p.95 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Now I have gone through all my RX1 photos with white/bright edges. Some of them do have a cast, but it's very minor (especially compared to mortyb's), so I have decided to keep my RX1. To say it's my dream camera is to exaggerate (since there are things that could be improved), but it's the closest so far.
mortyb, the strange corner on my bench shot is caused by unevenness in the snow casting a shadow.
p.95 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
alundeb wrote:
In Lloyd Chambers' review, the pumpkin series, I can see the color cast (yellow cast in center) clearly, when i know what to look for. He hasn't noticed it (yet).
wayne seltzer wrote:
The pumpkin shot on the blog has a pumpkin on the lowerccorner which has a yellow patch in center but the one in the right lower corner does not. I think is not due to color cast.
I have not seen yet any color casts with my copy yet. Let me know if you see any in my shots posted in RX1 image thread.
Don't you see that the table is yellowish between the pumkins, and that the grass right above the table is yellowish in the center and blueish at the edges?
p.95 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
carstenw wrote:
Well, VAT helps pay for our social system, which I am all for. However, beyond that some companies still have a large-ish markup which cannot be explained by shipping or market size. The EU has more people than the US. It is well known that Americans are much more price-sensitive, and when prices cross certain boundaries, the sales fall off a cliff. In Europe we are much less price sensitive and are willing to pay more for a quality product. The manufacturers take advantage of that. I try to avoid manufacturers which gouge us like this, but it isn't always possible.
In this case, there is just no excuse, Sony is pricing opportunistically here, and I refuse to buy one at this price. If I do end up buying one, which is still very uncertain, it will be used, for less than 2000 Euro, i.e. in quite a while. Unlikely....Show more →
I would not buy this camera even at $2800. The lack of a viewfinder is really off putting to me.
I'm still amazed at the expense of stuff in Europe. I swear I dont know how people afford things. In the UK salaries are generally lower than what they would be in the US (that's my experience) but yet the prices are MUCH higher. Prices of just about EVERYTHING, not just camera gear. Amazing.
p.95 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
carstenw wrote:
In this case, there is just no excuse, Sony is pricing opportunistically here, and I refuse to buy one at this price.
Also note they disable 30fps video for you and 25fps for the Americans, presumably to discourage you from importing one from the US. I imagine Europe is like Australia in that any TV made in the last decade, including every flat screen, has full 30fps support anyway, as well as 30fps often being more desirable for uploading to the net, so they come across as cluelessly blowing their own feet off while trying to rob the stagecoach.
Unfortunately we in Australia are collateral damage in this.
p.95 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
I love when all the Europeans complain about high prices and high taxes
and keep electing the moronic socialist governments and paying for the useless
morons in Brussels sitting and doing nothing... except raising taxes.
Just shut up and enjoy your free health care.
I hate to chime in to politicise the thread. A working class father with a seriously sick child stands a chance here in Europe (at least for now, things unfortunately are changing rapidly). Even if he has to pay 4000$ for the RX1. Geez, talk about priorities in life man....
And since I popped in: Do I like the RX1? YES. Would I like having one? YES. But I seriously think my Nex7 is much, much better value. I applaud Sony for the brave move, this camera is a breakthrough..even if itīs not exactly what I would really want, (throw in a good EVF and a flip screen and , oh boy, that would be a completely different story).
p.95 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
In Russia, the average salary is much lower than in the U.S. and most EU countries (about $760 a month), but the price is like in Europe (about $4000).
Only a few percent of the population can buy such expensive things.
p.95 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
After all this doom and gloom, I have to say I love the RX-1! So far, the few pictures taken have given me that relaxed yet detailed quality that I get from the D700.
The EVF is actually a surprise; I like the EVF from the NEX-7, not perfect but I think it's very good. But the RX-1 EVF is fantastic! Really a big improvement, and with the tilt angle and the big default rubber cup I have to say it's the most comfortable "viewing while taking photos" I've ever done (this includes M6, D700, NEX-6 with the add-on EVF, and the NEX-7). Before I was a bit bummed-out about the lack of built-in EVF, but now I see the EVF on the NEX-7 as already outdated and not as comfy. Maybe having it built-in with the optional add-on for tilt would be good.
p.95 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
tulaev wrote:
In Russia, the average salary is much lower than in the U.S. and most EU countries (about $760 a month), but the price is like in Europe (about $4000).
Only a few percent of the population can buy such expensive things.
p.95 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
rattymouse wrote:
I would not buy this camera even at $2800. The lack of a viewfinder is really off putting to me.
I'm still amazed at the expense of stuff in Europe. I swear I dont know how people afford things. In the UK salaries are generally lower than what they would be in the US (that's my experience) but yet the prices are MUCH higher. Prices of just about EVERYTHING, not just camera gear. Amazing.
Well, there is one camera brand selling in the EU at about 15-20% cheaper pre-VAT (at least for some lenses) than in the USA.... Leica (surprise, surprise), which is great for anyone visiting and able to get a VAT refund on purchases, assuming you can find stock of what you're looking for.
p.95 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
briantho wrote:
I think you guys are being optimistic on the return policies. The box the camera comes in is sealed with a Sony sticker. Once this is broken you can't return the camera, because it's then unsellable. Would you buy an unsealed camera? It usually says on the receipt that returns are valid for unopened goods only.
If the camera is faulty, you can turn it in for repair of course, but you'll be without it for weeks.
That's my exprrience with other electronics such as mobile phones anyway. Otherwise I'd just buy every new camera and lens, shoot for a week and then return it....Show more →
" Otherwise I'd just buy every new camera and lens, shoot for a week and then return it"
Yes you could - if you use different firms, but most people order a thing to keep it, and you also have the trouble with packing, driving to the post office, find a parking place, stand and waiting.
I bought a new A3 + printer, There was an intermittent error, and therefore I spent a lot of ink to see if the problem disappeared, including race one color out, but I finally had to admit that there was an intermittent fault, so I returned without problems within the 14 days we have in Denmark
- I described the error when I returned it , so it was thus below the point at which Makten / Martin described = Not what I expected when I ordered.
p.95 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
briantho wrote:
I think you guys are being optimistic on the return policies. The box the camera comes in is sealed with a Sony sticker. Once this is broken you can't return the camera, because it's then unsellable. Would you buy an unsealed camera? It usually says on the receipt that returns are valid for unopened goods only.
If the camera is faulty, you can turn it in for repair of course, but you'll be without it for weeks.
That's my exprrience with other electronics such as mobile phones anyway. Otherwise I'd just buy every new camera and lens, shoot for a week and then return it....Show more →
" Otherwise I'd just buy every new camera and lens, shoot for a week and then return it"
Yes you could - if you use different firms (if you used the same they would stop dealing with you), but most people order a thing to keep it, and you also have the trouble with packing, driving to the post office, find a parking place, stand and waiting.
I bought a new A3 + printer, There was an intermittent error, and therefore I spent a lot of ink to see if the problem disappeared, including race one color out, but I finally had to admit that there was an intermittent fault, so I returned without problems within the 14 days we have in Denmark
- I described the error when I returned it , so it was thus below the point at which Makten / Martin described = "it differs in any respect from what you should have been able to assume".(Google translated from Maktens words)
But in Denmark you have to do in within 14 days, otherwise it will be repaired.
p.95 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
carstenw wrote:
This is where programs like Capture One, which are aimed at pros, have a distinct advantage over consumer oriented programs like Lightroom. A white shading exposure can be added to fix this automatically. Medium format sensors have this problem too, especially with very wide angle lenses.
I use CaptureOne, but never needed this feature, so I forgotten where to do it and how it works. Can you help me with a hint? Do I need a white shading exposure in the same light used for the capture? in that case, it would not cooperate well with how the camera most often is used (not studio)
Now at C1 pro 7, with RX1 support, I am able to try this out. If anybody wants me to do something with their RAW files, PM me and I will arrange for a file transfer.
I downloaded the white resolution chart from imaging resource, and that one also has yellow cast in the center.
Helena: You mentioned problems with white balance adjustment in daylight. Could that be related to the color cast somehow? Like if it never gets right for the whole image?
p.95 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
rattymouse wrote:
I'm still amazed at the expense of stuff in Europe. I swear I dont know how people afford things. In the UK salaries are generally lower than what they would be in the US (that's my experience) but yet the prices are MUCH higher. Prices of just about EVERYTHING, not just camera gear. Amazing.
I am guessing that a lot of the cost of living which our social systems pay for are simply extra expenses in yours, such as health insurance, unemployment insurance, etc. In other words, the cost of living is less different than it looks, it is just packaging.
p.95 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
On top of the VAT of 25%, Sweden (and Norway) in addition has the world's highest taxes. Free healthcare? There is no such thing.
As I said earlier, the VAT isn't the reason for the price difference, as other cameras like the NEX-7 is cheaper in EU than US.
I would never buy the RX1 for $4000 in EU, I think people who do so are crazy. If I really wanted the camera, I'd use the $1200 difference to get a flight to New York, buy the camera there for $2800 and enjoy a few days of "free" vacation. As for getting it through customs on the way home... I'd mail the empty box to my own address, and just take the camera in my hand luggage. Who doesn't have a camera in the hand luggage?
p.95 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Photon-hunter wrote:
I hate to chime in to politicise the thread. A working class father with a seriously sick child stands a chance here in Europe (at least for now, things unfortunately are changing rapidly). Even if he has to pay 4000$ for the RX1. Geez, talk about priorities in life man....
As I understand it, it is more complicated than that. The rich have enough money, of course, the poor are often covered in some way. The problem is middle-class self-employed people, or middle-class people in small companies without health plans. The coverage fees are extremely high, so many people simply don't have insurance. One serious illness is enough to force you to take out a mortgage or dig into your savings. This is what the social security net gives us in Europe, and what Obama is trying to do in the States.
Anyway, we should probably try to converge on the RX1 again Sony appears to be gouging Europe and Australia for some reason, effectively subsidising the prices in the States. It makes me very unhappy, and reminds me that Sony is not a photographic company, but an electronics super-conglomerate with different units and different strategies in different parts of the world. I hope the day never comes when Sony catches up with Canon and Nikon, simply because I don't think it would be good for the consumers.
p.95 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
I love when all the Europeans complain about high prices and high taxes
and keep electing the moronic socialist governments and paying for the useless
morons in Brussels sitting and doing nothing... except raising taxes.
Just shut up and enjoy your free health care.
And I love when americans don't know what they are talking about.
Income per household in the US:
Income per person in Sweden:
The gray columns are adjusted for how much we consume of the social security system, infrastructure and everything else that we paid for with taxes. You can see that the peak (edit: which, because of the gauss shape, should be close to the median) lies around 230 000 SEK, which with todays dollar rate is $34 000. Per person, not per household.
p.95 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
alundeb wrote:
I use CaptureOne, but never needed this feature, so I forgotten where to do it and how it works. Can you help me with a hint? Do I need a white shading exposure in the same light used for the capture? in that case, it would not cooperate well with how the camera most often is used (not studio)
Puh, good question. I haven't used C1 in ages now. Actually, I suddenly think I recall some of the high-end features of Capture One are reserved for either digital backs, or just their own digital backs? Your best bet would be to ask over on getdpi.com, they have a very high proportion of C1 users, or possibly on LL. For some reason almost everyone here uses LR or ACR.
p.95 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
alundeb wrote:
Is there a fix easy enough to live with for permanent use?
Since I use CS5 and an older ACR that doesn't support the ARW files, I have to convert them to DNG. And then I can as well run them through Cornerfix, so I'll try that.
p.95 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
carstenw wrote:
Puh, good question. I haven't used C1 in ages now. Actually, I suddenly think I recall some of the high-end features of Capture One are reserved for either digital backs, or just their own digital backs? Your best bet would be to ask over on getdpi.com, they have a very high proportion of C1 users, or possibly on LL. For some reason almost everyone here uses LR or ACR.
I found it
It is now under "Lens Correction". One click to create a profile for color cast correction.
