p.9 #2 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Yeah, that doesn't really show hard use. Just a rather varied setup.
Now if you had thousands of files moving and being processed in various ways (per minute or per second) to and from each of those sub-systems then yeah... maybe. How you have your system setup (elaborate or simple) is different from system stress.
Depends if you count doing a very large compiling task while also exporting a big Final Cut export.
Funnily enough, the thing that really brings everything to a crawl is playing a 1080p flash video. Thank god those are on their way out.
p.9 #3 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
snowboarder wrote:
+100000
"Ignored" is a soft word to use here...
There are things which Apple could do to fix some issues and improve some every day tasks
they are simply denying to do. Like if they want to show us their middle finger... Really hard to understand...
A classic example is the quicktime gamma shift. It's been going on for years and would require
Apple to spend two pennies from their 100B cash to fix. And they don't want to...
Mac Pro is obviously another sign they don't give a sh#t about the pro market. Funny thing that is happening
when many major companies released their amazing software for Mac, like the brand new 2013 Autodesk Smoke
or DaVinci Resolve for Mac, etc.
Don't even start me on Shake or FCP... Or Color... The list goes on and on. Phenomenon...
Their operating system slowly turning into a silly joke...
Apple survived only thanks to the hard working creative professionals who supported the platform
over the years. Now they are getting an iPad as a "thank you and f@.. you"...
Yes greed it's all it is. To support FCP as a professional tool Apple would have to maintain tech support,
pay smart people to answer the phones. Instead, they can sell 10000 more iPhones. Easy choice, right? ...Show more →
You guys remind me of the "tech" experts on SNL last week.
First, I'm a computer consultant with about 150 "regular" clients, and have been dealing with both systems for a decade. Both companies often ignore the obvious--as do all huge corporations. But, as anyone who read the incredible piece in Vanity Fair this summer on MS's "lost decade", redmond is way beyond dysfunctional, insisting on reventing the GUI with every release. On the other hand Mountain Lion is a nice evolution--WAY more stable than win7 and subject to a fraction of the variables and vulnerabilities.
My own machines were all windows for many years, but now my main rig is OSX, and it's a major relief. Anyone impatient for a new pro has other powerful choices. My current ML rig has 32 gigs of ram.
The ipad 3 is a revolution in digital image viewing---yes the photo app is ridiculous, but for 5 bucks you get photo manager pro and don't look back. The windows 8 tablet 1366x768 is a joke by comparison.
Overall Windows 8 is yet another interface rework which will drive my people crazy--though I do hear at least it runs at nice speed on most win7 machines.
p.9 #4 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
uhoh7 wrote:
Nothing is perfect, but today I'll take apple.
This is what it comes down to.
People demonize and praise platforms like they're religions. As soon as Apple stops being the best solution for my needs, I'm excited for the next thing.
p.9 #6 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
uhoh7 wrote:
You guys remind me of the "tech" experts on SNL last week.
First, I'm a computer consultant with about 150 "regular" clients, and have been dealing with both systems for a decade. Both companies often ignore the obvious--as do all huge corporations. But, as anyone who read the incredible piece in Vanity Fair this summer on MS's "lost decade", redmond is way beyond dysfunctional, insisting on reventing the GUI with every release. On the other hand Mountain Lion is a nice evolution--WAY more stable than win7 and subject to a fraction of the variables and vulnerabilities.
My own machines were all windows for many years, but now my main rig is OSX, and it's a major relief. Anyone impatient for a new pro has other powerful choices. My current ML rig has 32 gigs of ram.
The ipad 3 is a revolution in digital image viewing---yes the photo app is ridiculous, but for 5 bucks you get photo manager pro and don't look back. The windows 8 tablet 1366x768 is a joke by comparison.
Overall Windows 8 is yet another interface rework which will drive my people crazy--though I do hear at least it runs at nice speed on most win7 machines.
That skit was the funniest thing I have seen on SNL for a while. Apple's current map situation with the iPhone though...that would have never happened under SJ...not that it really matters to me as I have enjoyed free and perfect turn by turn voice navigation for the past two years now on my original Nexus One.
IMO, a lot of the missteps/ blunders we are starting to see now at Apple (a lack of thorough testing on the software side of things in order to meet set in stone release dates for the OS for instance) are simply foreshadowing what's to come. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that but I have seen it get gradually worse with the OS since somewhere around the end of 10.4.
Sounds like you were not using Macs back in the golden era of it's OS.
p.9 #7 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
carstenw wrote:
Which DB files are you talking about; could you point me at one?
There's the .DS_Store in every single folder. When these go bad and they VERY often do there's a whole host of troubles it can cause - like not remembering the display states of folders or your desktop, or not displaying icons properly or at all.
There's .bom files for every single app install usually found in /Library/Receipts/. Each .bom file contains a list of files installed for an app by the installer along with the correct permissions for each and every file. These don't go bad so often but the actual permissions do and Apple seems unable or unwilling to scan those files and reset permissions as they should be according to the relative .bom files. They kinda try to do it with Apple software but nothing from them AFAIK will clean up your non-apple apps once the permissions get corrupted - and they do quite often!
There's ACLs (Access Control Lists) - when ACLs go bad you get problems like finder always asking you for your password even on folders and files it shouldn't - as just one example. ACLs go bad quite often! Lots and lots of troubles with them! Especially in later releases of OS X. They can just ruin a server installation!!
The "LaunchServices" DB is responsible for the link between documents of a given type and the application that gets executed. It also keeps a list of all installed and previously executed apps. You feed it everytime you open a new type of document and you modify it everytime you select a different default app to open a file or general file type with - in the "Get Info" panel. When it goes bad and it VERY often does, you start seeing duplicates in the "Open With" menus, you can get wrong or corrupt looking icons, it can keep associations with deleted applications, or simply execute the wrong app on a double click.
The DYLD (DYnamic LoDer) uses a sort of DB known as a shared cache in simpler terms, to load all the frameworks, dylibs, and bundles needed by a given application's process - system or other. This DB (shared catch) gets whacked all the time and can cause kernel panics on occasion! Mostly shite just stops working tho. This DB gets rebuilt during Apple's "Monthly Scripts" execution which happens once a month blind to the end user.
There's the MEI which is an indices for all the mail and mail folders on your system. It gets messed up pretty often too and can cause all kinds of troubles with mail reading, display, and searching. If you only have tens of thousands of messages on your system it either doesn't corrupt often or the affects of the corruption aren't obvious. Using and managing hundreds of thousands of messages over multiple accounts however and the instability becomes both obvious and extremely annoying! In the worst cases you can lose whole message bases. I have! :P
There's a Help system DB that's responsible for connecting help lookups with the associated app. This goes corrupt a lot. When it goes you get messages stating "There is no help for this topic." when actually there is. Or you can get really really slow look-ups, and I've even seen system crashes from this. Don't ask me how tho... <shrug>
And this is just the short list of just one particular weakness in OS X which I thought was the most obvious to end users. I certainly haven't met anyone who hasn't experienced at least one of these problems. And they've not only been happening from the beginning but they've gotten progressively worse and worse with every release. To the casual user they're often little more than an annoyance. They can be a major headache for a workstation user depending on the machine to do actual job related work. And they can be critical in the survival or death of a server installation!
p.9 #8 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Lol who uses help! The problems you're describing aren't what I would call common. In my line of work, I come into contact with a lot of creative professionals and there's a lot to complain about macs but besides the dstore showing up annoyingly on samba shares, nobody has big problems with it. If that's your big problem, that's extremely minor.
Lots of stupid stuff happened under SJ, remember no picture messaging or antenna gate?
p.9 #9 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Maybe Apple should! hehehe...
Seriously tho, most of these should never get corrupted in the first place. It's just weak!
Still not as bad as Window's Registry tree file(s) but at least MS as shown improvement in that area... whereas Apple has just gotten progressive worst - and I believe they've never actually even looked into trying to clean up these troubles. Sad!
PS: "no picture messaging or antenna gate" ? ? ? No, what's that?
Also yes, creative professionals do not often mention these kinds of troubles. Their job somewhat depends on them being very capable with their computers as well as maintaining up and ready systems! (Especially freelancers!) But go watch in the support forums where they log in under "help-me" aliases and you'll see quite another picture emerge!
p.9 #10 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Bif, I used to run Applejack in single user mode every so often to fix a few of the issues you mentioned above. It will still sort of work in Lion but the program has not been updated in a long time. Just curious what utilities you use to fix some of the issues you mentioned with current versions of OS X.
p.9 #12 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
I think people also seemed to have forgotten how mind blowingly slow 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 were.
How the hinges on the titanium G4 were near worthless, how incredibly asinine it was to upgrade the G4 Powerbook and all of them up until the Unibody.... etc. How incredibly uncompetitive all Macs were until the Intel transition.
The current state of macs is the best it's been in a very long time.
p.9 #13 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
I use bash. I'm so old-school! Heh!
There are some automated utilities that I see others using tho. Onyx is one - and I think there's a Mountain Lion version of it. There are several others as well. There's some sets of shell scripts floating around as well under various names. AppleJacks rings a bell. I think I used it once back on 10.4 maybe. In conjunction with cloning a boot volume over to a RAID set IIRC.
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think people also seemed to have forgotten how mind blowingly slow 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 were.
How the hinges on the titanium G4 were near worthless, how incredibly asinine it was to upgrade the G4 Powerbook and all of them up until the Unibody.... etc. How incredibly uncompetitive all Macs were until the Intel transition.
The current state of macs is the best it's been in a very long time.
That's why I said it's been going downhill since 10.4 or so. 10.4 and most of 10.5 was really when they were at their best! Everything worked, everything was rock solid! (comparatively). The complaint department and support forums were full of questions like "what's the best way to rename 1000 files", "how do I install the 5th and 6th HDD in the intel MacPro", or "I just upgraded my CPUs to get 8 cores instead of 4 and is 40° C normal?"... Compare 10.7.5 to 10.5.5 and it's OMG time... Bad, bad bad! Now the forums are all about xxx is broked, help unusable mac, how do I fix this shite... and etc.
p.9 #14 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think people also seemed to have forgotten how mind blowingly slow 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 were.
How the hinges on the titanium G4 were near worthless, how incredibly asinine it was to upgrade the G4 Powerbook and all of them up until the Unibody.... etc. How incredibly uncompetitive all Macs were until the Intel transition.
The current state of macs is the best it's been in a very long time.
For myself, I was not willing to leave Mac OS 9 until I absolutely had to since you are right - OS X was really rough for a while in the beginning. Even now, printing is nowhere near as refined as it was in Mac Classic OS (which I used until Apple forced me out of it!).
Yes, there were issues and hiccups here and there but things seemed to improve with every update of hardware or software - not regress (though it took OS X a while to get it's sea legs imo).
p.9 #15 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Bifurcator wrote:
I use bash. I'm so old-school! Heh!
There are some automated utilities that I see others using tho. Onyx is one - and I think there's a Mountain Lion version of it. There are several others as well. There's some sets of shell scripts floating around as well under various names. AppleJacks rings a bell. I think I used it once back on 10.4 maybe. In conjunction with cloning a boot volume over to a RAID set IIRC.
Thanks. I will give Onyx another try sometime. I once used it somewhere way back as well!
p.9 #16 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think people also seemed to have forgotten how mind blowingly slow 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 were.
How the hinges on the titanium G4 were near worthless, how incredibly asinine it was to upgrade the G4 Powerbook and all of them up until the Unibody.... etc. How incredibly uncompetitive all Macs were until the Intel transition.
The current state of macs is the best it's been in a very long time.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
For myself, I was not willing to leave Mac OS 9 until I absolutely had to since you are right - OS X was really rough for a while in the beginning. Even now, printing is nowhere near as refined as it was in Mac Classic OS (which I used until Apple forced me out of it!).
Yes, there were issues and hiccups here and there but things seemed to improve with every update of hardware or software - not regress (though it took OS X a while to get it's sea legs imo).
Same here... I had a mac or two with OS X on it for the first several versions but those machines had nothing to do with work! Just looking at Apple's progress mostly. When they released the intel machines the OS was ready for work tho! And you're right about the print and font support in classic OS! Networking sucked eggs tho! :P
p.9 #17 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Bifurcator wrote:
That's why I said it's been going downhill since 10.4 or so. 10.4 and most of 10.5 was really when they were at their best! Everything worked, everything was rock solid! (comparatively). The complaint department and support forums were full of questions like "what's the best way to rename 1000 files", "how do I install the 5th and 6th HDD in the intel MacPro", or "I just upgraded my CPUs to get 8 cores instead of 4 and is 40° C normal?"... Compare 10.7.5 to 10.5.5 and it's OMG time... Bad, bad bad! Now the forums are all about xxx is broked, help unusable mac, how do I fix this shite... and etc.
I've used OS X since 10.0 and I don't recall this golden age you speak of. Forum complaints are not a particularly scientific way of proving anything. Over the same timeframe, the Mac user base has increased leaps and bounds, and the use of online forums to seek help has likewise. Personally, I haven't seen any serious issues with Macs in years. As good as 10.0-10.4 were, I can't say that I didn't personally run into occasional serious issues.
p.9 #18 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Actually, 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 were shite. 10.3 started getting good and the peak was 10.4 and 10.5. Around 10.4 days I managed to convert loads of people to Macs at the office. Now I don't do that any more. I would feel guilty. They are still good machines, but the list of things to improve just grows and grows. I want to write a personal letter to Tim Cook asking what the hell is up.
p.9 #20 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
AhamB wrote:
Wasn't "Antenna gate" a pun on the Watergate scandal because SJ tried to downplay the antenna problem by saying people were holding the phone wrong?
Yes, a comparison to the actual press conference where Steve Job's denied there was anything wrong with the iPhone 4's antenna to the infamous "I am not a crook" public Nixon denial after Watergate. A bit silly really and it sort of harks back to that SNL skit mentioned earlier. Apple did loose a class action lawsuit over the Antenna issue though most people likely were not eligible for the $15 payout as they had already taken advantage of the free bumper case Apple offered earlier to prevent the "death grip".
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Bad, bad bad! Now the forums are all about xxx is broked, help unusable mac, how do I fix this shite... and etc.