Honestly, I don't see how your pics added much to the wedding portfolio. I like #4, which seems like a reasonable opportunity and a slightly different viewpoint. I don't know how much I like #2 as you are in that realm of not knowing which way to look; "he looks one way and she looks in another direction", which happens with more than one shooter. Your cake shots added nothing new. Shooting thru the heads of the seated guests in church does nothing for me. Maybe, this is what you wanted to hear? Seems like you are a wee bit overbearing, perhaps, in your enthusiasm, bringing yourself into this wedding like you did.
I went to a friends wedding as a guest a few years ago. His daughter got married. I left my cameras at home because I respected the pro photographer. I did not want to get into his and his wife's way. I did not want to waste the time of the bride, nor interfere with the two pro's getting what they needed. I am glad that I did that. Maybe, it was a different kind of wedding.
WNStudio wrote:
It all depends what is your attitude- there's nothing wrong with "bobbing" as long as you stay out of the way. If you like it- go for it. Me personally leave my gear at home at such opportunities to just have fun- not many of'em recently
Your set is very good, I guess sometimes staying out of the way opens new possibilities. 5dc did a good job actually at such a high iso.
Thanks for feedback! Yeah RE: 5Dc I am finding that Canon's newer models are a bit better at keeping the file integrity at the very high ISO's with the pushing, but yeah it did quite well for a 7 year old camera!
bpmandfps wrote:
If you were my friend and shot these photos at my wedding I would be happy. I like that you didn't process out the grain.
I have a photographer friend who is getting married later this year and she asked me to bring my camera for some snaps (she is hiring a photographer). I hope my images are as good as yours. except neither the church nor reception location will be as grand as the locations in your photos. I am not pro, just hobbyist. And I learned the Uncle Bob term from this post.
cheers
Thanks for the feedback! haha glad you now know the term Uncle Bob! One useful thing I found was to not photograph the people during when the formals are on, because even if you are shooting over the shoulder of the Pro, some people still will look at your camera despite it being obvious who they should be looking at
williamkazak wrote:
Honestly, I don't see how your pics added much to the wedding portfolio. I like #4, which seems like a reasonable opportunity and a slightly different viewpoint. I don't know how much I like #2 as you are in that realm of not knowing which way to look; "he looks one way and she looks in another direction", which happens with more than one shooter. Your cake shots added nothing new. Shooting thru the heads of the seated guests in church does nothing for me. Maybe, this is what you wanted to hear? Seems like you are a wee bit overbearing, perhaps, in your enthusiasm, bringing yourself into this wedding like you did.
I went to a friends wedding as a guest a few years ago. His daughter got married. I left my cameras at home because I respected the pro photographer. I did not want to get into his and his wife's way. I did not want to waste the time of the bride, nor interfere with the two pro's getting what they needed. I am glad that I did that. Maybe, it was a different kind of wedding....Show more →
Thanks for feedback I understand your viewpoint! One of my other motivations of bringing my gear is to be a "backup" - just incase the Pro's stuff it up or something, I have a set as a last resort type of thing, but I see what you are saying
RE: Photo 2, this was just bride and Father of bride walking down the aisle, so I think the bride was just looking around at the guests, whereas the dad was looking down the aisle - looking straight ahead would have been better but the worst is when the brides look down the whole time I found
1st bad thing: if they are in your shots, you are probably in theirs too.
2nd: Of course it is hard to guess value, without seeing main's coverage, but most probably you didn't added value to the booked photographer because you decreased value of their photos for the couple and i didnt found anything which would be so unique and overlooked by the main.
3rd: UBing is wrong, whatever justification you use.
well think about why you would do it. It answers yours questions.
is because of YOUr desire to take some snaps of bride, play with YOUr camera in exciting environment or, even worse, try lot of YOUr ideas how wedding shot should be done, and show her YOUr photos to her earlier before main photographer can so she is not that surprised? Or is it because YOU look better with camera on eye then laughing and showing happiness or even picking sad bride out to dance?
Or is it because BRIDE asked you to do it, because SHE wants your vision of her day, and because SHE is sure that you wont disturb or even make sad and demotivated HER main photographer for which SHE paid to do his job?
Whatever you, uncle bobs, small or big, do to disturb the main photographer and make the wedding worse then it would be without you snapping and clicking, will not hit evil photographer's bottom line, but it will damage the one, who invited you to the wedding - the wedding couple.
My main purposes (I think) would be (in no particular order)
1. Try out a new body
2. Work on things I can't normally do
3. Try out a new lens
4. Try a new film (or pushing/pulling/rating) etc.
5. Get pretty pictures of my wife, who doesn't be the chance to dress up that often.
Saying that, I would never get in the way of guests, the wedding party, or any of the vendors. I'd speak to the photographer before I shoot at all to get his okay. I wouldn't piggyback on any of the main photographer set up shots (I don't see the point anyway). And if I got something good I'd send it to the bride. I'm also not the type to always have a camera to my eye (especially seeing that I'm using a waist level much of the time )... And I do think I look cool with an f3 or a c330 hanging around my neck .
I guess the question would be is: am I making the wedding nicer/more enjoyable for the bride/groom/guests. I think I would be. Not immensely so, but better than if I weren't there (my good looks and dancing skills help there also )
yes, you are missing all what i said.
you listed all things you want to do, and all are YOU related. It is THEIR day.
1. dont, it is a wedding, not camera store
2. dont, just
3. dont, huh
4. dont, it is not a workshop
5. Ask photog to make lovely pics of you two. Then pay your wife nice make up artist for 50Eur and make her private photoshoot. Or do it on a way to the wedding if you saving are for the new lens. She will appreciate it even more.
most enjoyable you will make it, with your presence, physical AND mental, when you will look for opportunities to bring fun and make then happy instead of trying to push a film with new lens on new body on things you dont normally do.
Kittyk wrote:
yes, you are missing all what i said.
you listed all things you want to do, and all are YOU related. It is THEIR day.
1. dont, it is a wedding, not camera store
2. dont, just
3. dont, huh
4. dont, it is not a workshop
5. Ask photog to make lovely pics of you two. Then pay your wife nice make up artist for 50Eur and make her private photoshoot. Or do it on a way to the wedding if you saving are for the new lens. She will appreciate it even more.
most enjoyable you will make it, with your presence, physical AND mental, when you will look for opportunities to bring fun and make then happy instead of trying to push a film with new lens on new body on things you dont normally do....Show more →
The thing is I go almost everywhere with my camera. I'm not "using" the wedding so to say. It's another event I'm going to and I like recording my life. I'm not going to lie and say I'm doing it for the bride. If I were I'd have her pay me or do it as a gift if we were really close AND I was the main photog (or officially seconding).
I'm not really in the mood for arguing (actually I am, but not for bad feeling sit sometimes garners). Why do I need a workshop or camera store to try out new toys? Again, I'm not going to be whipping out my camera when the bride comes down the aisle or kisses. I'll be sitting nicely in my seat, watching, texting, making snide comments about guests to my wife, daydreaming, or nodding off. But when we are milling around etc. I really don't see the issue. I'm not going to be flashing, just clicking...
I never take my camera anywhere. If I want to take a photo I just use my crappy cell phone. I have never taken my camera to a wedding, ever. I'm not Uncle Bob. I would rather be a party crasher, not the nerd with the camera.
i think this is a fundamental difference between how the majority of wedding photographer and I approach a wedding day.
i view a wedding day as every guest's day, not just THEIR (the couple's) day....as a family event. every person invited to the wedding has a unique tie to the bride and/or groom, therefore, each person will experience a different feeling during the course of the day. i think this is why the majority of my favorite shots are not really 'brideandgroomcentric'.
this is why uncle bobs never bother me and why i pay them almost no attention (except for very friendly exchanges). 'uncle' might have changed the brides diaper when she was a child. 'uncle' might have taken the groom to the hospital after the grooms motorcycle accident. if taking snaps of the couple makes their day, rock on!
interestingly enough, the only person that has ever ruined one of my shots has been a paid professional (videographer).
i think much of the disdain toward bobs stems from insecurity.
I am so thread hijacking here, and I'm sorry. This is the last wedding I "Uncle Bobbed". I shot one roll, and spent most of the time having fun (which includes, for me, taking pictures).
As you can see, I'm not doing "wedding photography" I'm just a dude taking some photos.
Marti 1. I see you write pretty often that you shoot low end because you can't justify the price increase and 2. You never take your camera anywhere. Maybe if you enjoyed shooting more and experimenting when not on the job you might up your ante, charge more and get rid of low-end-budget-woes...
And Chuck, I think I look ridiculously hip with my cameras
canerino wrote:
i think this is a fundamental difference between how the majority of wedding photographer and I approach a wedding day.
i view a wedding day as every guest's day, not just THEIR (the couple's) day....as a family event. every person invited to the wedding has a unique tie to the bride and/or groom, therefore, each person will experience a different feeling during the course of the day. i think this is why the majority of my favorite shots are not really 'brideandgroomcentric'.
tell that to the sad brides, who wants their day to be their day and it gets ruined only because some guests think it is about them. you are not a woman, are you?
if i would want a party for a guests and make it a guests day, i would make a party and tell them i am throwing a party for all the guests and will be watching them having fun, never mind me, the bride in the back.
wedding is a bride's day. the more distant you are from this fact, the more distant you are to (most probably also your average) wedding customer. period.
when the day is over, you, as the couple, want more from it, then being happy that you provided (and paid for) lot of noobographer's opportunity to master their art of snapshots
besides, always keep in mind, that not every invited guest on the wedding is bride's favorite. many are invited from political reasons, as attachments to important persons, or for any other reasons. you can be damn sure, that bride will always want to be center of it, then having it every random guest's party day.
zalmyb wrote:
I am so thread hijacking here, and I'm sorry. This is the last wedding I "Uncle Bobbed". I shot one roll, and spent most of the time having fun (which includes, for me, taking pictures).
As you can see, I'm not doing "wedding photography" I'm just a dude taking some photos.
Marti 1. I see you write pretty often that you shoot low end because you can't justify the price increase and 2. You never take your camera anywhere. Maybe if you enjoyed shooting more and experimenting when not on the job you might up your ante, charge more and get rid of low-end-budget-woes...
And Chuck, I think I look ridiculously hip with my cameras ...Show more →
.....wow, you could tell all of that ? You should not be a photographer but a fortune teller........uncle bob.
Lol, I'm actually known to "uncle bob" at this local psychic. I'm not the pro, but sometimes if I feel something extra karmic I'll let the client know (or use it to build my psychic portfolio).
canerino wrote:
i think this is a fundamental difference between how the majority of wedding photographer and I approach a wedding day.
i view a wedding day as every guest's day, not just THEIR (the couple's) day....as a family event. every person invited to the wedding has a unique tie to the bride and/or groom, therefore, each person will experience a different feeling during the course of the day. i think this is why the majority of my favorite shots are not really 'brideandgroomcentric'.
this is why uncle bobs never bother me and why i pay them almost no attention (except for very friendly exchanges). 'uncle' might have changed the brides diaper when she was a child. 'uncle' might have taken the groom to the hospital after the grooms motorcycle accident. if taking snaps of the couple makes their day, rock on!
interestingly enough, the only person that has ever ruined one of my shots has been a paid professional (videographer).
i think much of the disdain toward bobs stems from insecurity. ...Show more →
Uhhhh, no...it's from seeing some really disrespectful uncle bobs make a spectacle out of their behavior that just ruined a guests attendance. And knowing that the photos that were taken were not going to go anywhere but uncle bobs old tired pc for his own selfish purposes.
zalmyb wrote:
Lol, I'm actually known to "uncle bob" at this local psychic. I'm not the pro, but sometimes if I feel something extra karmic I'll let the client know (or use it to build my psychic portfolio).
So do you ever "socialize" without your camera ? I mean to just enjoy an event without thinking about taking photos ? Seems obsessive don't ya think ? It's like an alcoholic who can't live without taking a drink.
I have actually asked uncle bobs at weddings what they were going to do with their photos and the usual responses I get " I don't know" and "Oh probably just erase em later on"...........duhhhhhhhhhhhh........
.....wow, you could tell all of that ? You should not be a photographer but a fortune teller........uncle bob.