D. Diggler wrote:
It doesn't sound like you work very hard if you have time for idle chit-chat. Lazy AND selfish.
... wow. Name calling now...Is it honestly that hard for adults to disagree yet remain civil? Why? Why would you resort to name calling? So he does things different from you... Why can't people just agree to disagree and move on..? Why get dirty or disrespectful? My initial comment about egos wasn't directed at anyone in particular, and I've taken great pains to make sure that my comments have stayed civil, respectful, and my thinking remain open minded.
... I don't get it at all. We're all never going agree about everything; that's life. How we handle these difference in opinions though, that's what shows who we really are... How are you comfortable calling a complete stranger "lazy and selfish"..??
... Be well, take care... I don't think there's much more to be said here.
Kittyk wrote:
i don't even have time for that. Gear talks with amateurs is the worst kind of chat i can imagine anyway
D. Diggler wrote:
I don't want amateurs talking to me about gear when I'm working. One thing I do discourage that is to black out the brands on my cameras. This way I don't get any pesky Uncle Bobs or other amateurs approaching me with, "Say ... I have a Nikon, too, blah blah blah". Don't have the time for them and it's just a distraction.
Dawei Ye wrote:
To be honest, when I'm working generally I'm the one who seeks out the amateurs to discuss gear with them. They tend to give me a worried look.
Kittyk wrote:
lol, then go to local photog monthly meeting. Was there once. 6 guys in their 30ties-60ties. Was awesome discussion to find out that somebody claiming he was shooting since his dad was born didn't know what really aperture does. 4 others, all "serious amateurs" spend rest of my dinner time (before i left) bashing film and saying that two stops pushed 3200er film is not 12800 eq. then i left them, ignoring the "silly girlie" look on their faces.
Kitty, the point I was trying to convey is that relationship building and networking is very important. I'm in the corporate sector during my day job, and every event is an opportunity for relationship building and further business.
People like diggler seem to think that being a professional photographer puts him a million steps above the "peons" like amateurs and Uncle Bobs, but to me that smells of elitism and unprofessionalism. Instead of complaining and whinging about them constantly as Diggler has done, why can't they be engaged and communicated with.
I daresay Diggler's missing out on a lot of brownie points and referrals for his lack of interpersonal skills and lack of interactional intelligence. Providing a service to a customer should be multi faceted and include friendly, cooperative and cordial engagement with other stakeholders of the wedding process, including guests and other vendors.
I accept Bobs are a reality, put in some risk management procedures (e.g. 2nd shooter, clear communication etc.) and get on with the job. Will I get pissed if Bobs ruin my shot? Yes. But that's the lack of situational awareness of that one Bob, not the fault of every single amateur and Uncle Bob out there.
Kittyk wrote:
not during wedding. i have a job to do
Well then, I say thank God for photographers like Chuck who manage to interact with the 'amateurs', and still get the job done (very well, I might add)... So I guess it 'is' possible to do a phenomenal job in spite of those pesky uncle Bobs.
Dawei Ye, I think it might be best to leave things be right about now... I don't think there's any point you could make (regardless of how valid it might be) that would resonate or help your argument... For that to happen, the other party would have to be willing to actually listen to and consider what you're saying, and I think its pretty obvious that that is not the case here.
There are photographers who think like Kittyk, and there are photographers who think like Chuck.. To each his own.
I really don't care if there are uncle bobs at the wedding. If they are interfering I just try to do my job the best that I can. If they are in the background or in shots, so be it. If the brides hates those shots and wants them removed, I offer her my normal editing rate..........or she can call those uncles on the phone and thank them and ask them for their photos. The ones that they have edited, put online and took the time to create a beautiful coffee table style album for her.
This way I don't get any pesky Uncle Bobs or other amateurs approaching me with, "Say ... I have a Nikon, too, blah blah blah". Don't have the time for them and it's just a distraction.
