p.8 #1 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
one after another or same time who cares? we are waiting for IS inside 24-70L for example or some good firmware options. Instead we are getting updates for video no one cares about. that is why I said instead.
You're missing the point. You are assuming we are not getting IS in a lens (or any other feature 'you' want) because we are getting something for video. I'm suggesting (as are numerous others) that these things happen in different departments at their own speed. If they had IS for a 24-70 they would add it, it has nothing to do with updating a video feature.
p.8 #2 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
I don't think we are anti of video, we just don't think it is something we would like to do or take. If you are dancing tango you will not exactly would like to dance disco too Besides photographers for years are asking for many other important for us items and instead we are getting video ....
Change those " we" into "I" and then you have an honest post. There are huge numbers of people who like to dance all kinds of dances.
There are huge numbers of people who appreciate the high quality video one can achieve with a DSLR like the 5D series - especially at their pricepoints. I am very glad they developed LiveView, as are many people who use tripods or who have experience with large format cameras and who are switching to digital. The fact that it took very little additional work to allow the recording of the "stream of photographs" as a video is a nice bonus for some - it didn't take away much from the other efforts that Canon decided were important for their market. You may as well gripe about Canon (or the others) spending time on cameras that are not DSLRs instead of your "fill in the blank wishlist of what is important for us (I think you mean "me" again!)".
p.8 #4 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
AJSJones wrote:
Change those " we" into "I" and then you have an honest post. There are huge numbers of people who like to dance all kinds of dances.
There are huge numbers of people who appreciate the high quality video one can achieve with a DSLR like the 5D series - especially at their pricepoints. I am very glad they developed LiveView, as are many people who use tripods or who have experience with large format cameras and who are switching to digital. The fact that it took very little additional work to allow the recording of the "stream of photographs" as a video is a nice bonus for some - it didn't take away much from the other efforts that Canon decided were important for their market. You may as well gripe about Canon (or the others) spending time on cameras that are not DSLRs instead of your "fill in the blank wishlist of what is important for us (I think you mean "me" again!)"....Show more →
Lets vote in poll and check results, it is very simple.
p.8 #5 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
jctriguy wrote:
. I'm suggesting (as are numerous others) that these things happen in different departments at their own speed.
Why wouldn't this magical another department improve camcorders and sale to include better photo abilities in camcorders? I don't care if video exist or not exist in my slr. I prefer not, same as direct print or automatic mode's etc in my SLR. I don't like to dance disco just because someone likes it, I got into tango club and will dance tango only
p.8 #6 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Frankly I think the whole video DSLR thing caught Canon by surprise, or there would've been tons of hype at the beginning. I think some engineer at Canon saw live view and realized the same technology could record high quality video. They had no clue the movie industy would go koo koo over the video feature and that it would open doors for a lot of other photographers.
Once Vincent Laforet did his "worlds longest perfume commercial" all sorts of people decided to take notice.
OTOH IS in lenses is something that is thought about by the marketing people, one day IS will be in the bodies and I hope that there ain't much complaining...
p.8 #7 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Lets vote in poll and check results, it is very simple.
Yes, but let's put that poll into a video forum also...not strictly a still photography geared forum. There are many video photographers buying 5D2/3 just for the video...and they probably don't want the still features of the camera.
p.8 #8 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Why wouldn't this magical another department improve camcorders and sale to include better photo abilities in camcorders? I don't care if video exist or not exist in my slr. I prefer not, same as direct print or fully automatic mode etc in my SLR. I don't like to dance disco just because someone likes it, I got into tango club and will dance tango only
If an identical model were available without video and without LiveView, would you pay $100 more for it?
Alternatively asked: If they were going to make a model for "you anti video" guys, should they also take out LiveView?
p.8 #9 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Breitling65 wrote:
Why wouldn't this magical another department improve camcorders and sale to include better photo abilities in camcorders? I don't care if video exist or not exist in my slr. I prefer not, same as direct print or fully automatic mode etc in my SLR. I don't like to dance disco just because someone likes it, I got into tango club and will dance tango only
Because to add still capabilities to a camcorder that would be similar to a dslr would require the addition of significant technology. Adding video to a dslr requires very minimal new technology. Dslr sensors are bigger and just require pixel binning or some other method to get video res. Getting 18mp out of a 2/3" 4mp sensor is hard and looks like a bad PS camera.
They obviously could've put IS in the 24-70 and decided not to do it for whatever reason. It most certainly isn't because of a lack of R&D resources caused by the rise of video features in DSLR.
p.8 #10 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
AJSJones wrote:
If an identical model were available without video and without LiveView, would you pay $100 more for it?
Alternatively asked: If they were going to make a model for "you anti video" guys, should they also take out LiveView?
I like liveview since it helps with shooting landscapes for me, but I would prefer to stay away of LCD screens as on T4. Again not extrimely against of video, just no use and will never have any use. iphone does it perfectly and it is in my pocket.
p.8 #11 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
chez wrote:
Yes, but let's put that poll into a video forum also...not strictly a still photography geared forum. There are many video photographers buying 5D2/3 just for the video...and they probably don't want the still features of the camera.
OP asked on this forum, no interest to see video forums same as no interest to see videos made by amateurs and pro less video takers as myself I like photos made with SLR and as many here would like to stay in this particular interest.
p.8 #12 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
jctriguy wrote:
Because to add still capabilities to a camcorder that would be similar to a dslr would require the addition of significant technology. Adding video to a dslr requires very minimal new technology. Dslr sensors are bigger and just require pixel binning or some other method to get video res. Getting 18mp out of a 2/3" 4mp sensor is hard and looks like a bad PS camera.
They obviously could've put IS in the 24-70 and decided not to do it for whatever reason. It most certainly isn't because of a lack of R&D resources caused by the rise of video features in DSLR....Show more →
Whatever they could do and they are actually did in latest video cameras and lenses. I am sure real video pro takers could take great video with them. Everything cost something and it is not cost free to include video into slr as well as releasing updates related to the video options.
I believe real reasons of including video is to get lot more new customers from PS sigment and to get returns from dead slow camcorders sale since same people could do both video related research and implementation.
p.8 #13 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Sorry, I haven't read all 8 pages of the thread, but I was wondering a couple things:
1) Is the addition of video to DSLRs like the 5D2 expensive or actually cheaper? Bear with me on this point. The relatively cheap P&S cams have video and the Rebel series DSLRs have it, so it can't be that expensive, right? So if Canon decided that this "cheap" addition would cost very little and they could sell many more units to videographers, than perhaps the overall cost of the 5D2 was actually cheaper per unit with it than without it. Just hypothesizing.
2) Adding video created a whole new world of users and marketing opportunities for Canon. Maybe it was worth it to them to develop the DSLR into a "multi-function" tool. The publicity from SNL, Transformers, etc. may have made it one of the most cost-effective features they've ever added. New users not only means DSLR sales, but lens sales as well. Veteran photographers with their stable of lenses are probably not as important to Canon as a new DSLR user with lots of cash (i.e. pro videographers) and the need for the best lenses.
If this makes no sense, then sorry to waste your time - just thinking out loud.
p.8 #14 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Micky Bill wrote:
Frankly I think the whole video DSLR thing caught Canon by surprise, or there would've been tons of hype at the beginning. I think some engineer at Canon saw live view and realized the same technology could record high quality video. They had no clue the movie industy would go koo koo over the video feature and that it would open doors for a lot of other photographers.
Once Vincent Laforet did his "worlds longest perfume commercial" all sorts of people decided to take notice.
OTOH IS in lenses is something that is thought about by the marketing people, one day IS will be in the bodies and I hope that there ain't much complaining......Show more →
I think that is true. I think Canon was almost insanely myopic about it not even realizing that people would want M mode for video!?!!?! So it totally caught them by surprise. To the extent that is was almost disturbing though, I still wonder who it is they use as early testers and what sorts are in their management to not realize such basic things.
But now they do really, REALLY realize it, which is also bad. Because now they have market segments and crippled and let marketing go so stupid with it all that they realize it so much that marketing has now seriously hurt their utter domination and take over this market. Also a little disturbing. But oh well.
Anyway it's hear to say, personally I'm glad for it. Sometimes video is simply much better for some things than stills and to be able to get 35mm-ish like quality built-into your SLR, come on! Sweet stuff. Just wish they'd uncripple it so it was more usable though (zebra, peaking, zoom box live during filming, cropped modes, more bps for the main codec, clean hdmi out, etc.).
p.8 #15 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Useless to me, when I can pick up a decent video cam inexpensively that has AF even when zooming. And the ergonomics are much better than trying to video with a DSLR.
p.8 #16 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
harrygilbert wrote:
Useless to me, when I can pick up a decent video cam inexpensively that has AF even when zooming. And the ergonomics are much better than trying to video with a DSLR.
Right, interesting that normal opinion like this causing some irritation from video lovers. They want us to love what they like! It cost nothing and we must love it ...
p.8 #17 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Thread's still going?
1. Video in DSLR is just an extension of LV. An extra button and menu.
2. It's not the same as camcorder in terms of controls. Camcorder is the video equivalent of P&S whereas DSLR video is more like the cameras that professional use, hence the runaway success among amateur and semi pro videographers.
Two very important points that I think people ignore for whatever reason.
One can argue that landscape shooters don't need the greatest AF but I don't hear anyone whinging about Canon upgrading their camera's AF because the cost of R&D would make them more expensive.
p.8 #20 · How important is video in a DSLR to you ?
Not only will I never want video in one of my cameras, but I have to wonder if the technology required for video actually degrades my still images? I couldn't be more pleased to pick up my 1Ds2 or 1D2n and hold the viewfinder up to my right eye.
Besides photographers for years are asking for many other important for us items and instead we are getting video ....
Because now they have market segments and crippled and let marketing go so stupid with it all that they realize it so much that marketing has now seriously hurt their utter domination and take over this market. Also a little disturbing. But oh well.