Even looking at the M240; if DxO sensor ratings have any meaning (they generally do, more so than the lens rating), they ought to have chosen to leap ahead of CaNikon with this one.
edwardkaraa wrote:
I didn't have any high expectations about this camera, and it did occur to me it was most probably an X2 with a zoom, but I never expected the zoom to be that bad. It's even worse than P&S during film days. This camera is not even for enthusiasts or amateurs, so the only potential clientele is casual family shooters with deep pockets.
Exactly my thoughts re: potential clientele. I didn't have great expectations either, but its still pretty insulting ;-). I guess I'll stumble back over and gaze towards Sony / Fuji.
but seriously, is anybody expecting leica to release something that could compete with the M/9/240?
why would they make a viable alternative for a substantial discount? or more importantly, how could they? they'd need to source an EVF and other technology to pull off a mirrorless digital, which you'd think would make it cost more than an M 240, which has a rangefinder that was designed like half a century ago.
Isn't this the first large-sensor compact with a zoom?
If I was a company whose credibility rested, other than nostalgia, 99.9% on lenses I would launch a new niche/market with a lame, slow-ass lens. *shrug*
Jochenb wrote:
Ha ha, get ready for the usual "our users asked for such a product" comments from Leica
to be fair i have seen a lot people asking for an aps-c camera with a fixed zoom, basically an upsized rx100. lots of people complain about the lack of versatility (or whatever) in the x100 and rx-1. i've heard a lot of people ask for just this camera (well, some of them wanted it to magically be an f/1 zoom...), but i don't think any of them were ever potential leica buyers. if you want small size and variable focal length you're stuck with interchangeable lenses or slow ass zooms. leica doesn't have the capacity for a new aps-c lens line so there option was this or something that uses m lenses. obviously i think their choice was stupid.
Lee Saxon wrote:
Isn't this the first large-sensor compact with a zoom?
If I was a company whose credibility rested, other than nostalgia, 99.9% on lenses I would launch a new niche/market with a lame, slow-ass lens. *shrug*
Well, it's not really compact given the lens and, technically, I guess the Sony R1 beat them to it by like a Decade! Sony was able to give theirs an equivalent 24-120mm F2.8 - 4.8 Zeiss zoom. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1
I was kind of hoping for a new M-mount camera, seeing as I was looking into buying an M8 as an 'starter camera' but this is incredibly underwhelming, I just don't see the 'M' part in this variable zoom X2.
Also, do you guys think it is still a good option to buy a used M8?
HauntedHat wrote:
I was kind of hoping for a new M-mount camera, seeing as I was looking into buying an M8 as an 'starter camera' but this is incredibly underwhelming, I just don't see the 'M' part in this variable zoom X2.
Also, do you guys think it is still a good option to buy a used M8?
I think at the current pricing, the M8 is still a very good option for some. It performs incredibly well at lower ISO's but anything higher results in very poor performance. I really enjoyed the M8 but just be sure you research and are aware of it's limitations. It is a quirky camera but IMO it is worth looking at. If you can spring the extra $$, the M9 may be worth considering as well.
fail at all fronts