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p.10 #1 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


freaklikeme wrote:
The comment on the bolg, to which I think Jae is referring, was specific to wides and normals.


And why should it be any different when FL is shortened?

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Sep 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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p.10 #2 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Fingers crossed for a 16/2.


Sep 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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p.10 #3 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Yakim Peled wrote:
And why should it be any different when FL is shortened?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


It may have something to do with the finer movements necessary to stabilize an UWA. Probably best to ask the author of the blog.



Sep 18, 2012 at 01:09 PM
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p.10 #4 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


freaklikeme wrote:
It may have something to do with the finer movements necessary to stabilize an UWA. Probably best to ask the author of the blog.


Probably so, but it may have an agenda. For example, other makers like Tamron with the 24-70/2.8 VC and Nikon with the 16-35/4 VR may give different answers.

Happy shooting,
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Sep 18, 2012 at 01:43 PM
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p.10 #5 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Yakim Peled wrote:
Probably so, but it may have an agenda. For example, other makers like Tamron with the 24-70/2.8 VC and Nikon with the 16-35/4 VR may give different answers.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


they don't say that you can't make good lenses with stabilization, they just said they want to focus on maximizing image quality so they didn't include it. you guys are reading to much into this. adding image stabilization means adding another set of constraints to lens design, so for any given price point a lens designed with stabilization will have inferior image quality to one without. a more complex and expensive design is needed to reach the same level of optical quality. since wide angle lenses tend to be more complex designs the amount of price difference is almost certainly greater for equal stabilized versus unstabilized lenses.



Sep 18, 2012 at 03:25 PM
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p.10 #6 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Lens OIS makes lenses inherently more prone to image degradation from additional air glass interfaces. You also have parts inside the lens actually moving and more prone to decentering, etc. It becomes inherently more likely to get further image quality degradation from parking errors and mobile elements getting knocked out of alignment.

Do the lenses have image stabilization?

No, those three lenses we mentioned do not come with image stabilization. With short focal lengths image stabilization is not only not necessary – stabilization of lens elements can impair the imaging performance of the lens. Thus we decided for quality reasons to develop the lenses without image stabilization



Sep 18, 2012 at 03:29 PM
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p.10 #7 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


sebboh wrote:
you guys are reading to much into this.


I resent that implication. A pox of hangnails on you too.



Sep 18, 2012 at 03:51 PM
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p.10 #8 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Well, I think I am going to sell the last of my Leica lenses...


Sep 18, 2012 at 04:07 PM
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p.10 #9 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


freaklikeme wrote:
I resent that implication. A pox of hangnails on you too.


it's ok brad, i think you read exactly the right amount into it.

i'm trimming my nails as i type just to be safe.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:08 PM
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p.10 #10 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


sebboh wrote:
it's ok brad, i think you read exactly the right amount into it.

i'm trimming my nails as i type just to be safe.


Oh, so patronizing.

Is there a safe way to trim your nails and type?



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:16 PM
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p.10 #11 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Really, really interested in the 12/2.8. If it performs just as well as the VC 15/4.5, stopped down, I'll be in super wide heaven. Heavily controlled distortion may be asking for too much though. I would have taken a slower lens if it meant the lens complexity allowed for more distortion control. Its distortion characteristics remain to be revealed though.

I also hope they render like the ZM line instead of the Sony Alpha line. As great as the Sony Alpha's are I like the cooler, and stronger contrast from the ZM lenses.

Edited on Sep 18, 2012 at 04:36 PM · View previous versions



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:27 PM
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p.10 #12 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


freaklikeme wrote:
Oh, so patronizing.

Is there a safe way to trim your nails and type?


i just dictate to a minion.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:35 PM
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p.10 #13 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


I'm with Sebboh, wish the 12 was somewhere in the 14-16 range. The 32/1.8 should make a nice normal, the 50 macro is potentially the most interesting to me. Wonder if it'll be a planar design...


Sep 18, 2012 at 04:37 PM
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p.10 #14 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


bluetsunami wrote:
I also hope they render like the ZM line instead of the Sony Alpha line. As great as the Sony Alpha's are I like the cooler, and stronger contrast from the ZM lenses.


That's odd, I always considered my ZAs to be cooler than my ZMs. My ZMs seemed pretty warm.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:38 PM
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p.10 #15 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Jacob D wrote:
I'm with Sebboh, wish the 12 was somewhere in the 14-16 range. The 32/1.8 should make a nice normal, the 50 macro is potentially the most interesting to me. Wonder if it'll be a planar design...


Don't know about the 50, but the 32/1.8 says it is a planar on the front.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:38 PM
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p.10 #16 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


In Zeiss' blog about the new mirrorless system camera lenses, that have the following question and answer:

What type of material do you use for the lenses?

We use different types of glass.



Do they have a sense of humor or what? Who says the Germans aren't funny?




Sep 18, 2012 at 04:39 PM
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p.10 #17 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


douglasf13 wrote:
That's odd, I always considered my ZAs to be cooler than my ZMs. My ZMs seemed pretty warm.


Hmmm, I haven't used any ZA's first hand but my impression from samples I've seen is all of them have a sort of Minolta warmth. But I definitely could be wrong.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:40 PM
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p.10 #18 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


bluetsunami wrote:
Hmmm, I haven't used any ZA's first hand but my impression from samples I've seen is all of them have a sort of Minolta warmth. But I definitely could be wrong.


Yeah, I found my ZA 85 to be on the cool to neutral side, for Zeiss. Minolta really hasn't maintained much of a consistent color balance since the 90s, although they manage longer than Canon and Nikon.

I'll be happy if these new Zeiss lenses are either ZM or ZA-like, to be honest.



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:53 PM
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p.10 #19 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


The 24-70 Zeiss ZA is very saturated and high in contrast.


Sep 18, 2012 at 04:55 PM
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p.10 #20 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Lotusm50 wrote:
In Zeiss' blog about the new mirrorless system camera lenses, that have the following question and answer:


Do they have a sense of humor or what? Who says the Germans aren't funny?



i thought these were new all glass lenses where they replaced the metal and polycarbinate parts with glass. glass mount, glass shell, glass focus ring...



Sep 18, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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