use leaf shutter lenses (which might also help to explain the slower lens speeds we are seeing initially).
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t fit the new mini-Leica-style body. But it may also contain a focal plane shutter, as there is such a high potential demand to retrofit Leica M and other vintage lenses to a full frame body of this size."
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
If that's true, one major fear is that it wouldn't contain a focal plane shutter (which would certainly increase the size). Would Sony actually release a camera that could ONLY use proprietary Zeiss/ Sony lenses with built in leaf shutters? That would really suck but it sure would force users to buy their lenses from Sony! I guess If I could not use adapted lenses with this camera, my interest would go down to Zero. I'm also not so keen on an interchangeable body as small as the RX1. I think it needs to be a little bigger myself.
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t fit the new mini-Leica-style body. But it may also contain a focal plane shutter, as there is such a high potential demand to retrofit Leica M and other vintage lenses to a full frame body of this size."
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2013/09/10/rx1-nex-coming-in-october-2-interchangeable-lenses/
If that's true, one major fear is that it wouldn't contain a focal plane shutter (which would certainly increase the size). Would Sony actually release a camera that could ONLY use proprietary Zeiss/ Sony lenses with built in leaf shutters? That would really suck but it sure would force users to buy their lenses from Sony! I guess If I could not use adapted lenses with this camera, my interest would go down to Zero. I'm also not so keen on an interchangeable body as small as the RX1. I think it needs to be a little bigger myself.
Sep 11, 2013 at 08:46 AM
p.29 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
The one thing I'm really curious about is this new rumor that the NEX FF that looks like the RX1 body will use leaf shutter lenses (which might also help to explain the slower lens speeds we are seeing initially).
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t...Show more →
If that is the case and at least if this is the first NEX FF camera that would not have a focal plane shutter, would only accept Sony/Zeiss lenses with leaf shutters, and could not be adapted to accept manual focus Legacy lenses, I would probably be uninterested in this model camera.
Rich
The one thing I'm really curious about is this new rumor that the NEX FF that looks like the RX1 body will use leaf shutter lenses (which might also help to explain the slower lens speeds we are seeing initially).
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t...Show more →
If that is the case and at least if this is the first NEX FF camera that would not have a focal plane shutter, would only accept Sony/Zeiss lenses with leaf shutters, and could not be adapted to accept manual focus Legacy lenses, I would probably be uninterested in this model camera.
Rich
Sep 11, 2013 at 09:07 AM
p.29 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
naturephoto1 wrote:
Other issues of concern though are in regards to the longest shutter speed offered by the camera is 30 seconds; no bulb mode is available (I believe at least some of the NEX cameras have a way around this). This would be a major obstacle for many types of photographs. The Leica M240 allows depending upon the ISO only has a longest shutter speed of 60 seconds and this too is a major problem.
Rich
all of sony NEX cameras have a bulb mode as does the rx1. the bulb mode is useless on the lowest end NEX-3s because there is no remote or cable release option (as far as i know), but it works fine on the rx1 and all the other NEXs.
i too am uninterested if the camera does not allow the use of lenses without an included shutter.
Other issues of concern though are in regards to the longest shutter speed offered by the camera is 30 seconds; no bulb mode is available (I believe at least some of the NEX cameras have a way around this). This would be a major obstacle for many types of photographs. The Leica M240 allows depending upon the ISO only has a longest shutter speed of 60 seconds and this too is a major problem.
Rich
all of sony NEX cameras have a bulb mode as does the rx1. the bulb mode is useless on the lowest end NEX-3s because there is no remote or cable release option (as far as i know), but it works fine on the rx1 and all the other NEXs.
i too am uninterested if the camera does not allow the use of lenses without an included shutter.
Sep 11, 2013 at 09:16 AM
p.29 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
David K. kind of has a history of making odd assumptions and predictions, so I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The only possibility I can see of a interchangeable RX camera is if we have more than one FF mirrorless coming from Sony.
Sep 11, 2013 at 10:08 AM
p.29 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
The one thing I'm really curious about is this new rumor that the NEX FF that looks like the RX1 body will use leaf shutter lenses (which might also help to explain the slower lens speeds we are seeing initially).
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t...Show more →
I also don't really see the point in using a leaf shutter for such a camera. I always associate them with studio photography with flash, not the most logical place for such a camera.
Good thing, it would allow the use of a huge group of "new" altenative lenses with build in leaf shutter. Rodenstock, Schneider, leica S.
The one thing I'm really curious about is this new rumor that the NEX FF that looks like the RX1 body will use leaf shutter lenses (which might also help to explain the slower lens speeds we are seeing initially).
"The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t...Show more →
I also don't really see the point in using a leaf shutter for such a camera. I always associate them with studio photography with flash, not the most logical place for such a camera.
Good thing, it would allow the use of a huge group of "new" altenative lenses with build in leaf shutter. Rodenstock, Schneider, leica S.
Sep 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM
p.29 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If true, a leaf shutter would likely be much quieter with less vibration than a focal plane shutter in such a small body, but I don't think these newest rumors are true, myself.
Sep 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM
p.29 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm wondering if a leaf shutter might also allow you to place the rear element closer to the sensor, and minimize the light angle of incidence, similar to the RX1. Still though, I agree with Douglas: this rumor seems unlikely to me.
Sep 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM
p.29 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
alwang wrote:
I'm wondering if a leaf shutter might also allow you to place the rear element closer to the sensor, and minimize the light angle of incidence, similar to the RX1. Still though, I agree with Douglas: this rumor seems unlikely to me.
Good point about the rear element, although I can't imagine that they'd allow the rear element to get too close, and the e-mount diameter would still be pretty limiting on just how large that rear element could be. I don't know, this rumor just doesn't seem right, to me.
I'm wondering if a leaf shutter might also allow you to place the rear element closer to the sensor, and minimize the light angle of incidence, similar to the RX1. Still though, I agree with Douglas: this rumor seems unlikely to me.
Good point about the rear element, although I can't imagine that they'd allow the rear element to get too close, and the e-mount diameter would still be pretty limiting on just how large that rear element could be. I don't know, this rumor just doesn't seem right, to me.
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM
p.29 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
yeah, my guess is David just heard a few things and filled in some crazy assumptions of his own.
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM
p.29 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Of course, I should admit that, if there was an "interchangeable RX1" in the same body style with a few small, leaf-shutter primes, it would be a little tempting for me, even though my brain is telling me it is silly, since I shoot a single prime nearly always!
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM
p.29 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm guessing the "mirrorless RX1" is just regurgitation confusion.
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM
p.29 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
On Internet, whatever silly or weird thing you'd imagine, written in the right context, in the right place and the right moment, will be believed by some people for some time... ( until another even weirder thing contradicts the first one. 
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)Sep 11, 2013 at 04:27 PM
p.29 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
corposant wrote:
Oh, they find it, but realize that the FF NEX has a trait that is similar to the dragons' responsiveness only to Dany - the camera will only function in the hands of good photographers. Alternative ending - the camera will only function when bought at retail price. Take that, used market!
I'd only believe it if it ended with, "...and then another Stark dies."
freaklikeme wrote
I thought I was all caught up on GoT, but I missed the episode where they were trying to find out the truth about the FF NEX offerings. Will they be putting dragon glass on it to kill the white walkers with devastatingly sharp portraits?I'd only believe it if it ended with, "...and then another Stark dies."
Sep 11, 2013 at 04:46 PM
p.29 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sebboh wrote:
yeah, my guess is David just heard a few things and filled in some crazy assumptions of his own.
I think it's a popular rumor because plays into wish fulfillment for so many people, with the RF leanings of the RX-1's body style taken to an illogical conclusion.
yeah, my guess is David just heard a few things and filled in some crazy assumptions of his own.
I think it's a popular rumor because plays into wish fulfillment for so many people, with the RF leanings of the RX-1's body style taken to an illogical conclusion.
Sep 11, 2013 at 04:50 PM
p.29 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
No more GoT references since I haven't finished season 2 yet. I'd have to leave this thread in fear of spoilers.
My GoT reference concerns the multiple rumors as Tyrion set up.
The one I hope is true is an entry level priced nex-ff.
My GoT reference concerns the multiple rumors as Tyrion set up.
The one I hope is true is an entry level priced nex-ff.
Sep 11, 2013 at 04:50 PM