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p.8 #1 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!


Stoffer wrote:
Well, it was just a question about time before some one would do it.

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Haha... mess with creative folks and watch the results



May 08, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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tived wrote:
You have always rented software, if you have paid for it! You have just paid in a lump sum payment. You have never own the software only the right to use it.

Henrik


As others have pointed out, this is rubbish (you pay to own a product, in this case compiled code). Using your argument one could say that anyone who buys a car never actually owns it, they're simply renting all the parts produced by the manufacturer and its suppliers, which is obviously silly. If you buy a book, are you simply renting the words created by the author? Or do you own a physical product that you can read wherever you want for as long as you want until it turns to dust?!

But even your statement hits on the key problem with Adobe's plan: "You have never own the software only the right to use it." With the old model the right to use the software once purchased (or rented, if you prefer) was perpetual, for ever. With the new Adobe model we only have the right to use the software if we keep paying.



May 08, 2013 at 02:13 PM
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Bingo it's not a good long term strategy and anyone that's taken marketing even at a basic level can tell you that sacrificing the long term health of the company for a short term gain,unless you are a fly by night operation, is never a wise move. Basically if you eliminate the kids coming up in the field from being able to learn with your products either through it being cost prohibitive or via draconian DRM you will be sacrificing a long term gain for what most wouldn't even consider a short term loss (in that the kids couldn't afford
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And people will be wary to trust them. What if CS8 is perpetual option again. Will people want to plunk down $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on it if they fear that in another 6-12 months they may go back to CC only again?

And what price will they charge people to come back on board to say CS8? Full list price to start all over again fresh?




May 08, 2013 at 02:18 PM
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And people will be wary to trust them. What if CS8 is perpetual option again...

Who said there would be a CS8? Surely one of the points of this exercise is that there is only CC from now on - why have version numbers when you have continuous updating?



May 08, 2013 at 02:24 PM
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Who said there would be a CS8? Surely one of the points of this exercise is that there is only CC from now on - why have version numbers when you have continuous updating?


My point was if they back track and do come out with CS8. It won't even be so easy by then even with that.



May 08, 2013 at 02:26 PM
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They have 6-12 months now to change their minds, but they can only backtrack as far as offering standalone and CC in parallel: Reverting CC users back to standalone licensing would be a logistical nightmare and would alienate en-masse the only people who actually like the new system - the 500,000 who signed up for it voluntarily. If they wait much longer than a year and backtrack it will go right up to the top of customer relations cockups.


May 08, 2013 at 02:38 PM
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IMO an option would be to simply offer a "buyout" license that would allow a subscriber to make a one-off payment (on a scale proportional to how long they've been subscribing) and receive some sort of unlock key to uncouple the software from the cloud permanently and allow its perpetual use.

I think the idea of continual cloud-based updates is one that is needed for all software, but I also think there needs to be a way to enable consumers to actually buy a license, even if that means no more updates.

The concept of product cycles for software made sense when software was distributed on physical CDs or DVDs, but in the era of instant downloads it's slightly anachronistic. I love, for example, how Chrome or Firefox constantly update themselves as bug fixes or new features become available and I've forgotten which version they're at now. If I had to pay a subscription for that service, however, I would also want to be able to one day say "OK, no more money to Google" safe in the knowledge that although I'd receive no more updates I'd also still be able to use whatever version of Chrome was last installed.



May 08, 2013 at 02:53 PM
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It's a short-sighted move on Adobe's part. It opens the door for smaller companies to develop alternative products that will strip market share. I look forward to seeing small software companies thriving against the giant.


May 08, 2013 at 04:06 PM
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If Adobe forces people to be "renters" instead of "buyers", turning their "perpetual licenses" into perpetual leases (with never ending monthly payments), I wonder if this will drive more users to piracy as you know they'll create a version without it phoning home.[/quote

aRRRRRRRR matee! I'm thinking you're on to something. And after the first yar at $10 a month, I may look into that.



May 08, 2013 at 04:09 PM
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There is no evidence that paying a monthly fee will get you any better software, or more regular updates. It is just a fee they are charging to make a steady stream of cash. Also possibly a way they can prevent piracy of Photoshop. People only pirate Photoshop because the pricing has always been so over-priced.

Photoshop is a series of tacked on features, not a planned out product. For example, birdge and ACR are tacked on add ons. Not even part of the base program. ACR's RAW processing is easily beaten by Canon DPP, or Apple Aperture. The photo-merge, and HDR features in Photoshop are sub-standard add ons. Even a low priced image stitching, or HDR program can beat it.

There is no evidence if people pay these monthly fees there will be any improvement in the quality of Adobe's bloatware.






May 08, 2013 at 04:09 PM
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They should've added the "cloud" service as an option for a while, instead of creating unnecessary bad press, confusion, and alienating loyal customers. Slowly, over the years, if the subscription service proves successful and customers get used to it, then they could start phasing out licenses to their software...


May 08, 2013 at 04:43 PM
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Abobe is raising the price of using its software (no matter how you parse it), now, and has plans to push the cost even higher, later, and also provide less service and new features. LR may now be "Cloudless" but you can be sure that, in time, LR will go to the cloud and even the limited legacy support for CS6' RAW converter will wither.

Adobe will lose the entry level user and even the less than casual user. They are eating their seed corn and in the process making their products less valuable for everybody. This is bad, even for willing CC subscribers, since the ultimate viability of Adobe, and their products, is in question. But we can expect that their, clueless, CEO will be relieved-although maybe too late to save PhotoShop and variants.




May 08, 2013 at 04:57 PM
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Corel has already issued a public statement regarding the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription-based model today!

Here's the link to the full CorelDraw.com blog statement:
http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/corel-is-all-about-giving-users-choice/

Note to Adobe: Your competitors are loving your move to Creative Cloud!!!!



May 08, 2013 at 05:16 PM
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Wow, so Corel's subscription service and standalone is pretty much the exact ideal thing everyone in this thread wants from Adobe. Good on you Corel!


May 08, 2013 at 05:25 PM
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tived wrote:
Guys,

Sell a couple of photos and pay your subscription. For those of us who make a living from using Creative Suite or Photoshop etc... its the cost of doing business, like the petrol price that keeps going up.

You are not going to say to a client that I am really sorry I can't take your photos because its too expensive to drive there, add it into your cost!

Most knucklehead photographers (Sorry if it offends) forget to charge for photo editing - its time = $$$, plus your cost of equipment over time.

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Henrik,

No one responded to your relatively rational though in my option incorrect analysis. (And I admit that quite likely I'm a knucklehead because I'm a long way from getting rich in this extremely poor region ) Yes software (and the hardware to run it) is part of the cost of doing business. So is the petrol to get there, the time invested not only in shooting but also processing, the time spent getting paid, doing the books, it keeps going. All of us small/independent ventures know this - or certainly learn it quickly.

There are two fundamental flaws, as I see it in your "real photographers pay up and shut up" response.

First, I lost control of my tools. PP software is just as important as the hardware that records the image. Think of a camera. What if Canikon only "rented" you the use of your camera? Every 30 days send them a check (that every single one of us know will go up year by year), and you can keep taking pictures. Stop paying, no pictures. More precisely they keep changing the camera slightly so that some point I can no longer create images in the same way I use to or would prefer to. Sure we'd adapt, we already do, but right now I can say well a 1DsII or a D2 gives me the best bang for my buck and I'm holding here cause I don't see that much difference in the photography that "I" do. Adobe has just taken that control away.

Second from a strictly accounting viewpoint I no longer can project what it's going to cost to do business. Sure, there are always unknowns, but with a purchased version of PP software, the cost is paid. It can be depreciated and as long as it continues to meet my needs I don't have to rebuy it. Yes, I upgrade and yes I know that Adobe raises its rates each time, but I had control over when I spent the money and to some extent how much I'd spend. Like many people I skipped a version or more because bluntly I either didn't have the capital or more likely couldn't see that it would increase productivity. The upgrade prorated over "my" timeline allowed me to control expenses. Now I won't know what this "service" will cost. I also have no clue what the tool will become. And then there's all that other "junk" that different professionals need but I don't. Here's a blunt claim. No one uses all of the so called "Creative Suite." If that is true, then why is everyone forced to buy it all? Yes I know Ps CC for $20@ month, but I also regularly use Ai so that's $40. Might as well pull the full freight.

I'm hanging fire here not sure what to do. I know hardware and OS upgrades will eventually push me out of any given piece of software. Is what I have now good enough, powerful enough to hold on for . . . how many years?

I don't think, at least for me, the business decision is a simple as you imply.

Robert



May 08, 2013 at 05:28 PM
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Delete. Posted 2x for some reason.

Edited on May 08, 2013 at 06:19 PM · View previous versions



May 08, 2013 at 05:29 PM
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Note to Adobe: Your competitors are loving your move to Creative Cloud!!!!


There was a time when Corel Photo Paint was seen as a legitimate competitor to Photoshop. It had most of the functionality but wasn't as polished or stable. Unfortunately, as they usually do, Corel seemed to lose focus and eventually abandoned the software when they bought out PaintShop Pro and Painter. Whether they've improved those apps or, more likely, ruined them I can't say since I don't use either. But there's no doubt that this is a great opportunity for someone to step up and deliver a PS killer. Apple and even Microsoft have been rumored to have such software in development. Could be vaporware... who knows?

Another school of thought is that Adobe's mode of image editing is outmoded and obsolete and that the future belongs to the node-based (vs. layer based) approach. Maybe it's time for a new paradigm altogether.




May 08, 2013 at 05:29 PM
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I've bought every PS/CS upgrade since PS 4.0 - about once every three years, cost about $190 each time or roughly $65 a year. Now I'm supposed to pay $240 a year (for this year, who knows what it will be next year or five years from now?) No thanks, I'll just hang onto my CS6 disc. It does everything I want to do. It might be different if I was a pro and could write off the extra cost but I'm not.




May 08, 2013 at 05:43 PM
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If Adobe forces people to be "renters" instead of "buyers", turning their "perpetual licenses" into perpetual leases (with never ending monthly payments), I wonder if this will drive more users to piracy as you know they'll create a version without it phoning home.[/quote

aRRRRRRRR matee! I'm thinking you're on to something. And after the first yar at $10 a month, I may look into that.



Hallelujah bro. I think I'll be on to something too.



May 08, 2013 at 10:26 PM
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Stoffer wrote:
Well, it was just a question about time before some one would do it.

" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Der Untergang / Creative Cloud


"I don't lease my f..ing Panzers!"

I love it!



May 08, 2013 at 11:01 PM
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