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Archive 2013 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!

  
 
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p.4 #1 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


skibum5 wrote:
swim through menus?

You are in M mode and set ISO100-whatever it goes to and it's not in AutoISO. You roll the ISO to down to A and it's in auto-ISO.




Okay, if you actually read the discussion, you'd know I'm not writing about my current camera. It is perfect as is. It is some fancy M design from the future with autoISO, EC, etc., we are debating. Nevertheless, when that mystical EOS finally arrives--somewhere over the rainbow--I'm hoping Canon continue the current M design and defaults and not clutter it with further menu surfing. If they create a fancier variant of M mode, I hope they give it a new name. I'm getting weary of repeating myself...



May 04, 2013 at 12:23 AM
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p.4 #2 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Ever shot a bird against a blue sky, or a over snow. The Auto ISO would result in 1-2 stop underexposed shots.


If I was I simply wouldn't use that mode.

Just because it exists doesn't mean I'd use it for everything, I'd use it if it were convenient and suitable at the time for a particular subject. The original thread was to say I didn't even know it was there.

As for this business about whether M mode is truly manual it's easy: if the ISO is on manual then yes, you are controlling the three variables yourself, if the ISO is set to Auto then no.



May 04, 2013 at 01:13 AM
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p.4 #3 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


So if canon would simply change M to something else that didnt say "manual" then a lot of the discussion would be moot, and all we would be discussing would be how we could use Ec in the newly labeled mode that was once M.

I think too many are getting hung up on one little letter on the dial and whats its legacy meaning was, but isn't any more.

We have been having these same discussions for years now, auto-iso has been implemented across many canon models now in varying versions (sometimes very crippled with a max of 400), and in the end we just end up thinking of ways to have ec for auto-iso when both dials are used for other settings.

Also, on the 1D4/1DX, using micro AE adjustment isn't very hard at all. If you configure your camera correctly, it is just 2 button presses, the you spin the dial to set your compensation. Just add it to My Menu, then hit Menu, then Set, and spin away.

Auto-ISO is a game changer for sports, at least for me. It has greatly reduced the post processing time where I missed the exposure. I set shutter to 1/1000, Av to 2/3 stop above wide-open, and auto-ISO. Now I just concentrate on the action instead of messing with changing the ISO all the time. Do I need a new mode on the dial? No, I just need a way to do EC when the ISO is set to auto. Having a new mode on the dial doesn't solve that issue, it just panders to the purists amongst us that don't like M not being full manual with no access to auto-ISO.

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So let's drive this thread back to the real topic of how we could have Ec when both dials are used for shutter and aperture, and leave out the jabbing about "M means manual, and if you use auto-ISO you are not manual any more". That really has no place in the discussion, because we could relabel M to be something else, or make a new mode on the dial, and we would be at the same basic issue again.

My suggestion is this. Add a new configuration option to the Set button (in addition to ISO, File Size, etc), that was EC. So if I set the Set button to EC, I would use Set then dial in all modes including M, to set the EC. It would time out like EC does in the other modes, and then put the dial back to whatever it controls, or I could hit Set again to lock in the EC and put the dial back.



May 04, 2013 at 06:02 AM
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p.4 #4 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


Gochugogi wrote:
Okay, if you actually read the discussion, you'd know I'm not writing about my current camera. It is perfect as is. It is some fancy M design from the future with autoISO, EC, etc., we are debating. Nevertheless, when that mystical EOS finally arrives--somewhere over the rainbow--I'm hoping Canon continue the current M design and defaults and not clutter it with further menu surfing. If they create a fancier variant of M mode, I hope they give it a new name. I'm getting weary of repeating myself...


Umm but the 5D3, a current camera already has that (other than EC not working).
And you 5D2 has AutoISO too (although when set in M mode it locks it to ISO400, weirdly enough) so even your current body already has the M and AutoISO thing.

Why do you need to add an extra dial spot and create confusion?

How bothersome can it be when you seemingly didn't even know you already had that 'mystical, over the rain-bow, future AutoISO M setting'?


Edited on May 04, 2013 at 01:33 PM · View previous versions



May 04, 2013 at 01:02 PM
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p.4 #5 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


I think if this thread had been titled "5D3 has Auto ISO in M, I never knew!" instead of "5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!" this thread wouldn't be on its 4th page now.

It might have ended with one post consisting of "RTFM!"



May 04, 2013 at 01:09 PM
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p.4 #6 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


TeamSpeed wrote:
My suggestion is this. Add a new configuration option to the Set button (in addition to ISO, File Size, etc), that was EC. So if I set the Set button to EC, I would use Set then dial in all modes including M, to set the EC. It would time out like EC does in the other modes, and then put the dial back to whatever it controls, or I could hit Set again to lock in the EC and put the dial back.


SET wouldn't be good because that is used for instant jump to 100% view and back on the newest bodies and that features is very useful (for sports too).

They could have it use whatever it was set to before entering AutoISO M, for starters, instead of ignoring that.

They could program one of the buttons to toggle the wheel or dial to control EC instead of aperture or shutter speed when in M and AutoISO is set.




May 04, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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p.4 #7 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


The concept ought to be...


    Green Box = auto adjust everything
    P = auto adjust T and A, ability to alter to an equivalent setting
    Av = manual select A and ISO, auto select T (with EC ability)
    Tv = manual select T and ISO, auto select Av (with EC ability)
    Ev = manual select A and T, auto select ISO (with EC ability)

    M = manual select everything


The highlighted modes would be "you pick TWO points of the exposure triangle, the camera picks ONE point of the exposure triangle, and you still have the ability to bias the metering as needed"

If Canon would have an Ev mode -- similar to what Pentax had done with its cameras -- which retains EC functionality, the need for an Auto ISO value in the ISO menu (and no EC capability to bias the meter based upon scene deviation from the norm which is expected), would be eliminated.



May 04, 2013 at 06:52 PM
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p.4 #8 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


Too restrictive... There are times you may only want to pick 1 factor to control and let the camera do the rest. Again, canon only needs to find a way to add ec if you switch iso to auto in M mode, and things would be great. We dont really need more dial modes to switch through, IMO.


May 05, 2013 at 05:21 AM
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p.4 #9 · 5D3 has auto exposure in M, I never knew!


TeamSpeed wrote:
Too restrictive... There are times you may only want to pick 1 factor to control and let the camera do the rest. Again, canon only needs to find a way to add ec if you switch iso to auto in M mode, and things would be great. We dont really need more dial modes to switch through, IMO.



You want the DWIM (Do What I Mean) control from the camera!
For example, if you had picked f/11 in overcast daylight for more DOF, and if the camera could present any one of the following possibilities without further input from you, which one would suit you best?!


  1. ISO100 1/50
  2. ISO400 1/200
  3. ISO1600 1/800
  4. ISO3200 1/1600


Did I mention that you are at an auto race in one situation, but shooting a landscape in the other? So you care about which ISO for noise, and which shutter speed for action stopping, right? So how is the camera to know what balance of the two you want?!?!?!

Now shoot in somewhat low light condition...with f/2.8 set on the lens for better light gathering as well as DOF control...

  1. ISO100 1/10
  2. ISO400 1/40
  3. ISO1600 1/160
  4. ISO3200 1/320


Did I mention that you are shooting running young children one situation, but shooting an infant asleep in the other? So you care about which which shutter speed for action stopping and about lower ISO for noise, right? So how is the camera to know what balance of the two you want?!?!?!

"Do what I mean!"..oh, Canon has that already...the GREEN BOX mode!



May 05, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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