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jzucker wrote:
Yes, I'm running it on a similar system for *EDITING*. I'm talking about using the tablet to take out to customer sites for interactive cropping, slideshows, etc.

Why is this forum so full of snide remarks?


I would never show customers something running so poorly on Atom processors. Lightroom needs serious CPU power as well as RAM, otherwise it runs dog slow. A MacBook Pro or MacBook Air would run rings around any tablet.




Oct 09, 2012 at 08:24 PM
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p.3 #2 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


Apparently the only intelligent responses are the ones that agree with the OP

The pro tablet is not really much smaller than a MacBook Air, the latter is likely much more suitable for running Lightroom.



Oct 09, 2012 at 08:36 PM
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p.3 #3 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


itai195 wrote:
Apparently the only intelligent responses are the ones that agree with the OP

The pro tablet is not really much smaller than a MacBook Air, the latter is likely much more suitable for running Lightroom.


no, the intelligent responses are ones that don't have the words hilarious, ridiculous or the other various and sundry chest-pounding/pwning/sarcastic tones that this forum is unfortunately famous for. Well thought out ideas are welcome but sarcastic and snotty replies belong on facebook or dpreview



Oct 09, 2012 at 09:27 PM
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p.3 #4 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


jzucker wrote:
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for an intelligent response without posturing, chest-beating or pwning. The issue with the windows 8 pro tablets may be in system memory. I'm thinking you will need at least 4gb of memory to do justice to LR. So far the 3rd party windows 8 tablets are being sold with a max of 2gb of memory.


Are these tablets running an x86 processor with Windows 8 like the pro, or an ARM processor and windows RT?



Oct 09, 2012 at 09:55 PM
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p.3 #5 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


yes, the ones I've seen previews of are all running x86 processors. The ARM versions will not be able to run windows 7 apps.


Oct 09, 2012 at 10:26 PM
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p.3 #6 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


Looks like the windows 8 netbooks will be sporting i5 or i7 processors. That will be the way to go i think. Lenovo Yoga for example. I'm assuming that'll be upgradeable to 8-16gb of memory, 128-256gb SSD


Oct 10, 2012 at 07:17 AM
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p.3 #7 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


So much anger, you must be delightful in person.


Oct 10, 2012 at 07:24 AM
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p.3 #8 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


Get a Sony VAIO Duo 11! I'm not just saying that because I work for them.
I was truly blown away by the speed (i7, 8GB RAM and SSD) and the 256-level digitizer included with the tab-top or lablet? works wonders in PS.



Oct 10, 2012 at 07:28 AM
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p.3 #9 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


thrice wrote:
Get a Sony VAIO Duo 11! I'm not just saying that because I work for them.
I was truly blown away by the speed (i7, 8GB RAM and SSD) and the 256-level digitizer included with the tab-top or lablet? works wonders in PS.


looks very interesting. What is the digitizer though?



Oct 10, 2012 at 07:37 AM
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It's a digital pen...
Before capacitive touch-screens, all tablets/PDAs used them. This one recognises many levels of pressure, like a wacom tablet does. Allows you to write/paints/edit realistically varying response based on pressure.



Oct 10, 2012 at 08:10 AM
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thrice wrote:
It's a digital pen...
Before capacitive touch-screens, all tablets/PDAs used them. This one recognises many levels of pressure, like a wacom tablet does. Allows you to write/paints/edit realistically varying response based on pressure.


wow, cool - so it might actually be a cool tool to use for editing - though it would need more than 8gb for that...



Oct 10, 2012 at 08:25 AM
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thrice wrote:
It's a digital pen...
Before capacitive touch-screens, all tablets/PDAs used them. This one recognises many levels of pressure, like a wacom tablet does. Allows you to write/paints/edit realistically varying response based on pressure.


does it recognize 1024 levels of pressure like wacom?



Oct 10, 2012 at 08:42 AM
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jzucker wrote:
And the key will be that it can run windows software such as lightroom and has a standard usb and hdmi port, runs flash, etc. no limits.

The ipad hardware is great but the platform, not so great for my use.

carstenw wrote:
I guess you will need a mouse and a keyboard then, to do any kind of efficient work with Lightroom. And if you want to develop, you will need serious power too, which means greater weight and a serious battery. I don't see how this can possibly end up well It will be a laptop with an external keyboard in the end.


I've plugged a keyboard, mouse, 3TB HDD, and game controller into my Galaxy phones and it all just worked without a hitch (wireless devices work just as well too!). And that's running android not really even tuned for such things.


I think Apple realised early that trying to make tablets as powerful as laptops is a losing proposition. I would be curious to see if Microsoft can find some way to pull it off, but I am skeptical.

I think 75% of it is expectation. I don't expect much from a freak'n telephone and therefore I'm flabbergasted at it's performance!

In the same breath however I think anyone wanting to edit photos on anything but the most powerful desktops and notebooks had ought to consider ditching tools like Aperture and LightRoom. They're dogs in the first place - coded to take advantage of fast multicore procs with lots and lots of system recourses instead of the coders actually having to think and streamline their function code! Ya better go with a tool that was specifically written with that platform in mind (tiny touch-screen, 1.5 dual or quad core, memory bank switching with low local-buss RAM profiles, and so on! I can almost guarantee none of the current major players will yield worthy in the foreseeable future. So you're better off ditching LR, Aperture, C1, LS and the like.

And on that note I have to say I'm impressed as hell with the little (barely multi-functional) apps available for the Android system. 8-12mpx seems perfectly doable on either my 1.56GHz dual core GN or my quad-core S3. Warps, Color Correction, Content Aware element removal, Sharpening and micro-contrast boosting, Exposure Comps, Scaling, Copping, Rotating, Perspective corrections, even FX like soft-focus and so... All seem to operate at about the same speeds (probably due to my lower expectations!) as they do on my monster 8-core 2.66GHz MacPro with 32 gigs RAM and nearly 20TB of high-speed RAID storage. While I wouldn't wanna invasively process hundreds of images on the phones they're plenty good enough for light edits all around, or for a few field edits to show proof of concept on-site for whatever reasons.


jzucker wrote:
again, i'm not interested in editing. All I want to do is interactively allow my clients to pick the prints they want. This sometimes involves minor tweaks such as cropping or adjusting exposure. I don't use the notebook for real editing but I do download the cropping adjustments to my desktop when I'm back in the office. Actually doing the editing on the tablet doesn't really help me much since it's not the raw files that are on the tablet/notebook...


Then yeah, I would say a tablet (either Android or Win8 IMO) is really the way to go! Either a tablet or one of those laptops that let you transform them into a tablet form factor. For multiple people looking on and making selections the tablet form can't be beat - well not until holography comes into fruition more-so anyway.



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Oct 10, 2012 at 09:20 AM
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jzucker wrote:
does it recognize 1024 levels of pressure like wacom?


He said 256 in an earlier post.
W8 tablets look interesting, but I would not stick something like Lightroom on them.



Oct 10, 2012 at 09:29 AM
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pingflood wrote:
He said 256 in an earlier post.
W8 tablets look interesting, but I would not stick something like Lightroom on them.


The W8 netbooks like like a great compromise though. And will work for editing in a pinch.What remains to be seen is how compatible they will be with windows 7 software.



Oct 10, 2012 at 12:11 PM
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thrice wrote:
Get a Sony VAIO Duo 11! I'm not just saying that because I work for them.
I was truly blown away by the speed (i7, 8GB RAM and SSD) and the 256-level digitizer included with the tab-top or lablet? works wonders in PS.


It looks nice, but I bet the price is around $1300-$1400. Sony Tablet



Oct 10, 2012 at 12:39 PM
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p.3 #17 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


Dustin Gent wrote:
It looks nice, but I bet the price is around $1300-$1400. Sony Tablet


I'd guess more than that. I believe the acer netbook is in that price range. Sony's probably going to be $300 more.




Oct 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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Bifurcator wrote:
I've plugged a keyboard, mouse, 3TB HDD, and game controller into my Galaxy phones and it all just worked without a hitch (wireless devices work just as well too!). And that's running android not really even tuned for such things.


Having loads of fun, eh? Proof of concept or production pipeline?

And on that note I have to say I'm impressed as hell with the little (barely multi-functional) apps available for the Android system. 8-12mpx seems perfectly doable on either my 1.56GHz dual core GN or my quad-core S3. Warps, Color Correction, Content Aware element removal, Sharpening and micro-contrast boosting, Exposure Comps, Scaling, Copping, Rotating, Perspective corrections, even FX like soft-focus and so...

I actually added a Nexus-7 to my iPad, liking the form-factor and getting a good rebate through my workplace. Do you have any editing/gallery apps to recommend?



Oct 10, 2012 at 02:11 PM
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why should a tablet's funtionalities limit at viewing web, playing little apps but not editing, running programs just as your laptop, or as an input monitor?? are you letting manufactures (apple) dictate your expectation and the way how you could use a devices?

innovations are killed by those thoughts and acceptances. Shame on you if you're one of them. Cant wait till MS tablet can do.



Oct 10, 2012 at 02:46 PM
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p.3 #20 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet


jzucker wrote:
Yes, I'm running it on a similar system for *EDITING*. I'm talking about using the tablet to take out to customer sites for interactive cropping, slideshows, etc.

Why is this forum so full of snide remarks?


The iPad is perfect for what you are talking about. Displaying images on the iPad is one of it's strong points.



Oct 10, 2012 at 03:12 PM
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