p.9 #1 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
dcains wrote:
Not only will I never want video in one of my cameras, but I have to wonder if the technology required for video actually degrades my still images? I couldn't be more pleased to pick up my 1Ds2 or 1D2n and hold the viewfinder up to my right eye.
It has enhanced your still photography. Pick up a camera with live view and ask someone who uses tilt-shift or MF lenses a lot. No chance that some extra firmware and a button have degraded your still photos.
p.9 #2 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Right, interesting that normal opinion like this causing some irritation from video lovers. They want us to love what they like! It cost nothing and we must love it ...
That is a totally fine opinion. You'll notice they don't say anywhere that video in dslr shouldn't exist or that they wish theirs didn't have it. Just simply saying they don't use it.
Problem is when people say 'video is bad' 'video has ruined the purity of my still camera' 'why do I have to pay for a feature I don't use' 'video is taking features away from still photos like IS in new lenses'
I don't use any of the image quality settings, mRAW or sRAW or different JPEG settings, i should be able to get a camera without those features. They take up space, cause issues with accidentally switching settings and surely cost money to develop that should have been used to give me a nice 400 5.6 with IS.
p.9 #4 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
jctriguy wrote:
It has enhanced you still photography. Pickup a camera with live view and ask someone who uses tilt-shift or MF lenses a lot. No chance that some extra firmware and a button have degraded you still photos.
Funny, my 1D3 did liveview with no video in sight. I don't hate video, I just have zero need for it on a DSLR. I've got a HD camcorder which is fine for my video requirements. I answered the question posed in the OP, video in a DSLR is not important to me at all. None of the spin offs are important to me either. Of course I recognise that it is important to others but I'm not answering the question on their behalf.
p.9 #5 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
harrygilbert wrote:
Useless to me, when I can pick up a decent video cam inexpensively that has AF even when zooming. And the ergonomics are much better than trying to video with a DSLR.
I totally agree with you about the ergonomics, but coming from a film and video background, I just want to let you know that your use of "decent" would be better of replaced by "cheap....for family videos." Any consumer video camera is to a professional rig as a p&s is to a dslr. You would be hard pressed to make anything resembling a professional video on any video camera that costs less than one good camera lens.
Try finding an f1.4 24mm video camera. or a 15mm fisheye. or 50mm 1.2. And then compare the price to the same rig on a dslr. Most professional rigs do not have af anyway. Yes, the ergonomics are bad on a dslr, but for literally one tenth the price, you can get something that resembles professional quality film making gear. Or at least something that will give you enough control over your DOF to fool 99% of the population.
Basically, the converse to your statement is the professional videographer saying, "Those dslrs are useless to me. I can pick up a cheap p&s that covers 28-300 and is smaller with better ergonomics for those times when I want to take pictures of my cat. I only care about maximum image quality and creative control in my videos anyway."
I don't mean to be rude here, or attack you in any way. Just want people to realize the potential that that useless feature has. Of course you can take your videos easily with a standard consumer camera, and the ease and speed of use certainly makes it the weapon of choice for everyday stuff. But there is a whole world of creativity to be had in a feature that you already own.
p.9 #6 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Joseph Garcin wrote:
I totally agree with you about the ergonomics, but coming from a film and video background, I just want to let you know that your use of "decent" would be better of replaced by "cheap....for family videos." Any consumer video camera is to a professional rig as a p&s is to a dslr. You would be hard pressed to make anything resembling a professional video on any video camera that costs less than one good camera lens.
Try finding an f1.4 24mm video camera. or a 15mm fisheye. or 50mm 1.2. And then compare the price to the same rig on a dslr. Most professional rigs do not have af anyway. Yes, the ergonomics are bad on a dslr, but for literally one tenth the price, you can get something that resembles professional quality film making gear. Or at least something that will give you enough control over your DOF to fool 99% of the population.
Basically, the converse to your statement is the professional videographer saying, "Those dslrs are useless to me. I can pick up a cheap p&s that covers 28-300 and is smaller with better ergonomics for those times when I want to take pictures of my cat. I only care about maximum image quality and creative control in my videos anyway."
I don't mean to be rude here, or attack you in any way. Just want people to realize the potential that that useless feature has. Of course you can take your videos easily with a standard consumer camera, and the ease and speed of use certainly makes it the weapon of choice for everyday stuff. But there is a whole world of creativity to be had in a feature that you already own.
Spot on. The analogy of the P&S that covers 28-300 compared to DSLR is a good one. While the video offered in the current DSLRs is not 'perfect' for everyone, there's no comparing it to a camcorder.
This argument about video in DSLRs is sounding a lot like the one from thirty years ago when many photographers claimed they would never trust or use a camera that needed a battery. Or even as recent as ten years ago when some claimed that digital will never be able to replace film for serious photography.
Video is here to stay, and if anything it's keeping the cost down on DSLRs by expanding the market outside of traditional users. I'll bet anyone a bag of donuts that in another ten years time the form factor of the traditional DSLR will be replaced by something entirely different.
p.9 #7 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Danpbphoto wrote:
Never want, never use in a DSLR. It is an added cost I don't need.
Is it an added cost or possibly a reduction in price due to selling bucket loads of cameras to video photographers who would not have purchased the camera without the video features.
p.9 #8 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Danpbphoto wrote:
Never want, never use in a DSLR. It is an added cost I don't need.
chez wrote:
Is it an added cost or possibly a reduction in price due to selling bucket loads of cameras to video photographers who would not have purchased the camera without the video features.
I agree that this may be one of the reason we have DSLRs with all those "unnecessary" features.
Videographers added to the mix should lower per unit cost in cameras as well as lenses.
It also might be more cost-effective to build a camera that meets many users needs than to build multiple or custom cameras for individuals with specific wants.
Each generation of DSLR has new features added that many people won't use. But relative to the previous generation the cost hasn't risen (except in the case of the 5D3 which includes large upgrade). This should tell us that the added features like video really isn't that expensive to implement.
p.9 #9 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
I wonder how many people here use LV regularly and then complain about the added cost of Video. And how many compared the DSLR video to camcorders?
Landscape shooters and Alt lens users, let's complain to Canon about the added cost of state-of-the-art AF simply because you don't need the greatest AF for Landscape or your MF lenses, right?
p.9 #10 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
n0b0 wrote:
I wonder how many muppets here use LV regularly and then complain about the added cost of Video. And how many tools compared the DSLR video to camcorders?
Landscape shooters and Alt lens users, let's complain to Canon about the added cost of state-of-the-art AF simply because you don't need the greatest AF for Landscape or your MF lenses, right?
Right on, man! We have plenty of time to MF. And how come they are always going on about high ISO - we waterfall shooters want lower and lower ISOs - Canon's choices like totally suck. When I hit the LV button I have to be really really careful not to accidentally record it - that would like mess up my camera real bad if any video got in
p.9 #11 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
n0b0 wrote:
I wonder how many people here use LV regularly and then complain about the added cost of Video. And how many compared the DSLR video to camcorders?
Landscape shooters and Alt lens users, let's complain to Canon about the added cost of state-of-the-art AF simply because you don't need the greatest AF for Landscape or your MF lenses, right?
Why would anyone take AF - very much related to the photography option and compare It usability to the unrelated and useless to many as you might read video option? I would take direct print button as better example in this case.
p.9 #12 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Why would anyone take AF - very much related to the photography option and compare It usability to the unrelated and useless to many as you might read video option? I would take direct print button as better example in this case.
Ah, but you need to read my post a bit more carefully. I said Landscape shooters and Alt lens users. Unless the landscape shooter also likes to shoot BIF or fast action, I'd say the AF found in the 7D is more than enough for him/her since s/he would probably use MF almost exclusively for Landscape. It's the same with Alternative lens users.
Let's face it, this thread is not really about what features are related to photography, it's more about what people want in their camera. If they feel they don't need it, then they don't want it. In this context, my analogy fits perfectly.
But if you want to talk about how video is related to photography, let's talk about the one fact that people keep ignoring. The fact that Live View is a VIDEO technology. Canon simply extends that technology to allow the users to record the video.
To completely take Video out of DSLR means to have no Live View. You think Landscape shooters are gonna be happy about that?
p.9 #13 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
n0b0 wrote:
Ah, but you need to read my post a bit more carefully. I said Landscape shooters and Alt lens users. Unless the landscape shooter also likes to shoot BIF or fast action, I'd say the AF found in the 7D is more than enough for him/her since s/he would probably use MF almost exclusively for Landscape. It's the same with Alternative lens users.
Let's face it, this thread is not really about what features are related to photography, it's more about what people want in their camera. If they feel they don't need it, then they don't want it. In this context, my analogy fits perfectly.
But if you want to talk about how video is related to photography, let's talk about the one fact that people keep ignoring. The fact that Live View is a VIDEO technology. Canon simply extends that technology to allow the users to record the video.
To completely take Video out of DSLR means to have no Live View. You think Landscape shooters are gonna be happy about that? ...Show more →
So, are you saying there is no way to have LV without video? I think LV is very usefull in compare to video and if no other way let it stay. To me it is another print button
p.9 #14 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
So, are you saying there is no way to have LV without video? I think LV is very usefull in compare to video and if no other way let it stay. To me it is another print button
Please don't tell me that you have only just realized that watching the LiveView screen is the same as watching the video and all the video record button does is record it !!!!!!
OK it is a bit processed when you see it on the LCD, but LiveView is LiveVideo.
p.9 #15 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
AJSJones wrote:
Please don't tell me that you have only just realized that watching the LiveView screen is the same as watching the video and all the video record button does is record it !!!!!!
OK it is a bit processed when you see it on the LCD, but LiveView is LiveVideo.
No interest to video recording and editing causing such effects
p.9 #16 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Don't do anything for me personally. The overpriced 5D3 is overpriced relative to the competition which has video as well and it decidedly cheaper (and better spec'd). The price of these cameras has been benchmarked and I don't think it has anything to do with the video. I'm buying a 5D3 after Photokina, the video mode, like the AI Servo mode for that matter, will be a feature I never use. I had a read through the manual on friday, heck, half of the features on that camera I will never use, it's one heck of a fully featured body. 1Dx in a cheaper dress. If it wasn't for the D800 benchmarking what the price should have been, I would still be amazed at how fully featured it was for the price compared to yesteryear.
p.9 #17 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
So, are you saying there is no way to have LV without video? I think LV is very usefull in compare to video and if no other way let it stay. To me it is another print button
Yeap. It also answers the question in the title of this thread. How important is video in a DSLR to you? VERY, if you use LV.
It would have a different answer if the question is about how important video recording is to you. But either way, recording capability is simply an extension of LV, just like ISO25600/51200/102400. You might or might not ever use them but they're still nice to have "just in case".
I think people finally understand now, since there's no more silly replies.
p.9 #18 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
I love having the option of video on my 5D MKIII. I like to photograph insects, but if I find one doing something interesting I'll switch to video. I've gotten some great stuff that way.
And as Joseph Garcin points out above, you'll never get this kind of quality from any consumer video camera. I've shot video with a 300mm F4 L lens and 2x converter, focusing manually of course, and the quality is stunning.
p.9 #19 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
n0b0 wrote:
Yeap. It also answers the question in the title of this thread. How important is video in a DSLR to you? VERY, if you use LV.
It would have a different answer if the question is about how important video recording is to you. But either way, recording capability is simply an extension of LV, just like ISO25600/51200/102400. You might or might not ever use them but they're still nice to have "just in case".
I think people finally understand now, since there's no more silly replies.
Why video lovers are so senstive? We are not making decisions here and noone from Canon are reading these threads. It is just an opinion and as you might read NO video is much more popular SLR option. Again just some opinion after video got into SLR to stay forever...
p.9 #20 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Why video lovers are so senstive? We are not making decisions here and noone from Canon are reading these threads. It is just an opinion and as you might read NO video is much more popular SLR option. Again just some opinion after video got into SLR to stay forever...
Not sensitive, just low tolerance for illogical "opinions". Especially when those "opinions" totally ignored the facts provided not only once or twice but several times.
- "I don't need video in my DSLR"
- "Don't you use LV?"
- "Yeah, and?"
- "That's video technology"
- "Oh... I still don't want video in my DSLR"
- "But it's just extra lines of codes in the firmware, extra menu and button, and it doesn't affect your still photography at all"
- "I just don't want video in my DSLR. It's my opinion and you don't have to like it or agree with it"
- "....."
Oh well, if that's what you want... You can't have it anyway.
