p.94 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
mortyb wrote:
The night scenes have some kind of artificial lightning, no idea what. Normal street lights type. No doubt kind of torture for any digital camera. So I'm not super worried about those results themselves. But what I saw there, made me look closer at the daylight shots I made earlier today. And not only did I see the same color cast (much less of course) but also the stuff in the right upper and lower corners. I also agree the daylight shots are somewhat underexposed, but not that much. The first daylight shot has +1.3 EC.
If this had been a $500 P'n'S, I couldn't care less. I also understand no camera or lens is is 100 % perfect. But for this kind of camera with a $4000 price tag, it is not acceptable to me. I expect better results....Show more →
p.94 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
We must be lucky in the US, B&H Photo has it listed for $2,798.00. I guess some of our European friends should come for a visit, stay for awhile on vacation (use the saved money for the trip) and bring the camera back with you if you can get it back through customs without declaring it.
p.94 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I love when all the Europeans complain about high prices and high taxes
and keep electing the moronic socialist governments and paying for the useless
morons in Brussels sitting and doing nothing... except raising taxes.
Just shut up and enjoy your free health care.
p.94 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
I love when all the Europeans complain about high prices and high taxes
and keep electing the moronic socialist governments and paying for the useless
morons in Brussels sitting and doing nothing... except raising taxes.
Just shut up and enjoy your free health care.
The difference is not all taxes and duties. US is a massive market, volume gets the discounts.
But even if it was all taxes and duties I'd still take the free health care over cheaper cameras, thanks.
p.94 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I thought one of our European contributors mentioned up-thread that introductory prices tend to be higher with pricing trending towards equalizing with U.S. prices over time. That said Sony seems more predatory in their pricing over there.
p.94 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
alundeb wrote:
In Lloyd Chambers' review, the pumpkin series, I can see the color cast (yellow cast in center) clearly, when i know what to look for. He hasn't noticed it (yet).
The pumpkin shot on the blog has a pumpkin on the lowerccorner which has a yellow patch in center but the one in the right lower corner does not. I think is not due to color cast.
I have not seen yet any color casts with my copy yet. Let me know if you see any in my shots posted in RX1 image thread.
Martin, how badly is your lens decentered? Did not see it in your shots.
p.94 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Just for a little bit of balance, the RX1 is listed at $2999 here in Australia. For once, we're not getting absolutely screwed, although the Australian dollar is still $1.04 against the greenback, last time I looked. I'm sure they'd blame the discrepancy on higher labour costs, as they always do.
p.94 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Simon, here in Canada Sony even has a FAQ on price differences between CA and US: Why are the prices on Sony.ca website higher than the prices on Sony.com?
Our prices are not used to compete against the American pricing; particularly the retail costs listed on our website, nor are they based on exchange rates. Our prices are based on the costs that we incur in Canada, including many factors that differ from Sony U.S, and others which are totally out of our control. We are in no way trying to over charge our customers, nor are we trying to lose customers because they perceive our prices to be inconsistent in North America. We truly hope that you believe that we are doing the best we can to satisfy our customers. Please understand that it is not our company that demands you pay higher prices, it is the result of the Canadian marketplace in general....Show more →
Extended warranties cost more up here too.
Sony's FAQ doesn't explain why some other brands have largely identical costs between Canada and the U.S. For example MRSP for the Nikon D600 body only is currently the same in both countries, notwithstanding special offers and bundles which come up more often in the larger U.S. market.
Our labour costs might be higher but our healthcare costs are lower. ;-)
p.94 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
SimonBl wrote:
Just for a little bit of balance, the RX1 is listed at $2999 here in Australia. For once, we're not getting absolutely screwed, although the Australian dollar is still $1.04 against the greenback, last time I looked. I'm sure they'd blame the discrepancy on higher labour costs, as they always do.
Don't forget the high rent
but seriously, they usually blame the discounts usa gets because of volume
Which makes *some* sense.
PS aud/usd fluctuations don't have a huge impact on big importers, they usually hedge FX for the whole year.
p.94 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Spyro P. wrote:
The difference is not all taxes and duties. US is a massive market, volume gets the discounts.
But even if it was all taxes and duties I'd still take the free health care over cheaper cameras, thanks.
Health care isn't free. Anywhere. Someone is paying for it.
p.94 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
rattymouse wrote:
Wow....I stand corrected. What an absolute rip off in Europe. I'm speechless at the mark up there.
Well, VAT helps pay for our social system, which I am all for. However, beyond that some companies still have a large-ish markup which cannot be explained by shipping or market size. The EU has more people than the US. It is well known that Americans are much more price-sensitive, and when prices cross certain boundaries, the sales fall off a cliff. In Europe we are much less price sensitive and are willing to pay more for a quality product. The manufacturers take advantage of that. I try to avoid manufacturers which gouge us like this, but it isn't always possible.
In this case, there is just no excuse, Sony is pricing opportunistically here, and I refuse to buy one at this price. If I do end up buying one, which is still very uncertain, it will be used, for less than 2000 Euro, i.e. in quite a while. Unlikely.
