p.12 #1 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
jzucker wrote:
After looking at microsoft's initial windows 8 (RT) offering, I have to admit my confidence of the platform succeeding have taken a hit. Their initial offering seems very poorly conceived. I can't imagine for the life of me who would buy it. The best hope for windows 8 may be the x86 hardware vendors support for it.
I am not sure. Microsoft has been trying to push x86 tablets for some time now, with no success. They are somehow too heavy and too awkward to use as tablets, and the desktop Windows OS has not yet been adapted successfully to a tablet.
But there is no reason to despair yet, unless you are in a hurry. Microsoft often gets it right on the third try.
p.12 #2 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
carstenw wrote:
Imagine all the things you do with the mouse on a real computer, and then imagine those same tasks with the fat end of a finger. Accuracy will be very hard, at which point a whole bunch of adjustments become undesirable. General slider tweaks, sure, but not a full workflow with local adjustments.
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I never use my finger. Have you seen the art created on ipads with a stylus? It's the mouse that's limited IMHO.
I have about ten different styli--just in a quest to have the nice ones available for clients.
p.12 #3 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Bifurcator wrote:
I'm trying something kinda weird this time around. The MacPro box is stuffed with multiple RAID0 software arrays and the system boots off an external USB/firewire drive cradle.
alwang wrote:
If I were to do something like that, I'd install an eSATA port on my box, and use that for the cradle. More reliable than USB or Firewire for a boot drive.
Bifurcator wrote:
I'm trying something kinda weird this time around. The MacPro box is stuffed with multiple RAID0 software arrays and the system boots off an external USB/firewire drive cradle.
Tomser wrote:
Careful with those things, I've had a few and they were not entirely reliable, to say the least .
p.12 #4 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
lou f wrote:
i dont think the 8 intel tablet battery life is going to alow you to get much done before it shuts down, i think you may be best served by an ultrabook on a 11'' mba runing windows if osx isnt to your liking. turning up to a clinent and asking for the power socket is pretty piss poor.
There are PowerBacks for Android phones and tablets which are essentially just clip-on hot batteries. There's not such for iPad and the alike?
I draw on the iPad, but haven't found my way around it yet, properly. I do not use a brush, and in real life, I use pencils. Maybe the brush can be simulated better than a pencil. I have two styli and have tried about five. Maybe one day I will find one with the right feel for me, but so far I have had no luck, even with ones rated quite highly on The Verve.
p.12 #6 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
jzucker wrote:
Come on....Does nobody have any imagination?!? After windows 8 rolls out, adobe will release a touch enabled version. In addition to the tablets, windows 8 desktops, laptops and netbooks are coming out and supporting touch screens.
Adobe will support touch in their applications. Just think about the fact that adobe supports Wacom tablets and I expect the number of windows 8 installations to be at least 1000X more prevalent.
carstenw wrote:
While it is a possibility for Lightroom, I am skeptical. Imagine all the things you do with the mouse on a real computer, and then imagine those same tasks with the fat end of a finger. Accuracy will be very hard,
Yeah, but that's ignoring touch pens. If Abode and others really port over to the tablet devices I just naturally assume the devices with pen capability will be the devices of choice for those using such apps. For sure a finger ain't gonna cut it! Editing with my Wacom on the other hand is a real joy and the pen for my Galaxy Note is good enough for app control of just about any kind.
As for processing speed I dunno about iOS devices but the Galaxy Note II and my S3 for example have quad-core processors running at around 1.5Ghz. That's fast enough for RAW editing and about the same as middle of the road laptops (which are the most common I think).
p.12 #7 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
As far as Tablets and Windows 8, the Pro version of the Surface with an intel I5 will be much more interesting - though, as mentioned, there are already a few full blown Windows tablets out there. Where I see Windows 8 possibly getting traction with the average consumer are with the new Ultrabooks with touchscreens (many of them sport really nice IPS displays) built in. I'm very curious when - and if- Apple might releases a Touchscreen Macbook Air or the like - hopefully with an IPS screen.
p.12 #11 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
rattymouse wrote:
Zune?
The graphics and basic structure of the OS on Zune looks like it was the beginning of the more modern Windows Phone OS as well as Metro in Windows 8. I think that device may have been very important for MS in many ways (as an Apple user, it was the first time I was impressed by a MS device for it's user interface, graphics and so on)...but I'm certainly not a Windows expert.
p.12 #12 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Microsoft couldn't crack the phone nor the early tablet interface. Just like google, they had to wait for apple to crack it first then copy and evolve it. By cracking it I of course mean get massive consumer adoption not necessarily first to market which is a meaningless metric.
Microsofts other big market is the Xbox, they had to wait for Sony to figure out how to best Nintendo then copy that model and do it better.
I think it's very easy for people to forget what a humongous risk it was for apple to release the iPhone 1. Everyone bagged on it for having just 1 button. Everyone was calling them crazy stupid idiots for releasing a phone that just had a single button and relied entirely on a touch screen.
They were entering a market where blackberry and T9 reigned supreme.
p.12 #13 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Couple notes:
Sony never copied Nintendo. They in fact designed a CD unit for the Super Nintendo and got screwed over by Nintendo over the release (Nintendo killed the product just before launch, and Sony had funded most of the development) at which time they added the small necessary changes to turn it into the PlayStation. The XBox's origins are quite similar, but without the conflict. Microsoft was quite heavily involved in the development of the Sega Dreamcast and the original XBox is little more than the Dreamcast 2, Microsoft took the basics of the Dreamcast design and evolved it when Sega decided to get out of the console business. The relationship is quite obvious if you compare an original XBox controller (the big one) to a Dreamcast controller, or by simply comparing the games libraries, much of the XBox livrary initially were sequels to Dreamcast games, most notably in the Dead or Alive, Soul Calibur and Metropolis Street Race/Project Gotham franchises.
And yes, Apple did take a major risk with the iPhone. Less so with the iPad since they had 20 years of unsuccessful Microsoft design work to consider when coming up with the iPad, as well as a successful touch UI. But one thing to consider is that Microsoft remains the only company to come up with a usable touch UI that doesn't borrow heavily from iOS with Metro. Android and WebOS all owe a significant debt in design to iOS for its successful adaptation of the Newton and PalmOS UI's to a touch environment (and yes, iOS does borrow heavily from Newton and PalmOS in terms of layout, even if iOS did come up with the first successful way to use that layout with touch devices).
p.12 #14 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Tariq Gibran wrote:
The graphics and basic structure of the OS on Zune looks like it was the beginning of the more modern Windows Phone OS as well as Metro in Windows 8. I think that device may have been very important for MS in many ways (as an Apple user, it was the first time I was impressed by a MS device for it's user interface, graphics and so on)...but I'm certainly not a Windows expert.
Indeed, Zune was a major influence on the Metro interface, along with the XBox Dashboard, between the two you can see how Metro evolved into its current form, even if that arrived with Windows Phone 7. Zune was also a mild sales success for Microsoft, it was iTMS that really limited its success, not the hardware.
p.12 #16 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
rattymouse wrote:
Zune?
Bob? There is a reason I wrote "often"
Apart from that, the Zune MP3 player was actually a really nice device, it just didn't really beat the iPod touch in any compelling way. I am certain that Microsoft didn't just throw away the software underlying the platform.
p.12 #17 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
mawz wrote:
Indeed, Zune was a major influence on the Metro interface, along with the XBox Dashboard, between the two you can see how Metro evolved into its current form, even if that arrived with Windows Phone 7. Zune was also a mild sales success for Microsoft, it was iTMS that really limited its success, not the hardware.
Not once did I ever see a Zune out in the wild. Not even one single time.
p.12 #18 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
FlyPenFly wrote:
Microsofts other big market is the Xbox, they had to wait for Sony to figure out how to best Nintendo then copy that model and do it better.
Microsoft didn't succeed by copying Sony and doing it better. The Xbox's success was primarily due to Microsoft innovating around console-based online gaming, and Sony and Nintendo being slow to respond.
