p.9 #1 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
anthonygh wrote:
Call me cynical...but CS6 is a pretty decent programme and I am wondering if Adobe realize they are close to the limits on what can be done with conventional imaging software...and realizing that a CS7 won't seem like a big deal to CS6 users (so fewer upgrades)...have decided on this ploy instead.
Reading posts on sites like this, I suspect LR4 has already made many CS users think hard about their need for more PShop upgrades.
Who cares? Then it's time for Adobe to make new products to replace old ones. Why should they expect to coast on a product made over 20 years ago?
Apple brought out the iPod and sold millions of them. Helped turn the company into a massive corporation, making billions more dollars. Did Apple rest on that and just coast? No. Apple killed the iPod with the iPhone and iPad. They made new products. They created a new market where one did not exist before. .
Imagine instead Apple instead of selling iPods "licensed" them to people for a monthly fee.
p.9 #2 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
BluesWest wrote:
Adobe's decision to force customers to their subscription services is an enormous opportunity for competitors. I hope one or more of them take that opportunity -- I'm ready to jump ship from Photoshop if the right product comes along.
John
I agree, remember when QuarkXPress got to the point where they felt
it wasn't necessary to upgrade on a regular basis, now it's gone by the wayside.
Photoshop updates at times are so insignificant that people would skip a version or two.
Now you have to pay a monthly fee... nope, count me out.
This is simply corporate greed.
p.9 #3 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
People are making very drastic criticisms toward this. Personally I have found Lightroom to have caught up to the needs of a postprocessing solution at near 100% of the work I do with photography. Lightroom will remain a boxed item, photographers will just shift to aperture if not.
Aside from that all of the firms i have worked for as a graphic designer supplied every version of Adobe Creative suite and I dont see why that would change, in fact they may be saving money now.
For the record, I don't mind the switch to subscriptions, I'd just want service from it. Sadly, customer service isn't the function that Adobe management optimizes for. The people who actually build the products, its a different story...
p.9 #5 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Jman13 wrote:
Wow, so Corel's subscription service and standalone is pretty much the exact ideal thing everyone in this thread wants from Adobe. Good on you Corel!
They should probably have kept quiet. In the words of Napolean Boneparte: "Never interrupt your enemy whilst he is making a mistake".
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p.9 #6 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
mikeassk wrote:
People are making very drastic criticisms toward this. Personally I have found Lightroom to have caught up to the needs of a postprocessing solution at near 100% of the work I do with photography. Lightroom will remain a boxed item, photographers will just shift to aperture if not.
Aside from that all of the firms i have worked for as a graphic designer supplied every version of Adobe Creative suite and I dont see why that would change, in fact they may be saving money now.
Since Adobe is turning itself into a rentier, it's just a matter of time for it to turn LR into a rental. Perhaps for now, they need to use it as a carrot to lure some into their trap.
p.9 #8 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Thanks for the link TDB. As I commented in the other thread of FM:
All this and no one has really discussed the CC user agreement from Adobe. Read through some of these from Lloyd but pay close attention to the chapter regarding them wanting your birthday. If the whole idea of renting your software for eternity wasn't enough, then these terms and conditions will seal the deal.
p.9 #11 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
mikeassk wrote:
People are making very drastic criticisms toward this. Personally I have found Lightroom to have caught up to the needs of a postprocessing solution at near 100% of the work I do with photography. Lightroom will remain a boxed item, photographers will just shift to aperture if not.
Aside from that all of the firms i have worked for as a graphic designer supplied every version of Adobe Creative suite and I dont see why that would change, in fact they may be saving money now.
Yeah, and when Lightroom disappears, you'll understand today why people are so upset.
p.9 #12 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
I wonder if the major camera manufacturers will use Adobe cloud as a perk when buying a new camera. They might include a code for 3 months (akin to satellite radio in new car sales) say and then its up to you to continue the subscription. This would allow users to have access to the software needed for new systems. Just an idea Canon, Nikon and whoever else might be listening.
Eric
p.9 #13 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
eyelaser wrote:
I wonder if the major camera manufacturers will use Adobe cloud as a perk when buying a new camera. They might include a code for 3 months (akin to satellite radio in new car sales) say and then its up to you to continue the subscription. This would allow users to have access to the software needed for new systems. Just an idea Canon, Nikon and whoever else might be listening.
Eric
A better idea would be for the camera manufacturers to invest in improving their own imaging software...either separately or in partnership.......particularly if customer reluctance to subscribe to Adobe effects their own sales of new products.
p.9 #14 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
anthonygh wrote:
A better idea would be for the camera manufacturers to invest in improving their own imaging software...either separately or in partnership.......particularly if customer reluctance to subscribe to Adobe effects their own sales of new products.
Maybe, it all comes down to dollars and cents. If the manufacturers do not want to invest in a platform as extensive as photoshop then partnering may be more cost effective. Unfortunately, these are business driven decisions not emotional ones. Yes, we can vote with our wallets but in the long run both Adobe and the camera manufacturers know that to use the latest and greatest we will have to use new software.
No business has to provide a product that is forever...I'm not sure other than because we WANT it we should expect it. But I do expect some tweaking on the part of Adobe over time...business models are fluid.
Eric
p.9 #15 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Peter Figen wrote:
Read through some of these from Lloyd but pay close attention to the chapter regarding them wanting your birthday.
Wanting your birthday isn't particularly malfeasant and nefarious, though it's easy to feel that way under the circumstances. With the additional features of Creative Cloud, they really, really need to have something on file that you're older than 13. And they'd also like to have something on file that you're over the age of majority, so you can't back out of your contract and lose them their tasty Early Termination Fee (which, despite all the warranted wailing and gnashing of teeth about the rest of the pricing, is actually quite reasonable and customer-friendly).
Despite Lloyd's admonishment that a checkbox would be sufficient, it is customary in the United States to request a date of birth for such purposes, and many lawyers (like the expensive ones Adobe employs) will tell you do just what they did.
Your date of birth is also a matter of public record, so Lloyd's identity theft argument is off-base.
I haven't decided which direction I'm going yet. I'm not a full time pro, and photography is a side-occupation for me which as with many, took a dive during the recession and is not a primary source of income for me (currently). I had upgraded to Photoshop CS5 when it came out and became suspicious when upgrade disks for CS6 were not sold in stores at all in my area (Atlanta). No one had them. One store said they got some and Adobe ordered them to be shipped back (?). I smelled fish on a radiator then, and now I know as everyone else does, why.
If the Adobe execs were that hard-up for larger bonus checks, they could simply have raised the upgrade price from $199 to $249 and required yearly updates to keep that pricing. It's not quite so much the subscription fees that irk me, it's the "subscribe or we shut it off" mentality, and as with any company, we don't know where Adobe might be 3, 5, or 10 years from now. When they go, all CS users "go", if they are under subscriptions and don't have physical DVDs to rely on.
I had strayed from Paint Shop Pro (PSP) some time ago when Corel took it over and I wasn't happy with their handling of the program, but really, my Topaz plugins work on PSP just the same as Photoshop, so I can see myself migrating back to PSP now and just not giving Adobe any more of my money. While the subscription format may work for SOME full time professionals, I and many others are not on that list, so it just doesn't make sense for us anymore. Sure, we could go to "Elements", but it's from the same company, and they were asking people in groups not long ago about how they'd feel about subscriptions for Elements as well... I simply would not trust how that program is going to go, either.
Microsoft is experimenting with this format with their Office suite. Intuit, which has the monopoly on Accounting software (Quickbooks), has been rumored to be thinking about it, too. Now that Adobe has played their cards, I wouldn't be surprised to see the software monopoly players try their hands as well.
p.9 #19 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Lotuselite wrote:
As of now, that will only work if you are using a Mac, otherwise that will be an expensive switch.
Am I correct in thinking that it is no longer possible to upgrade CS5 to CS6 other than subscribing to CC?
@Lotuselite: You can still upgrade from CS5 to CS6. Here's the link. I'm considering the update, and then hoping for a competitor in the next year or so that can import PSD files.
