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monie2078 wrote:
... Because its THEIR day,I shouldn't take my camera to capture images of my good friends' most important day? Wouldn't I take my camera to their birthday party or baby shower? Wouldn't I take my camera to their child's communion? I mean, as long as I don't get in the way of the hired photographer, WHAT is the problem exactly? Please, think very carefully about that answer...
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take a good look at the first photo Alan posted. Thats why. He got lucky, because he is skilled and bride will probably not complain about some missing shots. Sometimes, you are not that lucky. RUINING THE MOMENT is the word. Thats what they mostly do. For their crappy shots memorizing how they broke the moment for the bride. Sorry, you will get no acceptance for me.

You know why bride cries in second shot? Because minute ago she said to her father "why those UB dont let me enjoy my dance with you daddy", am i right Alan?



Jun 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM
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Kittyk wrote:
RUINING THE MOMENT is the word. Thats what they mostly do.



for you maybe. for me, they mostly chat me up about photography and offer me beer. perhaps a change in approach toward the bobs will pay off down the road?



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM
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[take a good look at the first photo Alan posted. Thats why. He got lucky, because he is skilled and bride will probably not complain about some missing shots. Sometimes, you are not that lucky. RUINING THE MOMENT is the word. Thats what they mostly do. For their crappy shots memorizing how they broke the moment for the bride. Sorry, you will get no acceptance for me.

You know why bride cries in second shot? Because minute ago she said to her father "why those UB dont let me enjoy my dance with you daddy", am i right Alan?


... .. :-) I smiled at that, Kitty, because I actually did hurry back to look at the picture in shock, before I realized you were kidding... lol. That would be wild though, wouldn't it?

Those men standing in that picture are inconsiderate; and if they had not brought their cameras, they would have have been distractions in some other way... I'm 100% with you when it comes to inconsiderate, selfish, people... 100%.

I was talking about the regular people who bring their cameras and know to stay out of the way... And I'm realizing as I type this, that I should probably have done a better job of explaining myself. I think my problem is with every single person holding a camera at a wedding (besides the hired photog, of course) being labeled an obstructive uncle Bob... Or the idea that if one truly wanted to celebrate wtih the bride and groom, they would leave their camera at home...



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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monie2078 wrote:
I'm sorry, if I sound a tad... confrontational. Its truly not my intention...

[Edited based on your response to Kitty]

Wedding photographers are under a tremendous amount of pressure to not only capture images of the wedding day, but also to create images above and beyond the capability of the average amateur. They are paid, sometimes handsomely, to capture moments that convey the emotions of the day. Often these moments are fleeting and require skill, timing and being in just the right spot to artfully compose the image and control the background.

Nothing is more frustrating to have everything come together for a special photo of a special moment than to have some oblivious jackass with a camera step in the way. When I was in the wedding photography business 25 years ago I dealt with this frequently. From what I have observed, it's now out of control.

You sound like you're the kind of guest who would be considerate of the photographer's needs and I always appreciated guests like you. I'd do whatever I could to accomodate so that you could capture your photo. Sadly, there's not nearly enough of you; there are far too many who don't know or worse, don't care.



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM
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for you maybe. for me, they mostly chat me up about photography and offer me beer. perhaps a change in approach toward the bobs will pay off down the road?


offering you beer? How that does work? Here, take a beer, bride's paying!

no, i mostly don't chat with them, they rarely approach me, and if they do, they offer some skilled help to dumb girl, like "dont shoot against the light" and sort of. I have nothing to chat there, really. Besides i don't even have time for that. Gear talks with amateurs is the worst kind of chat i can imagine anyway. I more enjoy more or less drunk guests trying to pick me up.



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM
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... .. :-) I smiled at that, Kitty, because I actually did hurry back to look at the picture in shock, before I realized you were kidding... lol. That would be wild though, wouldn't it?

Those men standing in that picture are inconsiderate; and if they had not brought their cameras, they would have have been distractions in some other way... I'm 100% with you when it comes to inconsiderate, selfish, people... 100%.

I was talking about the regular people who bring their cameras and know to stay out of the way... And I'm realizing as I type this, that I should
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based on my experience they would not be distraction other way, they would probably be bored sitting somewhere and sipping a beer. Good for me.
I don't scream against every guest with camera of course, but even those who take just few snaps here and there, tend to take them exactly in the moment where it is least welcome. Bride coming to church, first dance, kiss in church, group photo of parents, etc.



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM
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If that is true, you could have found a way to express the same ideas in a much less confrontational tone.

This forum is primarily (but not exclusively) a place for professional wedding photographers to swap information, ideas and sometimes cry in their beer. Don't be surprised if your finger wagging is not warmly received.

Wedding photographers are under a tremendous amount of pressure to not only capture images of the wedding day, but also to create images above and beyond the capability of the average amateur. They are paid, sometimes handsomely, to capture moments that convey the emotions of the
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Ah... well said.. But all of that said, shouldn't the indignation be directed at JUST the people who do this, instead of everyone who happens to be holding a camera at a wedding? I mean, HOW can anyone say "you should be there to enjoy the wedding, not shoot it"... I mean.. how practical is that?

I saw a post on the People's forum a year or so ago, and a photographer had been hired to document someone's kid's first day at school. He (the hired photog) got a picture of the the little boy walking in the door, and of course, captured other parents taking pictures of their own kids.There were actually comments about how sad it was that parents were taking pictures of their kids instead of "enjoying the day with them"... Really?

I mean, where do we draw the line here? Why buy cameras at all, then? And lets all be honest with ourselves.. Unless you're some huge celebrity or socialite who's putting people on your guest list simply because you can, a bride and groom usually invite their really good friends... Friends they care about, and friends who they would like to share that day with them... How can we begrudge these people from wanting to capture these memories?

I also think a lot of photographers have done this for so long that they've forgotten that not everyone attends weddings as often as they do. Sometimes, all that obstructive uncle bob needs is a reminder that they're in the way. A tap on the shoulder, a quick word... I mean, its a wedding.. Of course they're excited... They see all your equipment; they know you were hired by the Bride and Groom, and I have no doubt that 80% of these people would move if asked... they just forget. The other 20% are jackasses, and like I said, would usually end up being a distraction in some way, anyway.

To a wedding photographer, a wedding ceremony is work... To the guests, its a party... You'd have to see the difference in priorities/perspectives, right? I'm just saying that a little attitude adjustment could go a long way. I'm not accusing anyone of being rude or anything like that; I'm just asking that you consider the possiblitity that a lot of these people aren't there to make your jobs harder. Some of them are excited because they haven't seen the bride and groom in forever.. Some have flown in from other states/countries.. Some haven't seen other friends/family for a while... They're just in a happy, excited, party-time state of mind...



Jun 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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I haven't been to a wedding since we started our business, but in the past, it was 50/50 as to whether or not I'd bring a camera. We'll be attending a wedding as a guest next summer, and I'm not planning on bringing anything unless I happen to have an X100 by then. Definitely not bringing a DSLR.


Jun 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM
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Kittyk wrote:
You know why bride cries in second shot? Because minute ago she said to her father "why those UB dont let me enjoy my dance with you daddy", am i right Alan?




No, she was crying because her Uncle Bob was unconscious after I elbowed him in the head.



Jun 11, 2012 at 01:08 PM
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BTW, those photos are from a pretty extreme case, but probably something that most of us have had to deal with at one point or another. I figure if I can deal with that then I can pretty much deal with anything. I do admit to staring a few Bob's down. They tend you get the hint at that point.


Jun 11, 2012 at 01:11 PM
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monie2078 wrote:
I mean, where do we draw the line here?

That's an excellent question! Let me know when you find the answer!

Because of the way I am, there's a difference between capturing the moment and living the moment. As I've gotten older, I'm more interested in living the moment. My younger son loves photography which for him is primarily FPJ, but has found his DSLR cumbersome and sometimes in the way. He's going to a Micro 4/3 system, something he can have nearby or in his pocket that will allow him to easily grab an image in the process of living.

Again, I didn't have, nor now have any problem with folks bringing cameras to weddings, as long as they don't disrupt fellow guests or get in the way of the professional.



Jun 11, 2012 at 01:20 PM
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No, she was crying because her Uncle Bob was unconscious after I elbowed him in the head.

well played sir, i can live with that sacrifice for a good cause, at this point i would congratulate you to follow the "anything for a shot" motivation



maxwell1295 wrote:
BTW, those photos are from a pretty extreme case, but probably something that most of us have had to deal with at one point or another. I figure if I can deal with that then I can pretty much deal with anything. I do admit to staring a few Bob's down. They tend you get the hint at that point.


yes i can deal with it, but i wish i dont have to. I dont understand why people still talk to me like i am leaving weddings where there are guests with cameras. i just wish weddings without guest cameras and inform the couple about it, as well as bestmen and bride maids if is see them during ceremony.
It is just that i dont have approach "it is sometimes bad, sometimes ok", i want every wedding perfect for the couple. I act like every wedding is my first and last wedding. Most of you probably say "screw, it, next time it will be better" but at that point, you already are probably sad or even angry.



Jun 11, 2012 at 01:25 PM
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Kittyk wrote:
i don't even have time for that. Gear talks with amateurs is the worst kind of chat i can imagine anyway


I don't want amateurs talking to me about gear when I'm working. One thing I do discourage that is to black out the brands on my cameras. This way I don't get any pesky Uncle Bobs or other amateurs approaching me with, "Say ... I have a Nikon, too, blah blah blah". Don't have the time for them and it's just a distraction.



Jun 11, 2012 at 10:51 PM
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Kittyk wrote:
i don't even have time for that. Gear talks with amateurs is the worst kind of chat i can imagine anyway

D. Diggler wrote:
I don't want amateurs talking to me about gear when I'm working. One thing I do discourage that is to black out the brands on my cameras. This way I don't get any pesky Uncle Bobs or other amateurs approaching me with, "Say ... I have a Nikon, too, blah blah blah". Don't have the time for them and it's just a distraction.


To be honest, when I'm working generally I'm the one who seeks out the amateurs to discuss gear with them. They tend to give me a worried look.



Jun 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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monie2078 wrote:
... Because its THEIR day,I shouldn't take my camera to capture images of my good friends' most important day? Wouldn't I take my camera to their birthday party or baby shower? Wouldn't I take my camera to their child's communion? I mean, as long as I don't get in the way of the hired photographer, WHAT is the problem exactly? Please, think very carefully about that answer... Am I an inconvenience to YOU, or do you just not like the idea that other people are there taking pictures? If its truly about the bride and groom, shouldn't your focus be
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Did your friends hire a photographer to capture the moments? Do they really want you in the background? As for egos, the paid pro is there because it's their job, if there is any ego trippin it's from the wannabees.



Jun 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM
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if there is any ego trippin it's from the wannabees.

True that.



Jun 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM
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... I see. So to you pros, the guests who are there to enjoy their friend's wedding are the wannabees because they brought their cameras with them?

OR

I'm the wannabee with the ego because ... ?


Uh huh. As long as it helps you guys feel better about the fact that you have no better rebuttal other than the overplayed, overused 'envy' as a motive.

A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.



Jun 12, 2012 at 03:05 PM
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teebat wrote:
Did your friends hire a photographer to capture the moments? Do they really want you in the background?


Obviously they don't give a rat's *** about being in the background of the pro's shots because they selfishly continue on with what they're doing.



Jun 12, 2012 at 03:14 PM
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Dawei Ye wrote:
when I'm working generally I'm the one who seeks out the amateurs to discuss gear with them


It doesn't sound like you work very hard if you have time for idle chit-chat. Lazy AND selfish.



Jun 12, 2012 at 03:16 PM
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Dawei Ye wrote:
To be honest, when I'm working generally I'm the one who seeks out the amateurs to discuss gear with them. They tend to give me a worried look.


lol, then go to local photog monthly meeting. Was there once. 6 guys in their 30ties-60ties. Was awesome discussion to find out that somebody claiming he was shooting since his dad was born didn't know what really aperture does. 4 others, all "serious amateurs" spend rest of my dinner time (before i left) bashing film and saying that two stops pushed 3200er film is not 12800 eq. then i left them, ignoring the "silly girlie" look on their faces.



Jun 12, 2012 at 03:28 PM
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